. Re: 650 OS Update?
2008-12-12 by ivancu@aol.com
And all of this is a great example how one digital product can be a huge suck on developing new analog products.
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. Re: 650 OS Update?
Re: [motm] . Re: 650 OS Update?
2008-12-12 by Paul Schreiber
> And all of this is a great example how one digital product can be a huge > suck on developing new analog products. > Not in this case. I designed the hardware only. The SW issues have not hampered the development of *anything*. I'm sure that when Jeffrey is able he will fix the issues. There is a LOT going on inside that little 8051, memory is at a premium and this is why new MOTM uPs are all 32-bit ARMs with 16X the speed and memory capacity of the '650 uP. The firmware can be upgraded over MIDI using the WinXP utility so when the fix is available it's a quick process. Those of you with Macs have a friend with a PC :) Yes, there are known bug. But then again, Robert Rich has made 5 new CDs and been on 3 live tours with the V1.3 SW so it's not like it's totally unusable. Paul S.
Re: [motm]650 - Lovingly, not Angrily
2008-12-12 by thomas white
"The firmware can be upgraded over MIDI using the WinXP utility so when the fix is available it's a quick process. Those of you with Macs have a friend with a PC :)" Or have bootcamp installed like I just did. It allows me to still use XP as normal (FPE files, 650 Update, Sony Acid software, etc) all on my nice aluminum Macbook Pro. I have also successfully used my 650 in several productions. I have just found it to demonstrate any of the few known issues when I am not writing a composition per say and am purposely plugging things in backwards (aka the theme and reason for having a large modular synth). I love my 650. But, I can;t think of any bad side to having reasons to love it more ;~) Thomas --- Paul Schreiber <synth1@...> wrote: > > And all of this is a great example how one digital > product can be a huge > > suck on developing new analog products. > > > > Not in this case. I designed the hardware only. The > SW issues have not > hampered the > development of *anything*. > > I'm sure that when Jeffrey is able he will fix the > issues. There is a LOT > going on inside that little 8051, > memory is at a premium and this is why new MOTM uPs > are all 32-bit ARMs with > 16X the speed and > memory capacity of the '650 uP. > > The firmware can be upgraded over MIDI using the > WinXP utility so when the > fix is available it's a quick > process. Those of you with Macs have a friend with a > PC :) > > Yes, there are known bug. But then again, Robert > Rich has made 5 new CDs and > been on 3 live tours with > the V1.3 SW so it's not like it's totally unusable. > > Paul S. > > Thomas White Natural Rhythm www.naturalrhythmmusic.com
Re: [motm] . Re: 650 OS Update?
2008-12-13 by Andre Majorel
On 2008-12-12 15:32 +0000, ivancu@... wrote: > And all of this is a great example how one digital product can > be a huge suck on developing new analog products. Or you could say it's a testament to the technical superiority of proprietary software. <g> -- Andr\ufffd Majorel <URL:http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/>
RE: [motm] . Re: 650 OS Update?
2008-12-13 by Greg James
You almost took the words right out of my mouth. What happens if Mr. McEachin gets hit by a bus? Or just decides that he's no longer amused with this stuff? At work we require *all* software to be put in escrow should the unforeseen occur. But that's no substitute for open software. I know this has been discussed before, but history has a way of repeating itself... And unfortunately the problems dont seem to go away... Unless something changes.
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-----Original Message----- From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andre Majorel Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:42 AM To: motm@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [motm] . Re: 650 OS Update? On 2008-12-12 15:32 +0000, ivancu@... wrote: > And all of this is a great example how one digital product can > be a huge suck on developing new analog products. Or you could say it's a testament to the technical superiority of proprietary software. <g> -- André Majorel <URL:http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/>
Re: [motm] . Re: 650 OS Update?
2008-12-13 by James Elliott
Paul, once again not to sound like an ass, but I don't see the
point in bringing up Robert Rich. He might have different needs then
some of us do when it comes to our 650.
example:
I've always wanted a spectralis. On paper, that thing is truly bad ass. The reason I never bought one is because it is 'full' of 'features' that have yet to be implemented - and those missing features are well documented and are readily available to the public. Many people have purchased a spectralis knowing that there are 'features' that were advertised but do not exist. Some of those people have made wonderful music with that machine even though it doesn't work as advertised. Other people, like me, have decided to pass on it until certain promised features are actually there.
Back to Robert Rich & me. When I try to play the way I want to, my 650 craps out every time. At this point I'm so frustrated with it I hardly use it. I really don't care about Robert's success with his, all I can really say is, good for him.
I would not have purchased my 650 knowing that using 1 out of the 4 aux outs causes it to crash (among other things). It would have been nice if there was a published list of known bugs so I could have made an informed decision before purchasing it & then having to wait over a year to receive it. I think a constant appearance of used 650's on the market would probably hurt new sales at some point. So I would imagine that getting the OS updated would be a priority, especially since the 650 would be the heart in a lot of different systems (be it a synthtech modular, somebody else's modular, or possibly a studio full of vintage synths, or maybe for that special someone with a bunch of digital delays that have CV inputs on them [which I would imagine would be a lot of fun]).
-Jim
example:
I've always wanted a spectralis. On paper, that thing is truly bad ass. The reason I never bought one is because it is 'full' of 'features' that have yet to be implemented - and those missing features are well documented and are readily available to the public. Many people have purchased a spectralis knowing that there are 'features' that were advertised but do not exist. Some of those people have made wonderful music with that machine even though it doesn't work as advertised. Other people, like me, have decided to pass on it until certain promised features are actually there.
Back to Robert Rich & me. When I try to play the way I want to, my 650 craps out every time. At this point I'm so frustrated with it I hardly use it. I really don't care about Robert's success with his, all I can really say is, good for him.
I would not have purchased my 650 knowing that using 1 out of the 4 aux outs causes it to crash (among other things). It would have been nice if there was a published list of known bugs so I could have made an informed decision before purchasing it & then having to wait over a year to receive it. I think a constant appearance of used 650's on the market would probably hurt new sales at some point. So I would imagine that getting the OS updated would be a priority, especially since the 650 would be the heart in a lot of different systems (be it a synthtech modular, somebody else's modular, or possibly a studio full of vintage synths, or maybe for that special someone with a bunch of digital delays that have CV inputs on them [which I would imagine would be a lot of fun]).
-Jim
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From: Paul Schreiber
To: ivancu@...; motm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:48:03 AM
Subject: Re: [motm] . Re: 650 OS Update?
> And all of this is a great example how one digital product can be a huge
> suck on developing new analog products.
>
Not in this case. I designed the hardware only. The SW issues have not
hampered the
development of *anything*.
I'm sure that when Jeffrey is able he will fix the issues. There is a LOT
going on inside that little 8051,
memory is at a premium and this is why new MOTM uPs are all 32-bit ARMs with
16X the speed and
memory capacity of the '650 uP.
The firmware can be upgraded over MIDI using the WinXP utility so when the
fix is available it's a quick
process. Those of you with Macs have a friend with a PC :)
Yes, there are known bug. But then again, Robert Rich has made 5 new CDs and
been on 3 live tours with
the V1.3 SW so it's not like it's totally unusable.
Paul S.
To: ivancu@...; motm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:48:03 AM
Subject: Re: [motm] . Re: 650 OS Update?
> And all of this is a great example how one digital product can be a huge
> suck on developing new analog products.
>
Not in this case. I designed the hardware only. The SW issues have not
hampered the
development of *anything*.
I'm sure that when Jeffrey is able he will fix the issues. There is a LOT
going on inside that little 8051,
memory is at a premium and this is why new MOTM uPs are all 32-bit ARMs with
16X the speed and
memory capacity of the '650 uP.
The firmware can be upgraded over MIDI using the WinXP utility so when the
fix is available it's a quick
process. Those of you with Macs have a friend with a PC :)
Yes, there are known bug. But then again, Robert Rich has made 5 new CDs and
been on 3 live tours with
the V1.3 SW so it's not like it's totally unusable.
Paul S.
Bridechamber - Scott Deyo
2008-12-13 by Greg James
Hear ye, hear ye! Whereas - I've made several purchases from Mr. Scott Deyo of MOTM format panels. And whereas: - Scott has been pleasant, prompt and professional in all such dealings. And whereas: - All panels delivered to me have been of the highest quality. And whereas: - Scott seems to anticipate and/or be open to sourcing panels and parts for many DIY projects. And whereas: - Most of these projects are really, really, really cool (like Haible, Blacet, Oakley, and CGS). Therefore, Let it be known to one and all that I nominate him to be a Stooge Nouveau (meant in the best sense possible)! Cheers Scott!
Re: [motm] Bridechamber - Scott Deyo
2008-12-13 by Tom Farrand
I will second that motion! Took a chance on a few panels to test. Very nicely done, first rate quality, timely service, and everything else one would want. Will I buy again? ABSOLUTELY! Peace. Tom Farrand
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On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Greg James <gjames@...> wrote: > > Hear ye, hear ye! > > > > Whereas - I've made several purchases from Mr. Scott Deyo of MOTM format panels. > > > > And whereas: - Scott has been pleasant, prompt and professional in all such dealings. > > > > And whereas: - All panels delivered to me have been of the highest quality. > > > > And whereas: - Scott seems to anticipate and/or be open to sourcing panels and parts for many DIY projects. > > > > And whereas: - Most of these projects are really, really, really cool (like Haible, Blacet, Oakley, and CGS). > > > > Therefore, Let it be known to one and all that I nominate him to be a Stooge Nouveau (meant in the best sense possible)! > > > > Cheers Scott! >
Re: [motm] . Re: 650 OS Update?
2008-12-13 by ivancu@aol.com
> Not in this case. I designed the hardware only. The SW issues have not > hampered the development of *anything*. I stand (or sit) corrected. Ivan
RE: [motm] . Re: 650 OS Update?
2008-12-13 by J.D. McEachin
At 10:06 AM 12/13/2008 -0500, Greg James wrote: >You almost took the words right out of my mouth. What happens if Mr. >McEachin gets hit by a bus? Since my wife really isn't prepared to sell or support any of Synthcom's products, I would want my good friend Neil to put the source code in the public domain. I think we talked about this about 10 years ago, but I should verify it's still cool with him. Until then, I'll make sure I look both ways when crossing the street. ;-) JDM
Re: Bridechamber - Scott Deyo
2008-12-13 by wjhall11
Will and I cast a yea vote here. Scott's been great - all has been very high quality - he's been generous and patient. Bill and Will --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Farrand" <mbedtom@...> wrote: > > I will second that motion! Took a chance on a few panels to test. > Very nicely done, first rate quality, timely service, and everything > else one would want. Will I buy again? ABSOLUTELY! > > Peace. > Tom Farrand > > > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Greg James <gjames@...> wrote: > > > > Hear ye, hear ye! > > > > > > > > Whereas - I've made several purchases from Mr. Scott Deyo of MOTM format panels. > > > > > > > > And whereas: - Scott has been pleasant, prompt and professional in all such dealings. > > > > > > > > And whereas: - All panels delivered to me have been of the highest quality. > > > > > > > > And whereas: - Scott seems to anticipate and/or be open to sourcing panels and parts for many DIY projects. > > > > > > > > And whereas: - Most of these projects are really, really, really cool (like Haible, Blacet, Oakley, and CGS). > > > > > > > > Therefore, Let it be known to one and all that I nominate him to be a Stooge Nouveau (meant in the best sense possible)!
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> > > > > > > > Cheers Scott! > > >