Datacolor User to User Support Group.

I find that the HP profiles for HP media used with the DJ 30 are
generally very good, but the ones that they supply for third party
papers, e.g. Ilford Smooth Matte and Hahnemuehle Photo Rag, are poor.
I also print black and white images on HP media and find a slight
tinge of magenta in the highlights.

My question then is would PFP make third party papers usable, and
could I get good BW images using HP's PPP Satin with a PFP produced
profile? If necessary, I am prepared to add a small amount of
highlight tone to mask the crossovers.

Tim

Thanks. I had suspected that BW would never be truly satisfactory on 
this printer. However, your comments on color profiles are encouraging 
and may persuade me to buy PFP anyway.

Tim Mimpriss
--

CDTobie@... wrote:

> My results on the DesignJet 30/90/120 printers is the PFP2 profiles for 
> any of them are better than the HP profiles (even a third party article 
> reviewing this question came to that same conclusion) and the PFP 
> profiles are as good for third party papers as they are for the HP ones 
> (you can linearize the Designjets to third party paper as easily as to 
> HP paper). As for B&W, I don't find the DesignJet's inks to be capable 
> of stable, neutral B&W, though a PFP2 profile should offer the best B&W 
> that this system can manage. Gallery quality B&W will require a newer 
> generation HP, Canon, or Epson graphics printer.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Division
> DataColor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com

No newer printer just yet!!!

I have downloaded the Windows demo version (1.1.1) of PFP and am 
impressed by the ability to print test images to help selection of the 
optimum media settings, and also by the ability to refine a profile 
using the original measurements. However, I would probably have remained 
unconvinced had I not seen Keith Cooper's review 
(www.nothlightimages.co.uk)of the enhanced v.2 of the software.

Tim Mimpriss
--

CDTobie@... wrote:

> 
> And think of the fun you can have with PrintFIX PRO2 once you move on to 
> a newer printer... <G>
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Division
> DataColor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com

Thanks. I missed that because v2 was at the the bottom of the list.

Tim Mimpriss
--

CDTobie@... wrote:

> 
> In a message dated 3/25/07 4:56:07 AM, tim.mimpriss@... writes:
> 
> 
> You should be able to run the v2 version from the website in Demo mode 
> as well, to see the new Extended Grays target, the new controls, and the 
> SoftProof function etc...
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Division
> DataColor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com

I recently installed PFP 2 and today when I went to read the 729 expert
patches the colorimeter stopped working after about 275 reads. Is this
normal? Does it need to "recharge"? I tried plugging in to a different USB
port, no luck..... Suggestions?

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D A V I D    E M E R I C K
Digital Media Specialist
St. Mary's College of Maryland
dnemerick@...
http://www.smcm.edu/~dnemerick/
http://emerick.blogspot.com
http://smcmlibrary.blogspot.com

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Emerick <dnemerick@...> wrote:
>
> I recently installed PFP 2 and today when I went to read the 729 expert
> patches the colorimeter stopped working after about 275 reads. Is this
> normal? Does it need to "recharge"? I tried plugging in to a different USB
> port, no luck..... Suggestions?

What OS?

Sorry (DUH)

I have a dedicated G4 for printing and I recently upgraded to 10.4.9. I
suppose that could be the culprit.....

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Digital Media Specialist
St. Mary's College of Maryland
dnemerick@...
http://www.smcm.edu/~dnemerick/
http://emerick.blogspot.com
http://smcmlibrary.blogspot.com

From: John Vitollo 
> I recently installed PFP 2 and today when I went to read the 729 expert
> patches the colorimeter stopped working after about 275 reads. Is this
> normal? Does it need to "recharge"? I tried plugging in to a different USB
> port, no luck..... Suggestions?

What OS?

>>I recently installed PFP 2 and today when I went to read the 729 
expert
patches the colorimeter stopped working after about 275 reads. Is this
normal? Does it need to "recharge"? I tried plugging in to a different 
USB
port, no luck..... Suggestions?

You need to tell us what OS, what port you were using the first time, 
what port the second time, what "no luck" means, and whether the XML 
data file for your readings is in the PRO folder after communication is 
lost. Keep in mind that some computer front ports are not fully 
powered, and the keyboard ports are definately not fully powered, so a 
back port or a powered port (with a transformer connected to it and 
plugged in) are the only two assured ways to power a spectro.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dnemerick@...
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: [colorvision_group] Power issue with colorimeter

    I recently installed PFP 2 and today when I went to read the 729 
expert
patches the colorimeter stopped working after about 275 reads. Is this
normal? Does it need to "recharge"? I tried plugging in to a different 
USB
port, no luck..... Suggestions?

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D A V I D    E M E R I C K
Digital Media Specialist
St. Mary's College of Maryland
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http://emerick.blogspot.com
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>>I recently installed PFP 2 and today when I went to read the 729 
expert
patches the colorimeter stopped working after about 275 reads. Is this
normal? Does it need to "recharge"? I tried plugging in to a different 
USB
port, no luck..... Suggestions?

You need to tell us what OS, what port you were using the first time, 
what port the second time, what "no luck" means, and whether the XML 
data file for your readings is in the PRO folder after communication is 
lost. Keep in mind that some computer front ports are not fully 
powered, and the keyboard ports are definately not fully powered, so a 
back port or a powered port (with a transformer connected to it and 
plugged in) are the only two assured ways to power a spectro.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dnemerick@...
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: [colorvision_group] Power issue with colorimeter

    I recently installed PFP 2 and today when I went to read the 729 
expert
patches the colorimeter stopped working after about 275 reads. Is this
normal? Does it need to "recharge"? I tried plugging in to a different 
USB
port, no luck..... Suggestions?

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> D A V I D    E M E R I C K
> Digital Media Specialist
> St. Mary's College of Maryland
> dnemerick@...
> http://www.smcm.edu/~dnemerick/
> http://emerick.blogspot.com
> http://smcmlibrary.blogspot.com

David Emerick,

Yahoo is flagging your emails as spam and can not be posted until I approve the email.

Could be the spaces in-between your name or I I I I I I . Please change to see if that's the 
problem.

Sorry, I had to get a bite to eat. The XML file is in the PRO folder and I
was using the unit connected to the back USB port on the computer. I tried
using the second USB port (on the back) and the one on the back of the
monitor. I am aware of the power USB issues. No luck means no power to the
colorimeter, it just went dead.....

John ; Did this e-mail come through correctly?

Thanks guys for your thoughts!

David Emerick   


G4  
OS 10.4.9



You need to tell us what OS, what port you were using the first time,
what port the second time, what "no luck" means, and whether the XML
data file for your readings is in the PRO folder after communication is
lost. Keep in mind that some computer front ports are not fully
powered, and the keyboard ports are definately not fully powered, so a
back port or a powered port (with a transformer connected to it and
plugged in) are the only two assured ways to power a spectro.

C. David Tobie

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Emerick <dnemerick@...> wrote:
>
> John ; Did this e-mail come through correctly?

Yep!

Thanks!

>Sorry, I had to get a bite to eat. The XML file is in the PRO folder and I
>was using the unit connected to the back USB port on the computer. I tried
>using the second USB port (on the back) and the one on the back of the
>monitor. I am aware of the power USB issues. No luck means no power to the
>colorimeter, it just went dead.....
>

Make sure it's not the cable itself. Unplug the cable completely, from
both ends, and then plug it back in again firmly. (I seem to remember one
or two similar cases were the cable wasn't plugged all the way into the
back of the spectro)

Next question: if you do About This Mac, click on More Info, and select
USB: do you see a "Color Mouse III" item attached to your USB bus? (That's
the spectro).


-- 
David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
ColorVision

False alarm!!  I figured things out, perhaps because of the delirium of
reading too many 1/4 inch patches, after poking around I got the error
message that the spectro could not be found and needed to be re-associated.
I then opened my target and can now read and advance again, just 200 to go!
Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for your responses. I am sure I will be
back with hopefully some more intelligent queries.

Cheers


David Emerick   
Digital Media Specialist
St. Mary's College of Maryland
dnemerick@...
http://www.smcm.edu/~dnemerick/
http://emerick.blogspot.com
http://smcmlibrary.blogspot.com

Hey Dave E! nice to see you here :) hope you're having fun with ur 
Spectro!  currently i'm fighting with the Spyder. have done 5 
calibrations and still keep getting the light grays appearing 
yellowish. will post an official question about it after.

ghi

On 26-Mar-07, at 10:35 AM, David Emerick wrote:

>
>  False alarm!! I figured things out, perhaps because of the delirium of
>  reading too many 1/4 inch patches, after poking around I got the error
>  message that the spectro could not be found and needed to be 
> re-associated.
>  I then opened my target and can now read and advance again, just 200 
> to go!
>  Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for your responses. I am sure I 
> will be
>  back with hopefully some more intelligent queries.
>
>  Cheers
>
>  David Emerick
>  Digital Media Specialist
>  St. Mary's College of Maryland
> dnemerick@...
> http://www.smcm.edu/~dnemerick/
> http://emerick.blogspot.com
> http://smcmlibrary.blogspot.com
>

Hey Ghi!  Cheers!

I have another question for the big boys. Can I print multiple target
patches oat the same time? IOW I want to print both the gray scale patches
and the 225 color patches on the same sheet coming out of my 9600. It's
pretty wastefull to use just 12 inches or so of the 44" roll paper for each
patch printout.

Mac OS 10.4.9
PFP 2.0

Also is it bad to have both PFP 1 and PFP 2 on the machine, should I trash
PFP 1?

thanks


david emerick 
emerick.blogspot.com
www.smcm.edu/~dnemerick




>From: Ghi Stecyk 
>Hey Dave E! nice to see you here :)

>Hey Ghi! Cheers!
>
>I have another question for the big boys. Can I print multiple target
>patches oat the same time? IOW I want to print both the gray scale patches
>and the 225 color patches on the same sheet coming out of my 9600. It's
>pretty wastefull to use just 12 inches or so of the 44" roll paper for each
>patch printout.
>
>Mac OS 10.4.9
>PFP 2.0

PFP itself will print only one page at a time. If you want to print "from"
PFP and get more than one target on the same piece of paper, you'll have to
try to do this by combining page setup parameters with backing up the roll
and overprinting.

Or: you can open up the .tif versions of the targets, put them together in
Photoshop, and print them all at once. Look in the Targets subfolder, there
are .tif files for all of the internal targets in PFP. If you take this
approach, make sure that the images don't convert to a working space, or
have a profile assigned, when you open them in Photoshop (all of them are
untagged, and should remain that way after opening).


>Also is it bad to have both PFP 1 and PFP 2 on the machine, should I trash
>PFP 1?

With OSX, it doesn't matter, because each version has it's own complete
subfolder in Applications. You can keep both around, if you like, no harm
done.

(With Windows, it's not as simple... not because of the registry - PFP doesn't
use it - but because of the spectro driver. PFP 1 and 2 for Windows have
different spectro drivers, the one that gets installed with "2" is newer, and
you only want to have one driver installed at a time)

Best regards,

-- 
David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
ColorVision

Thanks for the responses CD, David Miller already mentioned the use of
Photoshop. It has worked just fine. Perhaps in the version 3 of the software
a sizing ability would make sense.

The only issue I am having now is that the shadow areas are too dark.
Adjusting the brightness slider washes out the highlight areas.

david emerick 

emerick.blogspot.com
www.smcm.edu/~dnemerick







You can use the TIFF format targets, combine as desired in Photoshop, and be
sure to print without color management (same as source, no driver color
management).

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
...
> My results on the DesignJet 30/90/120 printers is the PFP2 profiles 
for any 
> of them are better than the HP profiles (even a third party article 
reviewing 
> this question came to that same conclusion) and the PFP profiles 
are as good 
> for third party papers as they are for the HP ones (you can 
linearize the 
> Designjets to third party paper as easily as to HP paper). As for 
B&W, I don't find 
> the DesignJet's inks to be capable of stable, neutral B&W, though a 
PFP2 
> profile should offer the best B&W that this system can manage. 
Gallery quality B&W 
> will require a newer generation HP, Canon, or Epson graphics 
printer.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Division
> DataColor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
> 
I'am new to this group, so i saw your post not earlier. I own the PFP 
since last year and did not succeed in profiling HP-Media (Premium 
Plus satin and Premium Plus Glossy) for the DJ30. Prints show heavy 
yellow casts. Wouldt it be possible to get your profiles to compare 
with mine? May be my workflow in profiling or using the profils is 
wrong, with proven profils i shouldt have a chance to find the reason 
for my problem. 

Regards
    Georg