Korg Poly800/EX800 Users

>
> Hi HAWK-800 owners,
> 
> I have a question for you all.
> 
> I am about to put LFO/EG control of DCO harmonics into the HAWK-800. However, due to the reduced number of available parameters, I am thinking about combining the harmonics parameters into one parameter. That is, parameters 13 to 16 would all be combined into 13. And, parameters 23 to 26 would be combined into 23 also.
> 
> Then, parameters 13 and 23 would have available values 0 through 15. 1 through 15 would engage the DCO harmonics in a fixed manner using binary math to determine the actual engaged harmonics.
> 
> So the harmonics would be engaged as follows where X means the harmonic is ON:
> 
>      16' 8' 4' 2'
> 01 =           X
> 02 =        X
> 03 =        X  X
> 04 =     X
> 05 =     X     X
> 06 =     X  X
> 07 =     X  X  X
> 08 =  X
> 09 =  X        X
> 10 =  X     X
> 11 =  X     X  X
> 12 =  X  X
> 13 =  X  X     X
> 14 =  X  X  X
> 15 =  X  X  X  X
> 
> This arrangement provides a couple of advantages. First, it frees up the next three parameters for other purposes. Second, it allows MIDI and user parameter control of the harmonics in one parameter which will provide real time improvement over control of the harmonics.
> 
> Most important though, the next three parameters will be able to be used for new harmonic controls.
> 
> Parameter 14/24 will be the LFO or EG3 modulation selector.
> Parameter 15/25 will be the harmonic order selector.
> Parameter 16/26 will be the harmonic velocity sensitivity selector.
> 
> I'll go into the details of those later but right now, is everyone OK with dropping the single harmonic selector parameters and using a combined parameter for all four harmonics?
> 
> Mike.
>

On 5 Jul 2009, at 11:49 PM, korgpolyex800 wrote:

> Hi HAWK-800 owners,
>
> I have a question for you all.
>
> I am about to put LFO/EG control of DCO harmonics into the  
> HAWK-800. However, due to the reduced number of available  
> parameters, I am thinking about combining the harmonics parameters  
> into one parameter. That is, parameters 13 to 16 would all be  
> combined into 13. And, parameters 23 to 26 would be combined into  
> 23 also.
>
> Then, parameters 13 and 23 would have available values 0 through  
> 15. 1 through 15 would engage the DCO harmonics in a fixed manner  
> using binary math to determine the actual engaged harmonics.
>
> So the harmonics would be engaged as follows where X means the  
> harmonic is ON:
>
>      16' 8' 4' 2'
> 01 =           X
> 02 =        X
> 03 =        X  X
> 04 =     X
> 05 =     X     X
> 06 =     X  X
> 07 =     X  X  X
> 08 =  X
> 09 =  X        X
> 10 =  X     X
> 11 =  X     X  X
> 12 =  X  X
> 13 =  X  X     X
> 14 =  X  X  X
> 15 =  X  X  X  X
>
> This arrangement provides a couple of advantages. First, it frees  
> up the next three parameters for other purposes. Second, it allows  
> MIDI and user parameter control of the harmonics in one parameter  
> which will provide real time improvement over control of the  
> harmonics.
>
> Most important though, the next three parameters will be able to be  
> used for new harmonic controls.
>
> Parameter 14/24 will be the LFO or EG3 modulation selector.
> Parameter 15/25 will be the harmonic order selector.
> Parameter 16/26 will be the harmonic velocity sensitivity selector.
>
> I'll go into the details of those later but right now, is everyone  
> OK with dropping the single harmonic selector parameters and using  
> a combined parameter for all four harmonics?
>
> Mike.

On 5 Jul 2009, at 15:49, korgpolyex800 wrote:

> Hi HAWK-800 owners,
>
> I have a question for you all.
>
> I am about to put LFO/EG control of DCO harmonics into the HAWK-800.  
> However, due to the reduced number of available parameters, I am  
> thinking about combining the harmonics parameters into one  
> parameter. That is, parameters 13 to 16 would all be combined into  
> 13. And, parameters 23 to 26 would be combined into 23 also.
>
> Then, parameters 13 and 23 would have available values 0 through 15.  
> 1 through 15 would engage the DCO harmonics in a fixed manner using  
> binary math to determine the actual engaged harmonics.
>
> So the harmonics would be engaged as follows where X means the  
> harmonic is ON:
>
>     16' 8' 4' 2'
> 01 =           X
> 02 =        X
> 03 =        X  X
> 04 =     X
> 05 =     X     X
> 06 =     X  X
> 07 =     X  X  X
> 08 =  X
> 09 =  X        X
> 10 =  X     X
> 11 =  X     X  X
> 12 =  X  X
> 13 =  X  X     X
> 14 =  X  X  X
> 15 =  X  X  X  X
>
> This arrangement provides a couple of advantages. First, it frees up  
> the next three parameters for other purposes. Second, it allows MIDI  
> and user parameter control of the harmonics in one parameter which  
> will provide real time improvement over control of the harmonics.
>
> Most important though, the next three parameters will be able to be  
> used for new harmonic controls.
>
> Parameter 14/24 will be the LFO or EG3 modulation selector.
> Parameter 15/25 will be the harmonic order selector.
> Parameter 16/26 will be the harmonic velocity sensitivity selector.
>
> I'll go into the details of those later but right now, is everyone  
> OK with dropping the single harmonic selector parameters and using a  
> combined parameter for all four harmonics?
>
> Mike.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Daniel Forro

To: korgpolyex@...m

Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 1:16 PM

Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] question for HAWK-800 owners

Nice, just maybe this different order would be more easy to remember
and to use than yours purely binar:

16' 8' 4' 2'
08 = X
04 = X
02 = X
01 = X
12 = X X
10 = X X
09 = X X
06 = X X
05 = X X
03 = X X
14 = X X X
13 = X X X
11 = X X X
07 = X X X
15 = X X X X

I left your original numbers for comparison, but of course numbering
should go from 01 to 15 again.

Daniel Forro

On 5 Jul 2009, at 11:49 PM, korgpolyex800 wrote:

> Hi HAWK-800 owners,
>
> I have a question for you all.
>
> I am about to put LFO/EG control of DCO harmonics into the
> HAWK-800. However, due to the reduced number of available
> parameters, I am thinking about combining the harmonics parameters
> into one parameter. That is, parameters 13 to 16 would all be
> combined into 13. And, parameters 23 to 26 would be combined into
> 23 also.
>
> Then, parameters 13 and 23 would have available values 0 through
> 15. 1 through 15 would engage the DCO harmonics in a fixed manner
> using binary math to determine the actual engaged harmonics.
>
> So the harmonics would be engaged as follows where X means the
> harmonic is ON:
>
> 16' 8' 4' 2'
> 01 = X
> 02 = X
> 03 = X X
> 04 = X
> 05 = X X
> 06 = X X
> 07 = X X X
> 08 = X
> 09 = X X
> 10 = X X
> 11 = X X X
> 12 = X X
> 13 = X X X
> 14 = X X X
> 15 = X X X X
>
> This arrangement provides a couple of advantages. First, it frees
> up the next three parameters for other purposes. Second, it allows
> MIDI and user parameter control of the harmonics in one parameter
> which will provide real time improvement over control of the
> harmonics.
>
> Most important though, the next three parameters will be able to be
> used for new harmonic controls.
>
> Parameter 14/24 will be the LFO or EG3 modulation selector.
> Parameter 15/25 will be the harmonic order selector.
> Parameter 16/26 will be the harmonic velocity sensitivity selector.
>
> I'll go into the details of those later but right now, is everyone
> OK with dropping the single harmonic selector parameters and using
> a combined parameter for all four harmonics?
>
> Mike.

>
> Sorry if I am not getting this well, but would this allow combinations like this:
> 
> 16        8        4        2
> ON       OFF    OFF    ON
> ON       OFF    ON     ON
> OFF      ON     ON     OFF
> 
> where harmonics are not "incrementally" switched on? Settings like the above I have actually used for many patches (for instance, chossing a "square" wave and having only harmonics 16 & 2 on allows for some bell-like sounds).
> 
> BTW, I yet have to post a video and explanation about some very irrititating behavior my Poly has been experimenting recently (related to pitch). And I have been struggling with incomes and also rocketing US dollar exchange rates here in Argentina (1 dollar = 3.8 AR$; average salary being around 3K AR$) that have put a temporary gag on my plans to go Hawk 800. Hope to get my Poly fixed soon and then, soon, my Hawk.
> 
> thanks in advance
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Daniel Forro 
>   To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 1:16 PM
>   Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] question for HAWK-800 owners
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Nice, just maybe this different order would be more easy to remember 
>   and to use than yours purely binar:
> 
>   16' 8' 4' 2'
>   08 = X
>   04 = X
>   02 = X
>   01 = X
>   12 = X X
>   10 = X X
>   09 = X X
>   06 = X X
>   05 = X X
>   03 = X X
>   14 = X X X
>   13 = X X X
>   11 = X X X
>   07 = X X X
>   15 = X X X X
> 
>   I left your original numbers for comparison, but of course numbering 
>   should go from 01 to 15 again.
> 
>   Daniel Forro
> 
>   On 5 Jul 2009, at 11:49 PM, korgpolyex800 wrote:
> 
>   > Hi HAWK-800 owners,
>   >
>   > I have a question for you all.
>   >
>   > I am about to put LFO/EG control of DCO harmonics into the 
>   > HAWK-800. However, due to the reduced number of available 
>   > parameters, I am thinking about combining the harmonics parameters 
>   > into one parameter. That is, parameters 13 to 16 would all be 
>   > combined into 13. And, parameters 23 to 26 would be combined into 
>   > 23 also.
>   >
>   > Then, parameters 13 and 23 would have available values 0 through 
>   > 15. 1 through 15 would engage the DCO harmonics in a fixed manner 
>   > using binary math to determine the actual engaged harmonics.
>   >
>   > So the harmonics would be engaged as follows where X means the 
>   > harmonic is ON:
>   >
>   > 16' 8' 4' 2'
>   > 01 = X
>   > 02 = X
>   > 03 = X X
>   > 04 = X
>   > 05 = X X
>   > 06 = X X
>   > 07 = X X X
>   > 08 = X
>   > 09 = X X
>   > 10 = X X
>   > 11 = X X X
>   > 12 = X X
>   > 13 = X X X
>   > 14 = X X X
>   > 15 = X X X X
>   >
>   > This arrangement provides a couple of advantages. First, it frees 
>   > up the next three parameters for other purposes. Second, it allows 
>   > MIDI and user parameter control of the harmonics in one parameter 
>   > which will provide real time improvement over control of the 
>   > harmonics.
>   >
>   > Most important though, the next three parameters will be able to be 
>   > used for new harmonic controls.
>   >
>   > Parameter 14/24 will be the LFO or EG3 modulation selector.
>   > Parameter 15/25 will be the harmonic order selector.
>   > Parameter 16/26 will be the harmonic velocity sensitivity selector.
>   >
>   > I'll go into the details of those later but right now, is everyone 
>   > OK with dropping the single harmonic selector parameters and using 
>   > a combined parameter for all four harmonics?
>   >
>   > Mike.
>

On 6 Jul 2009, at 02:32, Michael Hawkins wrote:

>
>
> What if I provided a special MIDI CC that allowed the on/off per  
> harmonic function to be used even though the harmonics were  
> actually stored in one parameter?
>
> Mike.
>
> From: Alex Drinkwater <the_voder@...>
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2009 1:24:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] question for HAWK-800 owners
>
> I'm a bit resistant to this idea, I'm afraid. This is mainly because
> it makes it more difficult to edit the Poly/EX-800 from an external
> editor (like my Novation XStation, for example).
> It's relatively easy to setup a hardware control to send out the
> relevant control data, but the result of using that control makes no
> intuitive sense, and it's not possible to program useful feedback on
> what a given value actually means, on most hardware controllers. A
> simple serial of on/off buttons, on the other hand, are much easier to
> deal with.
>
> Just my initial feeling. I'd also say that if an LFO mapped to the
> harmonics is just going to turn the preset harmonics on and off
> (rather than fading them in and out smoothly), I'm not completely
> convinced I'd ever find a use for that particular functionality, to be
> honest.
>
> a\x
>
> On 5 Jul 2009, at 15:49, korgpolyex800 wrote:
>
> > Hi HAWK-800 owners,
> >
> > I have a question for you all.
> >
> > I am about to put LFO/EG control of DCO harmonics into the HAWK-800.
> > However, due to the reduced number of available parameters, I am
> > thinking about combining the harmonics parameters into one
> > parameter. That is, parameters 13 to 16 would all be combined into
> > 13. And, parameters 23 to 26 would be combined into 23 also.
> >
> > Then, parameters 13 and 23 would have available values 0 through 15.
> > 1 through 15 would engage the DCO harmonics in a fixed manner using
> > binary math to determine the actual engaged harmonics.
> >
> > So the harmonics would be engaged as follows where X means the
> > harmonic is ON:
> >
> > 16' 8' 4' 2'
> > 01 = X
> > 02 = X
> > 03 = X X
> > 04 = X
> > 05 = X X
> > 06 = X X
> > 07 = X X X
> > 08 = X
> > 09 = X X
> > 10 = X X
> > 11 = X X X
> > 12 = X X
> > 13 = X X X
> > 14 = X X X
> > 15 = X X X X
> >
> > This arrangement provides a couple of advantages. First, it frees up
> > the next three parameters for other purposes. Second, it allows MIDI
> > and user parameter control of the harmonics in one parameter which
> > will provide real time improvement over control of the harmonics.
> >
> > Most important though, the next three parameters will be able to be
> > used for new harmonic controls.
> >
> > Parameter 14/24 will be the LFO or EG3 modulation selector.
> > Parameter 15/25 will be the harmonic order selector.
> > Parameter 16/26 will be the harmonic velocity sensitivity selector.
> >
> > I'll go into the details of those later but right now, is everyone
> > OK with dropping the single harmonic selector parameters and using a
> > combined parameter for all four harmonics?
> >
> > Mike.
> >
> >
> >
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