Elektron Musical Instruments

Thanks for the usefull information! :)  And indeed.. I better use goat-tracker to build rithms and afterwards record it while playing the sid through the sidstation: It's not only easier to compose with a tracker (IMO), but it also gives the oppertunity to compose the SID while I don't even have the sidstation (yet). Good tip! :)
The way of composing with lot's of sysex data to 'program' the oscillator volumes doesn't sound like a fun way to compose. Especially not in a 'horizontal way of composing' (cakewalk / cubase style - blerghh)  Anyway: I just *love* the oldskool tracker-arpeggiators (effect 0xx in protracker).. It seems that they can be built with the Sidstation. Therefor I definately gonna buy one!  Do you know how these arps are made?  I tried to build these on my K-Station and Virus but both of them didn't gave a good result. (Just 'UP'-arpeggiated a pulse with some PWM and a bit delay;;  the result was a chaos of sounds, far too clear to compare with the original module -arps)
Thanks again for the story down here ;-) And Steven, could you warn me when you have made a sidstation- rithm!?  I'm curious of what's possible with that toy!
greetz,
-Chris


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steven Henry 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 3:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] SidStation Drumpatches


  >Is it possible to build oldskool C64 rithms with a sidstation? And then, 
  >how are the patches arranged? (Can I assign C#2 to bassdrum, D#2 to snare, 
  >E#2 to hihat, etc and build a drumbank this way?)

  Although the sidstation can achieve the oldskool drum sounds, its usually 
  only possible to trigger them as you would if you had built the sound on any 
  synth (one per patch).

  You build single drum sounds in the table editor (all 3 oscilators have a 
  wavetable.) If you've never used a sid tracker before, the wavetable looks 
  like a step sequencer with assignable waveform, pitch etc. for each step. If 
  you set the playback rate fast enough this sequence can sound like a snare 
  or a bassdrum. Its also possible to build whole beats this way (but this is 
  very tricky compared to a c64 tracker.)

  Unfortuneatly you can't assign each oscilator to a different note / midi 
  channel. So you can only really play one sequence/drum sound at a time. The 
  operating system on the sid is set out like a synth.. so even if it had 
  assignable midi channels - normal drum machine funtions eg. copying and 
  pasting single drum sounds wouldn't be possible without an external editor. 
  Instead, All 3 oscilators are grouped as a patch, which seems like a bit of 
  a waste. So while the sid is great for lead sounds and single drum hits the 
  kind of opperation which you talk of would not be available without a major 
  O.S. re-build.

  There are a few ways to get around this. One is to set your wavetables to 
  different drum sounds, trigger when you want a hit, mute the oscilators via 
  midi and use a program (ive used max/msp for this) to send controllers to 
  unmute the oscilators as they are needed. (extremly back asswards.)

  Of course, there are also a few alternatives to building the beats on the 
  sid. I usually use goat tracker (pc bassed sid tracker) save the file as a 
  sid.. and play back using ASID mode. (a funtion on the sidstation which 
  allows you to play sid tunes via sysex from your computer on the sid.) Iv'e 
  also attempted to build an ASID drum machine in Max. with quite nice 
  results. but this is unfinnished due to 8 bit sysex grief .

  >Is the noise coming out of the C64 chip really that terrible?

  No not at all.. the noise is one of the best bits. It isnt really noise. 
  what happens is that the oscilators don't stop when you stop playing, so the 
  backround noise is just a tuneful variation on the last note you played. 
  sometimes it even blurts out a big groan.

  It really is a fantastic instrument  with morr character than any other 
  synth ive ever used. though a drum macine it aint'.

  >Where can I find MP3's only using SidStation ( I already downloaded all the 
  >mP3s on sidstation.com)

  Hmmn, I know alot of the guys at ww.micromusic.net use Sidstations. but most 
  sid fundamentalists use trackers.

  /Steven

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