----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Stammen
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [elektron] Sid Trackers
That would be a good idea.. BUT.. if someone's building a tracker, then PLEASE let it be in DOS style and not some shitty windows style. Like noisetracker : It has a dos (fullscreen) interface and uses direct-x to access MIDI ports and audio adapters. I like the soundquality of MAD tracker but the interface made me sick! FT2's interface still rulez.. ;-/
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Monroe
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 12:13 AM
Subject: [elektron] Sid Trackers
Sorry, caught the ass-end of these thread. What exactly is a sid
tracker? If you could
point me to or give more info I'd like to read up on it....
-= jeff
phonophobie wrote:
>hi,
>i just read your messages. i just want to say that i like people who
>still uses tracker for their music. trackers are still an unbeatable
>tool to create these special kind of music. the worse thing about it
>is - you always need a external computer to create. sidtables are
>nice but these hardcore effects we all like mostly can´t be done with
>it. and only using hardsid is a little bit frustrating. because it is
>just like a external player.. like playing a cd in a cd-player:/ it
>would be nice when there would be something between. maybee a
>sidstation editor with advanced programming.. but i guess no one -
>even electron- will do it. anyway track on ;)
>-phono
>
>
>--- In elektron-users@y..., "Chris Stammen" <cosmiq@h...> wrote:
>
>
>>Thanks for the usefull information! :) And indeed.. I better use
>>
>>
>goat-tracker to build rithms and afterwards record it while playing
>the sid through the sidstation: It's not only easier to compose with
>a tracker (IMO), but it also gives the oppertunity to compose the SID
>while I don't even have the sidstation (yet). Good tip! :)
>
>
>>The way of composing with lot's of sysex data to 'program' the
>>
>>
>oscillator volumes doesn't sound like a fun way to compose.
>Especially not in a 'horizontal way of composing' (cakewalk / cubase
>style - blerghh) Anyway: I just *love* the oldskool tracker-
>arpeggiators (effect 0xx in protracker).. It seems that they can be
>built with the Sidstation. Therefor I definately gonna buy one! Do
>you know how these arps are made? I tried to build these on my K-
>Station and Virus but both of them didn't gave a good result.
>(Just 'UP'-arpeggiated a pulse with some PWM and a bit delay;; the
>result was a chaos of sounds, far too clear to compare with the
>original module -arps)
>
>
>>Thanks again for the story down here ;-) And Steven, could you warn
>>
>>
>me when you have made a sidstation- rithm!? I'm curious of what's
>possible with that toy!
>
>
>>greetz,
>>-Chris
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Steven Henry
>> To: elektron-users@y...
>> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 3:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [elektron] SidStation Drumpatches
>>
>>
>> >Is it possible to build oldskool C64 rithms with a sidstation?
>>
>>
>And then,
>
>
>> >how are the patches arranged? (Can I assign C#2 to bassdrum, D#2
>>
>>
>to snare,
>
>
>> >E#2 to hihat, etc and build a drumbank this way?)
>>
>> Although the sidstation can achieve the oldskool drum sounds, its
>>
>>
>usually
>
>
>> only possible to trigger them as you would if you had built the
>>
>>
>sound on any
>
>
>> synth (one per patch).
>>
>> You build single drum sounds in the table editor (all 3
>>
>>
>oscilators have a
>
>
>> wavetable.) If you've never used a sid tracker before, the
>>
>>
>wavetable looks
>
>
>> like a step sequencer with assignable waveform, pitch etc. for
>>
>>
>each step. If
>
>
>> you set the playback rate fast enough this sequence can sound
>>
>>
>like a snare
>
>
>> or a bassdrum. Its also possible to build whole beats this way
>>
>>
>(but this is
>
>
>> very tricky compared to a c64 tracker.)
>>
>> Unfortuneatly you can't assign each oscilator to a different
>>
>>
>note / midi
>
>
>> channel. So you can only really play one sequence/drum sound at a
>>
>>
>time. The
>
>
>> operating system on the sid is set out like a synth.. so even if
>>
>>
>it had
>
>
>> assignable midi channels - normal drum machine funtions eg.
>>
>>
>copying and
>
>
>> pasting single drum sounds wouldn't be possible without an
>>
>>
>external editor.
>
>
>> Instead, All 3 oscilators are grouped as a patch, which seems
>>
>>
>like a bit of
>
>
>> a waste. So while the sid is great for lead sounds and single
>>
>>
>drum hits the
>
>
>> kind of opperation which you talk of would not be available
>>
>>
>without a major
>
>
>> O.S. re-build.
>>
>> There are a few ways to get around this. One is to set your
>>
>>
>wavetables to
>
>
>> different drum sounds, trigger when you want a hit, mute the
>>
>>
>oscilators via
>
>
>> midi and use a program (ive used max/msp for this) to send
>>
>>
>controllers to
>
>
>> unmute the oscilators as they are needed. (extremly back
>>
>>
>asswards.)
>
>
>> Of course, there are also a few alternatives to building the
>>
>>
>beats on the
>
>
>> sid. I usually use goat tracker (pc bassed sid tracker) save the
>>
>>
>file as a
>
>
>> sid.. and play back using ASID mode. (a funtion on the sidstation
>>
>>
>which
>
>
>> allows you to play sid tunes via sysex from your computer on the
>>
>>
>sid.) Iv'e
>
>
>> also attempted to build an ASID drum machine in Max. with quite
>>
>>
>nice
>
>
>> results. but this is unfinnished due to 8 bit sysex grief .
>>
>> >Is the noise coming out of the C64 chip really that terrible?
>>
>> No not at all.. the noise is one of the best bits. It isnt really
>>
>>
>noise.
>
>
>> what happens is that the oscilators don't stop when you stop
>>
>>
>playing, so the
>
>
>> backround noise is just a tuneful variation on the last note you
>>
>>
>played.
>
>
>> sometimes it even blurts out a big groan.
>>
>> It really is a fantastic instrument with morr character than any
>>
>>
>other
>
>
>> synth ive ever used. though a drum macine it aint'.
>>
>> >Where can I find MP3's only using SidStation ( I already
>>
>>
>downloaded all the
>
>
>> >mP3s on sidstation.com)
>>
>> Hmmn, I know alot of the guys at ww.micromusic.net use
>>
>>
>Sidstations. but most
>
>
>> sid fundamentalists use trackers.
>>
>> /Steven
>>
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