Emax

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jaumemod 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 10:14 PM
  Subject: [emax] Five top keys fault


    
  Dear folks,

  My Emax II top 5 range keys faults (from G#5 to C6) no sounds.

  Playing on MIDI master keyboard there's no problem, all seems to be ok, all sounds.

  I checked contact springs and seems to be ok. Only when I use a plastic stick to move spring over contact with a key previously played all sounds...until I back to turn sampler in upright position.

  I cleaned all contact springs and contact base. I checked keyrange board and all contact ways on board. All seemed to de ok for me.

  I checked all keyrange connectors to mother board: Ok

  Maybe I need to know what parts of sampler are involved in keyrange operation to checked something else....I don't know....



  

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> bad signal diode can take out all keys in that octave
> 
> as seeing your getting midi to trigger 
> 
> the scanner cpu deals with the keyboard and  the buttons
> 
> youcould have a bad scanner chip
> 
> but check the contact board starting at the c#5 key trace the diode
> 
> for that key and test if its working
>  
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: jaumemod 
>   To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 10:14 PM
>   Subject: [emax] Five top keys fault
> 
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>     
>   Dear folks,
> 
>   My Emax II top 5 range keys faults (from G#5 to C6) no sounds.
> 
>   Playing on MIDI master keyboard there's no problem, all seems to be ok, all sounds.
> 
>   I checked contact springs and seems to be ok. Only when I use a plastic stick to move spring over contact with a key previously played all sounds...until I back to turn sampler in upright position.
> 
>   I cleaned all contact springs and contact base. I checked keyrange board and all contact ways on board. All seemed to de ok for me.
> 
>   I checked all keyrange connectors to mother board: Ok
> 
>   Maybe I need to know what parts of sampler are involved in keyrange operation to checked something else....I don't know....
> 
> 
> 
>   
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: emax_dx5 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:59 PM
  Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault


    
  I won't go for the MPU Scanner (IM386). When it fails, no button or key usually work.

  You said you sent midi to the Emax and it made sound. Did you check the MIDI OUT commands the emax is sending? you can do it both with a Midi analyzer on your computer or using the function MIDI Scope. Check if it sends Key ON and OFF commands or not. If any of those cases:

  Go to the keyboard Printed Circuit Board. ONce you already checked diodes, Check continuity on the traces involved with those keys (a multimeter will do the job). If a common ground trace is open, this fault uses to happen.

  hope it helps.

  Best.
  Jose



  

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> actually i can be the scanner chip iv had it when you can play notes on kewyboard but when pressing buttons its arratic and jumps allover the place
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: emax_dx5 
>   To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:59 PM
>   Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
> 
> 
>     
>   I won't go for the MPU Scanner (IM386). When it fails, no button or key usually work.
> 
>   You said you sent midi to the Emax and it made sound. Did you check the MIDI OUT commands the emax is sending? you can do it both with a Midi analyzer on your computer or using the function MIDI Scope. Check if it sends Key ON and OFF commands or not. If any of those cases:
> 
>   Go to the keyboard Printed Circuit Board. ONce you already checked diodes, Check continuity on the traces involved with those keys (a multimeter will do the job). If a common ground trace is open, this fault uses to happen.
> 
>   hope it helps.
> 
>   Best.
>   Jose
> 
> 
> 
>   
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: emax_dx5 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:09 PM
  Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault


    

  Yeah I don't discard it at all, but three 1125's I had to deal with were completely dead when failing. Talking about a failing octave (just that) I would go for traces or diodes (appart from all suggested above). Those keyb pcbs are prone to crack traces . 

  --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
  >
  > actually i can be the scanner chip iv had it when you can play notes on kewyboard but when pressing buttons its arratic and jumps allover the place
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: emax_dx5 
  > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:59 PM
  > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > I won't go for the MPU Scanner (IM386). When it fails, no button or key usually work.
  > 
  > You said you sent midi to the Emax and it made sound. Did you check the MIDI OUT commands the emax is sending? you can do it both with a Midi analyzer on your computer or using the function MIDI Scope. Check if it sends Key ON and OFF commands or not. If any of those cases:
  > 
  > Go to the keyboard Printed Circuit Board. ONce you already checked diodes, Check continuity on the traces involved with those keys (a multimeter will do the job). If a common ground trace is open, this fault uses to happen.
  > 
  > hope it helps.
  > 
  > Best.
  > Jose
  > 
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  > 
  > 
  > 
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> i agree i recon its a diode or the return circuit to the scanner cpu
> 
> the scanner cpu gets pulse signals from when a key is pressed0volts to 5volts to zero volts like a half square wave cycle
> 
> he says he is getting voltage across the diode 5v when key is pressed
> 
> so to me the keys is making a circuit as tested but that siganl is not getting back to the cpu scanner
> 
> now its either the wire for that octave is damaged or there is a broken track 
> 
> he needs to trace the tracks from that octave and see if he is getting continuity to the header cable if he is then its at the mother board end 
> 
> as the scanner cpu is not recieving the trigger pulses for that octave
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: emax_dx5 
>   To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:09 PM
>   Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
> 
> 
>     
> 
>   Yeah I don't discard it at all, but three 1125's I had to deal with were completely dead when failing. Talking about a failing octave (just that) I would go for traces or diodes (appart from all suggested above). Those keyb pcbs are prone to crack traces . 
> 
>   --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
>   >
>   > actually i can be the scanner chip iv had it when you can play notes on kewyboard but when pressing buttons its arratic and jumps allover the place
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: emax_dx5 
>   > To: emax@...m 
>   > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:59 PM
>   > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > I won't go for the MPU Scanner (IM386). When it fails, no button or key usually work.
>   > 
>   > You said you sent midi to the Emax and it made sound. Did you check the MIDI OUT commands the emax is sending? you can do it both with a Midi analyzer on your computer or using the function MIDI Scope. Check if it sends Key ON and OFF commands or not. If any of those cases:
>   > 
>   > Go to the keyboard Printed Circuit Board. ONce you already checked diodes, Check continuity on the traces involved with those keys (a multimeter will do the job). If a common ground trace is open, this fault uses to happen.
>   > 
>   > hope it helps.
>   > 
>   > Best.
>   > Jose
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jaumemod 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:14 PM
  Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault


    
  The maneuver I performed for it working again was to raise the contact spring with a nylon stick while pressing one of five keys on the MIDI master keyboard. Then everything was returning to work.

  This must create a bridge between contacts or something similar

  Ouuuuk! For the moment I traced the contact ways to contact key and I find a bad solder point....perhaps it's the cause which when I turn upright sampler all faults again.

  Tomorrow I ll put a bit solder....I'll tell you something...

  THX a lot

  --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
  >
  > i agree i recon its a diode or the return circuit to the scanner cpu
  > 
  > the scanner cpu gets pulse signals from when a key is pressed0volts to 5volts to zero volts like a half square wave cycle
  > 
  > he says he is getting voltage across the diode 5v when key is pressed
  > 
  > so to me the keys is making a circuit as tested but that siganl is not getting back to the cpu scanner
  > 
  > now its either the wire for that octave is damaged or there is a broken track 
  > 
  > he needs to trace the tracks from that octave and see if he is getting continuity to the header cable if he is then its at the mother board end 
  > 
  > as the scanner cpu is not recieving the trigger pulses for that octave
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: emax_dx5 
  > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:09 PM
  > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > Yeah I don't discard it at all, but three 1125's I had to deal with were completely dead when failing. Talking about a failing octave (just that) I would go for traces or diodes (appart from all suggested above). Those keyb pcbs are prone to crack traces . 
  > 
  > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
  > >
  > > actually i can be the scanner chip iv had it when you can play notes on kewyboard but when pressing buttons its arratic and jumps allover the place
  > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > From: emax_dx5 
  > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:59 PM
  > > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > I won't go for the MPU Scanner (IM386). When it fails, no button or key usually work.
  > > 
  > > You said you sent midi to the Emax and it made sound. Did you check the MIDI OUT commands the emax is sending? you can do it both with a Midi analyzer on your computer or using the function MIDI Scope. Check if it sends Key ON and OFF commands or not. If any of those cases:
  > > 
  > > Go to the keyboard Printed Circuit Board. ONce you already checked diodes, Check continuity on the traces involved with those keys (a multimeter will do the job). If a common ground trace is open, this fault uses to happen.
  > > 
  > > hope it helps.
  > > 
  > > Best.
  > > Jose
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>
> yes a cold solder joint will do it as they are done in banks if one goes the whole octave will go
> 
> if it was just one key then i would of said dirt on the spring contact or the spring has snpped or fallen ot which also does happen
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: jaumemod 
>   To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:14 PM
>   Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
> 
> 
>     
>   The maneuver I performed for it working again was to raise the contact spring with a nylon stick while pressing one of five keys on the MIDI master keyboard. Then everything was returning to work.
> 
>   This must create a bridge between contacts or something similar
> 
>   Ouuuuk! For the moment I traced the contact ways to contact key and I find a bad solder point....perhaps it's the cause which when I turn upright sampler all faults again.
> 
>   Tomorrow I ll put a bit solder....I'll tell you something...
> 
>   THX a lot
> 
>   --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
>   >
>   > i agree i recon its a diode or the return circuit to the scanner cpu
>   > 
>   > the scanner cpu gets pulse signals from when a key is pressed0volts to 5volts to zero volts like a half square wave cycle
>   > 
>   > he says he is getting voltage across the diode 5v when key is pressed
>   > 
>   > so to me the keys is making a circuit as tested but that siganl is not getting back to the cpu scanner
>   > 
>   > now its either the wire for that octave is damaged or there is a broken track 
>   > 
>   > he needs to trace the tracks from that octave and see if he is getting continuity to the header cable if he is then its at the mother board end 
>   > 
>   > as the scanner cpu is not recieving the trigger pulses for that octave
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: emax_dx5 
>   > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
>   > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:09 PM
>   > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Yeah I don't discard it at all, but three 1125's I had to deal with were completely dead when failing. Talking about a failing octave (just that) I would go for traces or diodes (appart from all suggested above). Those keyb pcbs are prone to crack traces . 
>   > 
>   > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > actually i can be the scanner chip iv had it when you can play notes on kewyboard but when pressing buttons its arratic and jumps allover the place
>   > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > > From: emax_dx5 
>   > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
>   > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:59 PM
>   > > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > I won't go for the MPU Scanner (IM386). When it fails, no button or key usually work.
>   > > 
>   > > You said you sent midi to the Emax and it made sound. Did you check the MIDI OUT commands the emax is sending? you can do it both with a Midi analyzer on your computer or using the function MIDI Scope. Check if it sends Key ON and OFF commands or not. If any of those cases:
>   > > 
>   > > Go to the keyboard Printed Circuit Board. ONce you already checked diodes, Check continuity on the traces involved with those keys (a multimeter will do the job). If a common ground trace is open, this fault uses to happen.
>   > > 
>   > > hope it helps.
>   > > 
>   > > Best.
>   > > Jose
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> The bad solder point corresponds to G#5... I'll tell you something...
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> >
> > yes a cold solder joint will do it as they are done in banks if one goes the whole octave will go
> > 
> > if it was just one key then i would of said dirt on the spring contact or the spring has snpped or fallen ot which also does happen
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: jaumemod 
> >   To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:14 PM
> >   Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
> > 
> > 
> >     
> >   The maneuver I performed for it working again was to raise the contact spring with a nylon stick while pressing one of five keys on the MIDI master keyboard. Then everything was returning to work.
> > 
> >   This must create a bridge between contacts or something similar
> > 
> >   Ouuuuk! For the moment I traced the contact ways to contact key and I find a bad solder point....perhaps it's the cause which when I turn upright sampler all faults again.
> > 
> >   Tomorrow I ll put a bit solder....I'll tell you something...
> > 
> >   THX a lot
> > 
> >   --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> >   >
> >   > i agree i recon its a diode or the return circuit to the scanner cpu
> >   > 
> >   > the scanner cpu gets pulse signals from when a key is pressed0volts to 5volts to zero volts like a half square wave cycle
> >   > 
> >   > he says he is getting voltage across the diode 5v when key is pressed
> >   > 
> >   > so to me the keys is making a circuit as tested but that siganl is not getting back to the cpu scanner
> >   > 
> >   > now its either the wire for that octave is damaged or there is a broken track 
> >   > 
> >   > he needs to trace the tracks from that octave and see if he is getting continuity to the header cable if he is then its at the mother board end 
> >   > 
> >   > as the scanner cpu is not recieving the trigger pulses for that octave
> >   > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   > From: emax_dx5 
> >   > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
> >   > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:09 PM
> >   > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   > Yeah I don't discard it at all, but three 1125's I had to deal with were completely dead when failing. Talking about a failing octave (just that) I would go for traces or diodes (appart from all suggested above). Those keyb pcbs are prone to crack traces . 
> >   > 
> >   > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> >   > >
> >   > > actually i can be the scanner chip iv had it when you can play notes on kewyboard but when pressing buttons its arratic and jumps allover the place
> >   > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   > > From: emax_dx5 
> >   > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
> >   > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:59 PM
> >   > > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > I won't go for the MPU Scanner (IM386). When it fails, no button or key usually work.
> >   > > 
> >   > > You said you sent midi to the Emax and it made sound. Did you check the MIDI OUT commands the emax is sending? you can do it both with a Midi analyzer on your computer or using the function MIDI Scope. Check if it sends Key ON and OFF commands or not. If any of those cases:
> >   > > 
> >   > > Go to the keyboard Printed Circuit Board. ONce you already checked diodes, Check continuity on the traces involved with those keys (a multimeter will do the job). If a common ground trace is open, this fault uses to happen.
> >   > > 
> >   > > hope it helps.
> >   > > 
> >   > > Best.
> >   > > Jose
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jaumemod 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:14 PM
  Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault


    

  REPAIRED!

  I was the bad solder point at G#5 contact board.

  Thx a lot Jose and Jammie.

  --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jaumemod" <jaumemod@...> wrote:
  >
  > 
  > The bad solder point corresponds to G#5... I'll tell you something...
  > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
  > >
  > > yes a cold solder joint will do it as they are done in banks if one goes the whole octave will go
  > > 
  > > if it was just one key then i would of said dirt on the spring contact or the spring has snpped or fallen ot which also does happen
  > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > From: jaumemod 
  > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:14 PM
  > > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > The maneuver I performed for it working again was to raise the contact spring with a nylon stick while pressing one of five keys on the MIDI master keyboard. Then everything was returning to work.
  > > 
  > > This must create a bridge between contacts or something similar
  > > 
  > > Ouuuuk! For the moment I traced the contact ways to contact key and I find a bad solder point....perhaps it's the cause which when I turn upright sampler all faults again.
  > > 
  > > Tomorrow I ll put a bit solder....I'll tell you something...
  > > 
  > > THX a lot
  > > 
  > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
  > > >
  > > > i agree i recon its a diode or the return circuit to the scanner cpu
  > > > 
  > > > the scanner cpu gets pulse signals from when a key is pressed0volts to 5volts to zero volts like a half square wave cycle
  > > > 
  > > > he says he is getting voltage across the diode 5v when key is pressed
  > > > 
  > > > so to me the keys is making a circuit as tested but that siganl is not getting back to the cpu scanner
  > > > 
  > > > now its either the wire for that octave is damaged or there is a broken track 
  > > > 
  > > > he needs to trace the tracks from that octave and see if he is getting continuity to the header cable if he is then its at the mother board end 
  > > > 
  > > > as the scanner cpu is not recieving the trigger pulses for that octave
  > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > > From: emax_dx5 
  > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:09 PM
  > > > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > Yeah I don't discard it at all, but three 1125's I had to deal with were completely dead when failing. Talking about a failing octave (just that) I would go for traces or diodes (appart from all suggested above). Those keyb pcbs are prone to crack traces . 
  > > > 
  > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
  > > > >
  > > > > actually i can be the scanner chip iv had it when you can play notes on kewyboard but when pressing buttons its arratic and jumps allover the place
  > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > > > From: emax_dx5 
  > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  > > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:59 PM
  > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
  > > > > 
  > > > > 
  > > > > 
  > > > > I won't go for the MPU Scanner (IM386). When it fails, no button or key usually work.
  > > > > 
  > > > > You said you sent midi to the Emax and it made sound. Did you check the MIDI OUT commands the emax is sending? you can do it both with a Midi analyzer on your computer or using the function MIDI Scope. Check if it sends Key ON and OFF commands or not. If any of those cases:
  > > > > 
  > > > > Go to the keyboard Printed Circuit Board. ONce you already checked diodes, Check continuity on the traces involved with those keys (a multimeter will do the job). If a common ground trace is open, this fault uses to happen.
  > > > > 
  > > > > hope it helps.
  > > > > 
  > > > > Best.
  > > > > Jose
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> pleasure to be of help thats what we are here for to keep these machines running as emu is not interested as of  93 for the emax as they only have to support a product after 6 years they can stop providing support and parts
> 
> this is the same for all manufacturers
> 
> but roland seem to keep a good stock always as for korg after 6 years your out of luck with parts as they just drop them unless its a part thats re used like the jalco phone sockets which are still the same since the korg dss1
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: jaumemod 
>   To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:14 PM
>   Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
> 
> 
>     
> 
>   REPAIRED!
> 
>   I was the bad solder point at G#5 contact board.
> 
>   Thx a lot Jose and Jammie.
> 
>   --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jaumemod" <jaumemod@> wrote:
>   >
>   > 
>   > The bad solder point corresponds to G#5... I'll tell you something...
>   > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > yes a cold solder joint will do it as they are done in banks if one goes the whole octave will go
>   > > 
>   > > if it was just one key then i would of said dirt on the spring contact or the spring has snpped or fallen ot which also does happen
>   > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > > From: jaumemod 
>   > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
>   > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:14 PM
>   > > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > The maneuver I performed for it working again was to raise the contact spring with a nylon stick while pressing one of five keys on the MIDI master keyboard. Then everything was returning to work.
>   > > 
>   > > This must create a bridge between contacts or something similar
>   > > 
>   > > Ouuuuk! For the moment I traced the contact ways to contact key and I find a bad solder point....perhaps it's the cause which when I turn upright sampler all faults again.
>   > > 
>   > > Tomorrow I ll put a bit solder....I'll tell you something...
>   > > 
>   > > THX a lot
>   > > 
>   > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > i agree i recon its a diode or the return circuit to the scanner cpu
>   > > > 
>   > > > the scanner cpu gets pulse signals from when a key is pressed0volts to 5volts to zero volts like a half square wave cycle
>   > > > 
>   > > > he says he is getting voltage across the diode 5v when key is pressed
>   > > > 
>   > > > so to me the keys is making a circuit as tested but that siganl is not getting back to the cpu scanner
>   > > > 
>   > > > now its either the wire for that octave is damaged or there is a broken track 
>   > > > 
>   > > > he needs to trace the tracks from that octave and see if he is getting continuity to the header cable if he is then its at the mother board end 
>   > > > 
>   > > > as the scanner cpu is not recieving the trigger pulses for that octave
>   > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > > > From: emax_dx5 
>   > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
>   > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:09 PM
>   > > > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > Yeah I don't discard it at all, but three 1125's I had to deal with were completely dead when failing. Talking about a failing octave (just that) I would go for traces or diodes (appart from all suggested above). Those keyb pcbs are prone to crack traces . 
>   > > > 
>   > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
>   > > > >
>   > > > > actually i can be the scanner chip iv had it when you can play notes on kewyboard but when pressing buttons its arratic and jumps allover the place
>   > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > > > > From: emax_dx5 
>   > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
>   > > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:59 PM
>   > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > I won't go for the MPU Scanner (IM386). When it fails, no button or key usually work.
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > You said you sent midi to the Emax and it made sound. Did you check the MIDI OUT commands the emax is sending? you can do it both with a Midi analyzer on your computer or using the function MIDI Scope. Check if it sends Key ON and OFF commands or not. If any of those cases:
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > Go to the keyboard Printed Circuit Board. ONce you already checked diodes, Check continuity on the traces involved with those keys (a multimeter will do the job). If a common ground trace is open, this fault uses to happen.
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > hope it helps.
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > Best.
>   > > > > Jose
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jaumemod 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 2:10 PM
  Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault


    

  Yeah...I ask myself suddendly what I will do when a motherboard or some chip faults.

  You can re-sold a bad solder point, you can change a contact spring (MicroKorg springs are very similar)....But boards tings and chips...bad...bad repair...Prayer to God!

  Maybe mod my ESI inside an Emax II lolollol

  --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
  >
  > pleasure to be of help thats what we are here for to keep these machines running as emu is not interested as of 93 for the emax as they only have to support a product after 6 years they can stop providing support and parts
  > 
  > this is the same for all manufacturers
  > 
  > but roland seem to keep a good stock always as for korg after 6 years your out of luck with parts as they just drop them unless its a part thats re used like the jalco phone sockets which are still the same since the korg dss1
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: jaumemod 
  > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:14 PM
  > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > REPAIRED!
  > 
  > I was the bad solder point at G#5 contact board.
  > 
  > Thx a lot Jose and Jammie.
  > 
  > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jaumemod" <jaumemod@> wrote:
  > >
  > > 
  > > The bad solder point corresponds to G#5... I'll tell you something...
  > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
  > > >
  > > > yes a cold solder joint will do it as they are done in banks if one goes the whole octave will go
  > > > 
  > > > if it was just one key then i would of said dirt on the spring contact or the spring has snpped or fallen ot which also does happen
  > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > > From: jaumemod 
  > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:14 PM
  > > > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > The maneuver I performed for it working again was to raise the contact spring with a nylon stick while pressing one of five keys on the MIDI master keyboard. Then everything was returning to work.
  > > > 
  > > > This must create a bridge between contacts or something similar
  > > > 
  > > > Ouuuuk! For the moment I traced the contact ways to contact key and I find a bad solder point....perhaps it's the cause which when I turn upright sampler all faults again.
  > > > 
  > > > Tomorrow I ll put a bit solder....I'll tell you something...
  > > > 
  > > > THX a lot
  > > > 
  > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
  > > > >
  > > > > i agree i recon its a diode or the return circuit to the scanner cpu
  > > > > 
  > > > > the scanner cpu gets pulse signals from when a key is pressed0volts to 5volts to zero volts like a half square wave cycle
  > > > > 
  > > > > he says he is getting voltage across the diode 5v when key is pressed
  > > > > 
  > > > > so to me the keys is making a circuit as tested but that siganl is not getting back to the cpu scanner
  > > > > 
  > > > > now its either the wire for that octave is damaged or there is a broken track 
  > > > > 
  > > > > he needs to trace the tracks from that octave and see if he is getting continuity to the header cable if he is then its at the mother board end 
  > > > > 
  > > > > as the scanner cpu is not recieving the trigger pulses for that octave
  > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > > > From: emax_dx5 
  > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  > > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:09 PM
  > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
  > > > > 
  > > > > 
  > > > > 
  > > > > 
  > > > > Yeah I don't discard it at all, but three 1125's I had to deal with were completely dead when failing. Talking about a failing octave (just that) I would go for traces or diodes (appart from all suggested above). Those keyb pcbs are prone to crack traces . 
  > > > > 
  > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
  > > > > >
  > > > > > actually i can be the scanner chip iv had it when you can play notes on kewyboard but when pressing buttons its arratic and jumps allover the place
  > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > > > > From: emax_dx5 
  > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:59 PM
  > > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
  > > > > > 
  > > > > > 
  > > > > > 
  > > > > > I won't go for the MPU Scanner (IM386). When it fails, no button or key usually work.
  > > > > > 
  > > > > > You said you sent midi to the Emax and it made sound. Did you check the MIDI OUT commands the emax is sending? you can do it both with a Midi analyzer on your computer or using the function MIDI Scope. Check if it sends Key ON and OFF commands or not. If any of those cases:
  > > > > > 
  > > > > > Go to the keyboard Printed Circuit Board. ONce you already checked diodes, Check continuity on the traces involved with those keys (a multimeter will do the job). If a common ground trace is open, this fault uses to happen.
  > > > > > 
  > > > > > hope it helps.
  > > > > > 
  > > > > > Best.
  > > > > > Jose
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> actually i can be the scanner chip iv had it when you can play notes on kewyboard but when pressing buttons its arratic and jumps allover the place
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: emax_dx5 
>   To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:59 PM
>   Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
> 
> 
>     
>   I won't go for the MPU Scanner (IM386). When it fails, no button or key usually work.
> 
>   You said you sent midi to the Emax and it made sound. Did you check the MIDI OUT commands the emax is sending? you can do it both with a Midi analyzer on your computer or using the function MIDI Scope. Check if it sends Key ON and OFF commands or not. If any of those cases:
> 
>   Go to the keyboard Printed Circuit Board. ONce you already checked diodes, Check continuity on the traces involved with those keys (a multimeter will do the job). If a common ground trace is open, this fault uses to happen.
> 
>   hope it helps.
> 
>   Best.
>   Jose
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: cheju_99 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:55 PM
  Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault


    
  i have exactly the same problem, replace the scan chip with a new one with no success, you finally fixed?.

  --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
  >
  > actually i can be the scanner chip iv had it when you can play notes on kewyboard but when pressing buttons its arratic and jumps allover the place
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: emax_dx5 
  > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:59 PM
  > Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > I won't go for the MPU Scanner (IM386). When it fails, no button or key usually work.
  > 
  > You said you sent midi to the Emax and it made sound. Did you check the MIDI OUT commands the emax is sending? you can do it both with a Midi analyzer on your computer or using the function MIDI Scope. Check if it sends Key ON and OFF commands or not. If any of those cases:
  > 
  > Go to the keyboard Printed Circuit Board. ONce you already checked diodes, Check continuity on the traces involved with those keys (a multimeter will do the job). If a common ground trace is open, this fault uses to happen.
  > 
  > hope it helps.
  > 
  > Best.
  > Jose
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> i have exactly the same problem, replace the scan chip with a new one with no success, you finally fixed?.
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> >
> > actually i can be the scanner chip iv had it when you can play notes on kewyboard but when pressing buttons its arratic and jumps allover the place
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: emax_dx5 
> >   To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:59 PM
> >   Subject: [emax] Re: Five top keys fault
> > 
> > 
> >     
> >   I won't go for the MPU Scanner (IM386). When it fails, no button or key usually work.
> > 
> >   You said you sent midi to the Emax and it made sound. Did you check the MIDI OUT commands the emax is sending? you can do it both with a Midi analyzer on your computer or using the function MIDI Scope. Check if it sends Key ON and OFF commands or not. If any of those cases:
> > 
> >   Go to the keyboard Printed Circuit Board. ONce you already checked diodes, Check continuity on the traces involved with those keys (a multimeter will do the job). If a common ground trace is open, this fault uses to happen.
> > 
> >   hope it helps.
> > 
> >   Best.
> >   Jose
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