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[rant] how hot is enough??

[rant] how hot is enough??

2001-03-25 by Paul Schreiber

>
> So, before I end up buying a bunch of modules I can't use, exactly how hot
> (in audio terms) does a signal have to be??
>

It depends on the *module*.

The VCFs (410, 420, 440) can take "line level" inputs directly. Defined as
+4dBu, about 1.24V pk-pk as
I recall.

BUT....the signal generators in MOTM use 10V pk-pk, or around +22dBu.

SO......in the case of the *410 only*, there is an optional padding
resistor. If you are using it as a stand-alone
filter for non-MOTM applications, leave it out. For jamming VCOs into it,
put it in.

For the whiners: if you want to do both, then PUT IT IN AND DRIVE IT FROM AN
AMPLIFIER! See how
*easy* that was :( See how *nice and convient* an line-to-MOTM amplier
is??!? See??!?!

The '440s and '420's,  SINCE THEY HAVE INPUT LEVEL POTS,  can be adjusted
for any level input.

Come on, people!

And please don't bitch about shortages on the list. All you have to do is
email me. Anytime anyone wants to
come over here and stuff 280,000 parts into little plastic bags, one by one,
be my guest. (1850 modules worth, approx.).

Sheeesh

Paul S.

Re: [motm] [rant] how hot is enough??

2001-03-25 by mark@indole.net

>> So, before I end up buying a bunch of modules I can't use, exactly how
>> hot (in audio terms) does a signal have to be??
>>
>
>It depends on the *module*.
>
>The VCFs (410, 420, 440) can take "line level" inputs directly. Defined as
>+4dBu, about 1.24V pk-pk as I recall.
>
>BUT....the signal generators in MOTM use 10V pk-pk, or around +22dBu.

Thank you.  That's all I asked.  I have several dozen inputs and outputs
that can handle +22dBu -- it's a typical maximum output for audio equipment.

>SO......in the case of the *410 only*, there is an optional padding
>resistor. If you are using it as a stand-alone
>filter for non-MOTM applications, leave it out. For jamming VCOs into it,
>put it in.
>
>For the whiners: if you want to do both, then PUT IT IN AND DRIVE IT FROM
>AN AMPLIFIER! See how *easy* that was :( See how *nice and convient* an
>>line-to-MOTM amplier is??!? See??!?!

I wasn't whining.  I was merely asking a specific question in response to
what seems to be contradictory information.  I received answers that lead
me to me to believe that a 410 built to be used with the rest of the system
(which is what anyone would want in a modular) might have needed a special
high-voltage pre-amp in order to be able to process external signals.

Apparently, that isn't true.

Yes, I realize that motm has a published specification of 10V p-p.  Yet,
everything else I own is specified in dBu.  Even after trying to look it up
in several books, I did not feel confident in trying to calculate one value
from the other.  So I asked the list for a better answer.

>The '440s and '420's,  SINCE THEY HAVE INPUT LEVEL POTS,  can be adjusted
>for any level input.
>
>Come on, people!

Yes, I can see that, but I'm not planning on buying a 440 or a 420.  Nor
does it tell me anything about their output levels.  Regardless, I am
planning on buying several other modules that have audio inputs and audio
outputs.  If the levels of the motm were as high as some people were
saying, then I wouldn't be able to use either the inputs or the outputs
with the rest of my equipment.  Luckily, these people were wrong.  Thank
you for clarifying such an important issue.

I'm no engineering genius, but come Monday morning, I know I could call
every manufacture in the Mix directory from api to Z-Systems, ask them the
maximum input and output levels of something they make, and as ignorant or
unnecessary as that might seem, not once will any of them SHOUT AT ME,
accuse me of ranting, or call me a whiner.  In the world of audio, where
are things are made to be connected to each other, it's considered a fairly
basic question.

So I apologize if I overreacted or offended anyone in any way.

Re: [motm] [rant] how hot is enough??

2001-03-25 by jwbarlow@aol.com

I see both points here. This issue has been dealt with several times on this 
list (in terms of both the preamp and the filters as external processing 
gear). Maybe someone can put together an authoritative faq and post it on the 
Yahoo! site or at the synthtech.com site. It might be worth it since, as you 
say, the two standards aren't cross referenced in many places and it can be 
quite confusing.

JB

In a message dated 3/25/2001 2:08:02 PM, mark@... writes:
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>Yes, I realize that motm has a published specification of 10V p-p.  Yet,
>everything else I own is specified in dBu.  Even after trying to look it
>up
>in several books, I did not feel confident in trying to calculate one value
>from the other.

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