EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

on 30/1/03 2:48 AM, exs-users@yahoogroups.com at exs-users@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

>> have you guys seen this thing?
>> 
>> http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?intakt_us
>> 
>> a Phatmatik Pro ripoff from NI... and by that I mean, it looks almost
>> EXACTLY the same down to the font. I'm thinking Art either sold them the
>> rights to Phat or is thinking of suing. loads REX2 files, yeehaw. I
> already
>> done spent my $ on Phatmatik Pro though... bla, I hope there's a
> crossgrade
>> offer.
> 
> I too wish I had waited, what a bummer.  Art may do a rex to phat convertor
> which should ease the pain a bit.   I bet Intakt works a damn-sight better
> than P-Pro which has tons of minor irritations and a couple of major ones.
> 
> Hector.
> 
Don't get bummed or excited just yet.
The NAMM presentation was just a Powerpoint display. Early days I would say.
Meanwhile pHatmaticPro and pHatFactory kick serious butt and they are
available right now. This little plug really changed the way I work.
Phil Buckle.

> Don't get bummed or excited just yet.
> The NAMM presentation was just a Powerpoint display. Early days I would say.
> Meanwhile pHatmaticPro and pHatFactory kick serious butt and they are
> available right now. This little plug really changed the way I work.
> Phil Buckle.

really? how do you keep it from crashing you every half hour?

I find it unusable at the moment.

teddybut

hey Ned,

sorry, I was talking about Phtamatik Pro (Mac OS 9.2.2) and you were talking
about Phatfactory. misunderstanding central.

teddybut

> Teddybut,
> 
> I don't remember if you're on Mac or PC, but on Mac, I can tell you I had
> no problems using pHATfactory (up to 8 instances) for hours without a
> crash. I'm using 9.2.2.
> 
> Ned
> 
> teddybut wrote:
>> how do you keep it from crashing you every half hour?
>> 
>> I find it unusable at the moment.

> For months I have not seen anything but raves about Phatmatic Pro.
> These even persuaded me to participate in the group buy.
> 
> Now somebody laments that a screen shot of a competing prodict looks
> a lot like PP and suddenly PP is slammed as a useless piece of crap.
> 
> Two words: Moderation, Decaf.
> 
> Bob Vandiver

ahem.... and.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz and
before you accuse me, have a look at yourself.

I have many issues with Phatmatik, that's why I wanted to help beta test it.

I haven't been generally sending my PhatmatikPro complaints here as there is
a Bitshift beta and non-beta forum for that.

I find Phatmatik Pro useless since I bought it for a few reasons that have
been documented to death here. It is a cool product and up until now was the
only thing that did what it does. It has bugs. I am not slamming Bitshift, I
am beta testing for them, trying to help them get it better for YOU, man. I
am not even lamenting. I am rallying the people who bought Phatmatik Pro
through this group buy we had to see if we might want to band together and
get some kind of group crossgrade from NI if and when INTAKT comes out.
that's all. I don't drink too much coffee. I am not being moderated.

teddybut

> This is for Teddybutt:    I use windows and LAP 5.5 -    P-pro always
> crashes when using the illuminated red slice display function, the one that
> makes them light up in sequence when played.  Try turning it off, if it was
> on.
> 
> 
> Hector.

Hi Hector and fellow lamentor : )

thanks for the suggestion. that doesn't help here.

for me the worst bug is the crash I get EVERY TIME I try to delete a slice.
That is what makes the product unusable at the moment for me.

The other weirdness with dragging midi to a track also sucks. Sometimes he
lets you put your midi in and sometimes he doesn't. who knows what will
happen.

anyway, this is for the bitshift forum. see ya there.

teddybut

> Sascha Franck wrote:
> 
>> 
>> FWIW, I know from quite some Logic/Mac users that they're having crashes
>> with PPro
> 
> As a Mac user PPro has been rock solid for me. Except at the beginning when I
> was just learning it and loaded in full length audio loop CD files containing
> multiple loops. It froze hard. The loops have to be trimmed before loading.
> Once I figured that out, it has been fine.
> 
> I haven't upgraded to LAMP 5.5 yet so am unaware of potential problems with
> them together. It works fine for me though in Logic 5.2
> 
> 
> --
> Eli Krantzberg

hmmmm. maybe this 5.5 is my problem. That would certainly bring it back on
topic.

I will try 5.3 PMP and report back.

teddybut

"the noise" wrote:

> one thing I've learnt with macs is that you have to be careful about getting
> worked up about buggy software because these things can be so machine
> specific. I too find PPro very reliable [even in 5.5] and the convenience
> when working with loops is hard to beat.
> 
> now if Art could sort the upgrade thing out I'd rather buy from him than
> INTAKT from NI with their "flog it too you and forget you" attitude [i.e.
> Dynamo, Battery, etc].
> 
> support the small fry! rather than just the corperate wilderbeasts!!
> 
> 
> enough already.

I wanted to support the small fry, that's why I bought it and am beta
testing it. Then again, if someone big comes out with a better product I am
will be all over it.

"enough already" always seems like something better thought than said, don't
you agree?

teddybut

>> Don't get bummed or excited just yet.
>> The NAMM presentation was just a Powerpoint display. Early days I 
>> would say.
>> Meanwhile pHatmaticPro and pHatFactory kick serious butt and they are
>> available right now. This little plug really changed the way I work.
>> Phil Buckle.
>
> really? how do you keep it from crashing you every half hour?

It is rock solid here. MacDP533/RME Multiface etc.
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on 1/2/03 3:17 AM, exs-users@yahoogroups.com at exs-users@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

>> Don't get bummed or excited just yet.
>> The NAMM presentation was just a Powerpoint display. Early days I would say.
>> Meanwhile pHatmaticPro and pHatFactory kick serious butt and they are
>> available right now. This little plug really changed the way I work.
>> Phil Buckle.
> 
> really? how do you keep it from crashing you every half hour?
> 
> I find it unusable at the moment.
> 
> teddybut
I'm using a Mac and pHatfactory and pHatmaticpro.
There is a problem for some of us if more than three PPro's are used. I get
around this by bouncing.
There was a problem using pHatfactory in a song with a pHatmatikpro but Art
fixed this and sent me a new version. It works perfectly now.
Yes,  Art can be a little brusque if your attitude is a little loose but I
put that down to a musician/programmer temperament and a very busy schedule.
He seems to be a very creative guy and has programmed some great sounding
loops for his own and other peoples products (Spectrasonics).
On the other hand I don't trust NI one little bit.
They stuck it to me with Battery and Dynamo and I won't be buying anything
from them  until I see a change in attitude and support.

About this pHatmatikpro issue.........I sometimes wonder if we don't get a
little to anal about how perfect something is. I mean if something keeps
crashing your system then......fair enough, you have a relevant gripe. But I
didn't even know that pHatmatikpro had these problems you guys are talking
about.
My loops are in time, my work flow has improved and I can do things with
loops I could never do before.
Are you guys working or obsessing over your tools?
BTW the file features you are looking for in pHatmatikpro are present in
pHatfactory and it's fabulous. This will of course be implemented in the
update of pHatmatikpro.
Phil Buckle.

What about the way PhatMatik cuts off the attacks of your drum 
hits?



--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Phil Buckle <pbuckle@o...> 
wrote:
> on 1/2/03 3:17 AM, exs-users@yahoogroups.com at 
exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> wrote:
> 
> >> Don't get bummed or excited just yet.
> >> The NAMM presentation was just a Powerpoint display. 
Early days I would say.
> >> Meanwhile pHatmaticPro and pHatFactory kick serious butt 
and they are
> >> available right now. This little plug really changed the way I 
work.
> >> Phil Buckle.
> > 
> > really? how do you keep it from crashing you every half hour?
> > 
> > I find it unusable at the moment.
> > 
> > teddybut
> I'm using a Mac and pHatfactory and pHatmaticpro.
> There is a problem for some of us if more than three PPro's 
are used. I get
> around this by bouncing.
> There was a problem using pHatfactory in a song with a 
pHatmatikpro but Art
> fixed this and sent me a new version. It works perfectly now.
> Yes,  Art can be a little brusque if your attitude is a little loose 
but I
> put that down to a musician/programmer temperament and a 
very busy schedule.
> He seems to be a very creative guy and has programmed 
some great sounding
> loops for his own and other peoples products (Spectrasonics).
> On the other hand I don't trust NI one little bit.
> They stuck it to me with Battery and Dynamo and I won't be 
buying anything
> from them  until I see a change in attitude and support.
> 
> About this pHatmatikpro issue.........I sometimes wonder if we 
don't get a
> little to anal about how perfect something is. I mean if 
something keeps
> crashing your system then......fair enough, you have a relevant 
gripe. But I
> didn't even know that pHatmatikpro had these problems you 
guys are talking
> about.
> My loops are in time, my work flow has improved and I can do 
things with
> loops I could never do before.
> Are you guys working or obsessing over your tools?
> BTW the file features you are looking for in pHatmatikpro are 
present in
> pHatfactory and it's fabulous. This will of course be 
implemented in the
> update of pHatmatikpro.
> Phil Buckle.

You're right... I've been following this thread from the start and 
was still uncertain if to post something or not...
Then I made up my mind... by using PhatMatik Pro...

This thing is not finished: the autoslice never works and cuts 
attacks very badly and fixing them is a very lenghty work... better 
going back to my Recycle 2 and EXS24 solution... a bit more time 
consuming but much more effective... The PP idea is gorgeous but they 
sold us a product with the promise of a quick update to 1.1 no less 
than 4 or 5 months ago... and this in my job means ages, can't even 
remember what I was doing then but I used PP a couple of times and 
from then on the Recylce/EXS solution worked best for me always even 
if my first try is for PP.. I am lazy guy... I paid too much for a 
software not finished... we should stop complaining the big companies 
when even the small developers are this "bad"... and they make more 
money than the BIG ones because they have less expenses and they 
still charge quite much for their software.

I don't want to be rude to anyone (not even to Art) but music biz is 
a small world and I think no one can afford to be so short sighted... 
what about some more infos on the bitshift site? an email? feel like 
I wasted completely my money for the first time in my life in a 
software product.

Talking about NI my experience with support has always been good and 
I own all of their packages (including sound libraries) apart the 
Tonewheels... but these are all personal views and somebody might (I 
think WILL) have a different thought about this whole thing... after 
all we are all Emagic users and I never liked their attitude towards 
users (support wise and with the PC abandoning policy and the 
response code thing going on forever even with the help of the 
italian distributor)... I am a Logic user coming from PC (version 2 
point something) and switched to Mac with version 4 in 2000 (actually 
bought another key and license)... now my PC is a happy expander 
(with Kontakt, Tassman, Gigastudio, Soundforge, Live, Acid 4 and...) 
with much more horse power than my DP 1 GHz Mac with the UAD1...

Simone Coen


--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "technodork_2000 
<technodork_2000@y...>" <technodork_2000@y...> wrote:
> What about the way PhatMatik cuts off the attacks of your drum 
> hits?
> 
> 
> 
> --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Phil Buckle <pbuckle@o...> 
> wrote:
> > on 1/2/03 3:17 AM, exs-users@yahoogroups.com at 
> exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> > wrote:
> > 
> > >> Don't get bummed or excited just yet.
> > >> The NAMM presentation was just a Powerpoint display. 
> Early days I would say.
> > >> Meanwhile pHatmaticPro and pHatFactory kick serious butt 
> and they are
> > >> available right now. This little plug really changed the way I 
> work.
> > >> Phil Buckle.
> > > 
> > > really? how do you keep it from crashing you every half hour?
> > > 
> > > I find it unusable at the moment.
> > > 
> > > teddybut
> > I'm using a Mac and pHatfactory and pHatmaticpro.
> > There is a problem for some of us if more than three PPro's 
> are used. I get
> > around this by bouncing.
> > There was a problem using pHatfactory in a song with a 
> pHatmatikpro but Art
> > fixed this and sent me a new version. It works perfectly now.
> > Yes,  Art can be a little brusque if your attitude is a little 
loose 

> but I
> > put that down to a musician/programmer temperament and a 
> very busy schedule.
> > He seems to be a very creative guy and has programmed 
> some great sounding
> > loops for his own and other peoples products (Spectrasonics).
> > On the other hand I don't trust NI one little bit.
> > They stuck it to me with Battery and Dynamo and I won't be 
> buying anything
> > from them  until I see a change in attitude and support.
> > 
> > About this pHatmatikpro issue.........I sometimes wonder if we 
> don't get a
> > little to anal about how perfect something is. I mean if 
> something keeps
> > crashing your system then......fair enough, you have a relevant 
> gripe. But I
> > didn't even know that pHatmatikpro had these problems you 
> guys are talking
> > about.
> > My loops are in time, my work flow has improved and I can do 
> things with
> > loops I could never do before.
> > Are you guys working or obsessing over your tools?
> > BTW the file features you are looking for in pHatmatikpro are 
> present in
> > pHatfactory and it's fabulous. This will of course be 
> implemented in the
> > update of pHatmatikpro.
> > Phil Buckle.

> There was a problem using pHatfactory in a song with a pHatmatikpro but Art
> fixed this and sent me a new version. It works perfectly now.

what is this "new version" you speak of? do you mind looking to see the
version/build number for me?

> Yes,  Art can be a little brusque if your attitude is a little loose but I
> put that down to a musician/programmer temperament and a very busy schedule.

I've never found him that way. He's always been great and polite and
straightforward. never a problem.

> About this pHatmatikpro issue.........I sometimes wonder if we don't get a
> little to anal about how perfect something is. I mean if something keeps
> crashing your system then......fair enough, you have a relevant gripe. But I
> didn't even know that pHatmatikpro had these problems you guys are talking
> about.
> My loops are in time, my work flow has improved and I can do things with
> loops I could never do before.
> Are you guys working or obsessing over your tools?
> BTW the file features you are looking for in pHatmatikpro are present in
> pHatfactory and it's fabulous. This will of course be implemented in the
> update of pHatmatikpro.
> Phil Buckle.

I am working. not obsessing. That's why I haven't used PMP in a while now,
it keeps crashing my machine and I need to get work done. Thanks for
wondering though.

thanks,
teddy

on 2/2/03 1:00 AM, exs-users@yahoogroups.com at exs-users@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

> What about the way PhatMatik cuts off the attacks of your drum
> hits?
I don't have that problem here at all.
I cut the loops in PTools, export them as Wav files.
Audition all loops in "Live"
Choose the loops.
Open Logic.
Slice and dice loops in  pHatmaticpro.
Deliver the product.
Next.
Phil Buckle.

I have used it with pre-formatted, pre-cut loops, and found it 
inconsistent with how it changes the sound of the attacks on 
certain drum hits, which can totally ruin a particular snare or kick 
drum