Elektron Musical Instruments

hi,
i just read your messages. i just want to say that i like people who 
still uses tracker for their music. trackers are still an unbeatable 
tool to create these special kind of music. the worse thing about it 
is - you always need a external computer to create. sidtables are 
nice but these hardcore effects we all like mostly can´t be done with 
it. and only using hardsid is a little bit frustrating. because it is 
just like a external player.. like playing a cd in a cd-player:/ it 
would be nice when there would be something between. maybee a 
sidstation editor with advanced programming.. but i guess no one -
even electron- will do it. anyway track on ;)
-phono


--- In elektron-users@y..., "Chris Stammen" <cosmiq@h...> wrote:
> Thanks for the usefull information! :)  And indeed.. I better use 
goat-tracker to build rithms and afterwards record it while playing 
the sid through the sidstation: It's not only easier to compose with 
a tracker (IMO), but it also gives the oppertunity to compose the SID 
while I don't even have the sidstation (yet). Good tip! :)
> The way of composing with lot's of sysex data to 'program' the 
oscillator volumes doesn't sound like a fun way to compose. 
Especially not in a 'horizontal way of composing' (cakewalk / cubase 
style - blerghh)  Anyway: I just *love* the oldskool tracker-
arpeggiators (effect 0xx in protracker).. It seems that they can be 
built with the Sidstation. Therefor I definately gonna buy one!  Do 
you know how these arps are made?  I tried to build these on my K-
Station and Virus but both of them didn't gave a good result. 
(Just 'UP'-arpeggiated a pulse with some PWM and a bit delay;;  the 
result was a chaos of sounds, far too clear to compare with the 
original module -arps)
> Thanks again for the story down here ;-) And Steven, could you warn 
me when you have made a sidstation- rithm!?  I'm curious of what's 
possible with that toy!
> greetz,
> -Chris
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Steven Henry 
>   To: elektron-users@y... 
>   Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 3:12 PM
>   Subject: Re: [elektron] SidStation Drumpatches
> 
> 
>   >Is it possible to build oldskool C64 rithms with a sidstation? 
And then, 
>   >how are the patches arranged? (Can I assign C#2 to bassdrum, D#2 
to snare, 
>   >E#2 to hihat, etc and build a drumbank this way?)
> 
>   Although the sidstation can achieve the oldskool drum sounds, its 
usually 
>   only possible to trigger them as you would if you had built the 
sound on any 
>   synth (one per patch).
> 
>   You build single drum sounds in the table editor (all 3 
oscilators have a 
>   wavetable.) If you've never used a sid tracker before, the 
wavetable looks 
>   like a step sequencer with assignable waveform, pitch etc. for 
each step. If 
>   you set the playback rate fast enough this sequence can sound 
like a snare 
>   or a bassdrum. Its also possible to build whole beats this way 
(but this is 
>   very tricky compared to a c64 tracker.)
> 
>   Unfortuneatly you can't assign each oscilator to a different 
note / midi 
>   channel. So you can only really play one sequence/drum sound at a 
time. The 
>   operating system on the sid is set out like a synth.. so even if 
it had 
>   assignable midi channels - normal drum machine funtions eg. 
copying and 
>   pasting single drum sounds wouldn't be possible without an 
external editor. 
>   Instead, All 3 oscilators are grouped as a patch, which seems 
like a bit of 
>   a waste. So while the sid is great for lead sounds and single 
drum hits the 
>   kind of opperation which you talk of would not be available 
without a major 
>   O.S. re-build.
> 
>   There are a few ways to get around this. One is to set your 
wavetables to 
>   different drum sounds, trigger when you want a hit, mute the 
oscilators via 
>   midi and use a program (ive used max/msp for this) to send 
controllers to 
>   unmute the oscilators as they are needed. (extremly back 
asswards.)
> 
>   Of course, there are also a few alternatives to building the 
beats on the 
>   sid. I usually use goat tracker (pc bassed sid tracker) save the 
file as a 
>   sid.. and play back using ASID mode. (a funtion on the sidstation 
which 
>   allows you to play sid tunes via sysex from your computer on the 
sid.) Iv'e 
>   also attempted to build an ASID drum machine in Max. with quite 
nice 
>   results. but this is unfinnished due to 8 bit sysex grief .
> 
>   >Is the noise coming out of the C64 chip really that terrible?
> 
>   No not at all.. the noise is one of the best bits. It isnt really 
noise. 
>   what happens is that the oscilators don't stop when you stop 
playing, so the 
>   backround noise is just a tuneful variation on the last note you 
played. 
>   sometimes it even blurts out a big groan.
> 
>   It really is a fantastic instrument  with morr character than any 
other 
>   synth ive ever used. though a drum macine it aint'.
> 
>   >Where can I find MP3's only using SidStation ( I already 
downloaded all the 
>   >mP3s on sidstation.com)
> 
>   Hmmn, I know alot of the guys at ww.micromusic.net use 
Sidstations. but most 
>   sid fundamentalists use trackers.
> 
>   /Steven
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