Paul, once again not to sound like an ass, but I don't see the
point in bringing up Robert Rich. He might have different needs then
some of us do when it comes to our 650.
example:
I've always wanted a spectralis. On paper, that thing is truly bad ass. The reason I never bought one is because it is 'full' of 'features' that have yet to be implemented - and those missing features are well documented and are readily available to the public. Many people have purchased a spectralis knowing that there are 'features' that were advertised but do not exist. Some of those people have made wonderful music with that machine even though it doesn't work as advertised. Other people, like me, have decided to pass on it until certain promised features are actually there.
Back to Robert Rich & me. When I try to play the way I want to, my 650 craps out every time. At this point I'm so frustrated with it I hardly use it. I really don't care about Robert's success with his, all I can really say is, good for him.
I would not have purchased my 650 knowing that using 1 out of the 4 aux outs causes it to crash (among other things). It would have been nice if there was a published list of known bugs so I could have made an informed decision before purchasing it & then having to wait over a year to receive it. I think a constant appearance of used 650's on the market would probably hurt new sales at some point. So I would imagine that getting the OS updated would be a priority, especially since the 650 would be the heart in a lot of different systems (be it a synthtech modular, somebody else's modular, or possibly a studio full of vintage synths, or maybe for that special someone with a bunch of digital delays that have CV inputs on them [which I would imagine would be a lot of fun]).
-Jim
example:
I've always wanted a spectralis. On paper, that thing is truly bad ass. The reason I never bought one is because it is 'full' of 'features' that have yet to be implemented - and those missing features are well documented and are readily available to the public. Many people have purchased a spectralis knowing that there are 'features' that were advertised but do not exist. Some of those people have made wonderful music with that machine even though it doesn't work as advertised. Other people, like me, have decided to pass on it until certain promised features are actually there.
Back to Robert Rich & me. When I try to play the way I want to, my 650 craps out every time. At this point I'm so frustrated with it I hardly use it. I really don't care about Robert's success with his, all I can really say is, good for him.
I would not have purchased my 650 knowing that using 1 out of the 4 aux outs causes it to crash (among other things). It would have been nice if there was a published list of known bugs so I could have made an informed decision before purchasing it & then having to wait over a year to receive it. I think a constant appearance of used 650's on the market would probably hurt new sales at some point. So I would imagine that getting the OS updated would be a priority, especially since the 650 would be the heart in a lot of different systems (be it a synthtech modular, somebody else's modular, or possibly a studio full of vintage synths, or maybe for that special someone with a bunch of digital delays that have CV inputs on them [which I would imagine would be a lot of fun]).
-Jim
From: Paul Schreiber
To: ivancu@...; motm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:48:03 AM
Subject: Re: [motm] . Re: 650 OS Update?
> And all of this is a great example how one digital product can be a huge
> suck on developing new analog products.
>
Not in this case. I designed the hardware only. The SW issues have not
hampered the
development of *anything*.
I'm sure that when Jeffrey is able he will fix the issues. There is a LOT
going on inside that little 8051,
memory is at a premium and this is why new MOTM uPs are all 32-bit ARMs with
16X the speed and
memory capacity of the '650 uP.
The firmware can be upgraded over MIDI using the WinXP utility so when the
fix is available it's a quick
process. Those of you with Macs have a friend with a PC :)
Yes, there are known bug. But then again, Robert Rich has made 5 new CDs and
been on 3 live tours with
the V1.3 SW so it's not like it's totally unusable.
Paul S.