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RZ-1 memory upgrade?

RZ-1 memory upgrade?

2013-04-18 by Jack

Is it possible to upgrade the memory in my RZ-1 so it will hold more patterns/songs?

Thanks ,Jack

Re: RZ-1 memory upgrade?

2013-04-18 by likewhatisay

Here's the link to the service doc's Jack. I believe you would need to modify OS chips to alter the pattern storage. I don't think it would be easy or advisable. Graham may have more info.

--- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "Jack" <jackjohnaldson@...> wrote:
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> Is it possible to upgrade the memory in my RZ-1 so it will hold more patterns/songs?
> 
> Thanks ,Jack
>

Re: RZ-1 memory upgrade?

2013-04-18 by likewhatisay

http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/casiocollectors/files/RZ-1%20drum%20machine/Docs/

--- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "likewhatisay" <k-vin@...> wrote:
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>
> Here's the link to the service doc's Jack. I believe you would need to modify OS chips to alter the pattern storage. I don't think it would be easy or advisable. Graham may have more info.
> 
> --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "Jack" <jackjohnaldson@> wrote:
> >
> > Is it possible to upgrade the memory in my RZ-1 so it will hold more patterns/songs?
> > 
> > Thanks ,Jack
> >
>

Re: RZ-1 memory upgrade?

2013-04-18 by Jack

Thank you, I was hoping it would just be a memory upgrade like a computer oh well I guess need to build a cassette cable so I can back my patterns up. Any links for that?

--- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "likewhatisay" <k-vin@...> wrote:
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>
> http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/casiocollectors/files/RZ-1%20drum%20machine/Docs/
> 
> --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "likewhatisay" <k-vin@> wrote:
> >
> > Here's the link to the service doc's Jack. I believe you would need to modify OS chips to alter the pattern storage. I don't think it would be easy or advisable. Graham may have more info.
> > 
> > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "Jack" <jackjohnaldson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is it possible to upgrade the memory in my RZ-1 so it will hold more patterns/songs?
> > > 
> > > Thanks ,Jack
> > >
> >
>

Re: RZ-1 memory upgrade?

2013-04-19 by Graham

Hi Jack,

Yes, it is possible. You can do a memory expansion for the RZ which will expand both the sample memory and also the pattern and song memory. Kev and I were discussing doing the sample memory expansion a few posts ago. It just so happens that the RZ also stores its pattern and song data in the sample RAM, so expanding the sample RAM will automatically expand the song and pattern storage.

There are some limitations to the expansion though - for example, if a 16x expansion was done, you would get 16x the samples (64 now compared to the stock 4) and you would get 16x of the song and pattern capacity (16 x 60 patterns and 16 x 20 songs). The RZ does not add this extra memory to individual samples and patterns and songs - you get 16 extra RZ machines, all independent and isolated from each other. You simply switch between the 16 different RZ memories. 

So, for memory position 1, you have 4 samples, 60 patterns, 20 songs. You sample and sequence until these are full. Then you switch to memory position 2. You have another completely empty and available RZ woth of 4 samples, 60 patterns, 20 songs to fill up. Then you go to memory 2, 3, 4, etc.... until memory 16.

You also cannot write a pattern 1, in say, memory 1, and write another pattern 2, in memory 2, and use these patterns together in a song in memory 3. Each memory is isolated. This expansion doesn't use the processor, which is why it is both simple and easy to do, and also limited, as mentioned. But having said that, who would still refuse a 16x expanded RZ-1, if offered it, even with these limitations?? I wouldn't!!

Cheers, Graham



--- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "Jack" <jackjohnaldson@...> wrote:
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>
> Thank you, I was hoping it would just be a memory upgrade like a computer oh well I guess need to build a cassette cable so I can back my patterns up. Any links for that?
> 
> --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "likewhatisay" <k-vin@> wrote:
> >
> > http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/casiocollectors/files/RZ-1%20drum%20machine/Docs/
> > 
> > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "likewhatisay" <k-vin@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Here's the link to the service doc's Jack. I believe you would need to modify OS chips to alter the pattern storage. I don't think it would be easy or advisable. Graham may have more info.
> > > 
> > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "Jack" <jackjohnaldson@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible to upgrade the memory in my RZ-1 so it will hold more patterns/songs?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks ,Jack
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [casiocollectors] Re: RZ-1 memory upgrade?

2013-04-19 by Jack Johnaldson

That's way cool how do I get it?

Thanks, Jack
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On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:00 PM, "Graham" <gmeredith1@...> wrote:

> Hi Jack,
> 
> Yes, it is possible. You can do a memory expansion for the RZ which will expand both the sample memory and also the pattern and song memory. Kev and I were discussing doing the sample memory expansion a few posts ago. It just so happens that the RZ also stores its pattern and song data in the sample RAM, so expanding the sample RAM will automatically expand the song and pattern storage.
> 
> There are some limitations to the expansion though - for example, if a 16x expansion was done, you would get 16x the samples (64 now compared to the stock 4) and you would get 16x of the song and pattern capacity (16 x 60 patterns and 16 x 20 songs). The RZ does not add this extra memory to individual samples and patterns and songs - you get 16 extra RZ machines, all independent and isolated from each other. You simply switch between the 16 different RZ memories. 
> 
> So, for memory position 1, you have 4 samples, 60 patterns, 20 songs. You sample and sequence until these are full. Then you switch to memory position 2. You have another completely empty and available RZ woth of 4 samples, 60 patterns, 20 songs to fill up. Then you go to memory 2, 3, 4, etc.... until memory 16.
> 
> You also cannot write a pattern 1, in say, memory 1, and write another pattern 2, in memory 2, and use these patterns together in a song in memory 3. Each memory is isolated. This expansion doesn't use the processor, which is why it is both simple and easy to do, and also limited, as mentioned. But having said that, who would still refuse a 16x expanded RZ-1, if offered it, even with these limitations?? I wouldn't!!
> 
> Cheers, Graham
> 
> --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "Jack" <jackjohnaldson@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you, I was hoping it would just be a memory upgrade like a computer oh well I guess need to build a cassette cable so I can back my patterns up. Any links for that?
> > 
> > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "likewhatisay" <k-vin@> wrote:
> > >
> > > http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/casiocollectors/files/RZ-1%20drum%20machine/Docs/
> > > 
> > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "likewhatisay" <k-vin@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Here's the link to the service doc's Jack. I believe you would need to modify OS chips to alter the pattern storage. I don't think it would be easy or advisable. Graham may have more info.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In casiocollectors@...m.au, "Jack" <jackjohnaldson@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it possible to upgrade the memory in my RZ-1 so it will hold more patterns/songs?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks ,Jack
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
>

Re: RZ-1 memory upgrade?

2013-04-19 by Graham

Just watch this forum - Kev I think is going to attempt it on his one sometime soon - he's also expanding the ROM sounds in a similar way, I think he's doing them first. As far as I know, no one else has done the RAM expansion yet, and as I don't yet have an RZ myself, I can only say it's do-able from looking at the schematics. It should be almost the same as the SK5/8 expansion though - except the RZ has 2 RAM chips, so you just duplicate them - you can download the SK memory expansion guide to get an understanding of what's involved:

<http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/casiocollectors/files/SK%20series%20sampling%20keyboards/SK8/Mods/Sample%20memory%20expansion/>

cheers, Graham


--- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, Jack Johnaldson <jackjohnaldson@...> wrote:
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>
> That's way cool how do I get it?
> 
> Thanks, Jack
> 
> On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:00 PM, "Graham" <gmeredith1@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jack,
> > 
> > Yes, it is possible. You can do a memory expansion for the RZ which will expand both the sample memory and also the pattern and song memory. Kev and I were discussing doing the sample memory expansion a few posts ago. It just so happens that the RZ also stores its pattern and song data in the sample RAM, so expanding the sample RAM will automatically expand the song and pattern storage.
> > 
> > There are some limitations to the expansion though - for example, if a 16x expansion was done, you would get 16x the samples (64 now compared to the stock 4) and you would get 16x of the song and pattern capacity (16 x 60 patterns and 16 x 20 songs). The RZ does not add this extra memory to individual samples and patterns and songs - you get 16 extra RZ machines, all independent and isolated from each other. You simply switch between the 16 different RZ memories. 
> > 
> > So, for memory position 1, you have 4 samples, 60 patterns, 20 songs. You sample and sequence until these are full. Then you switch to memory position 2. You have another completely empty and available RZ woth of 4 samples, 60 patterns, 20 songs to fill up. Then you go to memory 2, 3, 4, etc.... until memory 16.
> > 
> > You also cannot write a pattern 1, in say, memory 1, and write another pattern 2, in memory 2, and use these patterns together in a song in memory 3. Each memory is isolated. This expansion doesn't use the processor, which is why it is both simple and easy to do, and also limited, as mentioned. But having said that, who would still refuse a 16x expanded RZ-1, if offered it, even with these limitations?? I wouldn't!!
> > 
> > Cheers, Graham
> > 
> > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "Jack" <jackjohnaldson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you, I was hoping it would just be a memory upgrade like a computer oh well I guess need to build a cassette cable so I can back my patterns up. Any links for that?
> > > 
> > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "likewhatisay" <k-vin@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/casiocollectors/files/RZ-1%20drum%20machine/Docs/
> > > > 
> > > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "likewhatisay" <k-vin@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's the link to the service doc's Jack. I believe you would need to modify OS chips to alter the pattern storage. I don't think it would be easy or advisable. Graham may have more info.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "Jack" <jackjohnaldson@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is it possible to upgrade the memory in my RZ-1 so it will hold more patterns/songs?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks ,Jack
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> >
>

Re: RZ-1 memory upgrade?

2013-04-19 by Graham

Actually, the mod would be pretty much identical in hardware to my Alesis MMT8 memory expansion, which does have 2 RAM chips in it, just like the RZ. Here's the MMT8 expansion guide:

http://www.warningwillrobinson.com.au/index_files/MMT8.htm

The RZ expansion would follow this almost exactly.

Cheers, Graham



--- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "Graham" <gmeredith1@...> wrote:
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>
> Just watch this forum - Kev I think is going to attempt it on his one sometime soon - he's also expanding the ROM sounds in a similar way, I think he's doing them first. As far as I know, no one else has done the RAM expansion yet, and as I don't yet have an RZ myself, I can only say it's do-able from looking at the schematics. It should be almost the same as the SK5/8 expansion though - except the RZ has 2 RAM chips, so you just duplicate them - you can download the SK memory expansion guide to get an understanding of what's involved:
> 
> <http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/casiocollectors/files/SK%20series%20sampling%20keyboards/SK8/Mods/Sample%20memory%20expansion/>
> 
> cheers, Graham
> 
> 
> --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, Jack Johnaldson <jackjohnaldson@> wrote:
> >
> > That's way cool how do I get it?
> > 
> > Thanks, Jack
> > 
> > On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:00 PM, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Jack,
> > > 
> > > Yes, it is possible. You can do a memory expansion for the RZ which will expand both the sample memory and also the pattern and song memory. Kev and I were discussing doing the sample memory expansion a few posts ago. It just so happens that the RZ also stores its pattern and song data in the sample RAM, so expanding the sample RAM will automatically expand the song and pattern storage.
> > > 
> > > There are some limitations to the expansion though - for example, if a 16x expansion was done, you would get 16x the samples (64 now compared to the stock 4) and you would get 16x of the song and pattern capacity (16 x 60 patterns and 16 x 20 songs). The RZ does not add this extra memory to individual samples and patterns and songs - you get 16 extra RZ machines, all independent and isolated from each other. You simply switch between the 16 different RZ memories. 
> > > 
> > > So, for memory position 1, you have 4 samples, 60 patterns, 20 songs. You sample and sequence until these are full. Then you switch to memory position 2. You have another completely empty and available RZ woth of 4 samples, 60 patterns, 20 songs to fill up. Then you go to memory 2, 3, 4, etc.... until memory 16.
> > > 
> > > You also cannot write a pattern 1, in say, memory 1, and write another pattern 2, in memory 2, and use these patterns together in a song in memory 3. Each memory is isolated. This expansion doesn't use the processor, which is why it is both simple and easy to do, and also limited, as mentioned. But having said that, who would still refuse a 16x expanded RZ-1, if offered it, even with these limitations?? I wouldn't!!
> > > 
> > > Cheers, Graham
> > > 
> > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "Jack" <jackjohnaldson@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you, I was hoping it would just be a memory upgrade like a computer oh well I guess need to build a cassette cable so I can back my patterns up. Any links for that?
> > > > 
> > > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "likewhatisay" <k-vin@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/casiocollectors/files/RZ-1%20drum%20machine/Docs/
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "likewhatisay" <k-vin@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here's the link to the service doc's Jack. I believe you would need to modify OS chips to alter the pattern storage. I don't think it would be easy or advisable. Graham may have more info.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "Jack" <jackjohnaldson@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is it possible to upgrade the memory in my RZ-1 so it will hold more patterns/songs?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thanks ,Jack
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > >
> >
>

Re: RZ-1 memory upgrade?

2013-07-21 by kasiofz

Hi all,
Did anyone managed to make the RAM modification? I was looking at the schematics and noticed that the RAM chips on the RZ1 have different pinout then those on the SK8 and MMT8. If you look at the RZ1 schematics you will notice that the RZ1 RAM chips have two chip enable inputs (CE1 and CE2). The SK8, MMT8 and modern RAM chips have one CE input (active low) and in the place of the CE2 input they have an address input. So I think that this mod is undoable. Please share your thoughts..
Thanks 

--- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "Graham" <gmeredith1@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Actually, the mod would be pretty much identical in hardware to my Alesis MMT8 memory expansion, which does have 2 RAM chips in it, just like the RZ. Here's the MMT8 expansion guide:
> 
> http://www.warningwillrobinson.com.au/index_files/MMT8.htm
> 
> The RZ expansion would follow this almost exactly.
> 
> Cheers, Graham
> 
> 
> 
> --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote:
> >
> > Just watch this forum - Kev I think is going to attempt it on his one sometime soon - he's also expanding the ROM sounds in a similar way, I think he's doing them first. As far as I know, no one else has done the RAM expansion yet, and as I don't yet have an RZ myself, I can only say it's do-able from looking at the schematics. It should be almost the same as the SK5/8 expansion though - except the RZ has 2 RAM chips, so you just duplicate them - you can download the SK memory expansion guide to get an understanding of what's involved:
> > 
> > <http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/casiocollectors/files/SK%20series%20sampling%20keyboards/SK8/Mods/Sample%20memory%20expansion/>
> > 
> > cheers, Graham
> > 
> > 
> > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, Jack Johnaldson <jackjohnaldson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's way cool how do I get it?
> > > 
> > > Thanks, Jack
> > > 
> > > On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:00 PM, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hi Jack,
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, it is possible. You can do a memory expansion for the RZ which will expand both the sample memory and also the pattern and song memory. Kev and I were discussing doing the sample memory expansion a few posts ago. It just so happens that the RZ also stores its pattern and song data in the sample RAM, so expanding the sample RAM will automatically expand the song and pattern storage.
> > > > 
> > > > There are some limitations to the expansion though - for example, if a 16x expansion was done, you would get 16x the samples (64 now compared to the stock 4) and you would get 16x of the song and pattern capacity (16 x 60 patterns and 16 x 20 songs). The RZ does not add this extra memory to individual samples and patterns and songs - you get 16 extra RZ machines, all independent and isolated from each other. You simply switch between the 16 different RZ memories. 
> > > > 
> > > > So, for memory position 1, you have 4 samples, 60 patterns, 20 songs. You sample and sequence until these are full. Then you switch to memory position 2. You have another completely empty and available RZ woth of 4 samples, 60 patterns, 20 songs to fill up. Then you go to memory 2, 3, 4, etc.... until memory 16.
> > > > 
> > > > You also cannot write a pattern 1, in say, memory 1, and write another pattern 2, in memory 2, and use these patterns together in a song in memory 3. Each memory is isolated. This expansion doesn't use the processor, which is why it is both simple and easy to do, and also limited, as mentioned. But having said that, who would still refuse a 16x expanded RZ-1, if offered it, even with these limitations?? I wouldn't!!
> > > > 
> > > > Cheers, Graham
> > > > 
> > > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "Jack" <jackjohnaldson@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you, I was hoping it would just be a memory upgrade like a computer oh well I guess need to build a cassette cable so I can back my patterns up. Any links for that?
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "likewhatisay" <k-vin@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/casiocollectors/files/RZ-1%20drum%20machine/Docs/
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "likewhatisay" <k-vin@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here's the link to the service doc's Jack. I believe you would need to modify OS chips to alter the pattern storage. I don't think it would be easy or advisable. Graham may have more info.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, "Jack" <jackjohnaldson@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is it possible to upgrade the memory in my RZ-1 so it will hold more patterns/songs?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Thanks ,Jack
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [casiocollectors] Re: RZ-1 memory upgrade?

2013-07-22 by Kev!

I've stalled on my RAM upgrade on my RZ-1 do to the switching issue. I'm still unsure how to switch in the extra lines. I wanted a six-way standard rotary, but I would need at least a 2 pole 6 throw I think. 

I'm thinking the 4bit hex encoder that Graham used on the MMT8 is the way to go but need to study his guide more. 

I'm guessing the RZ-1 will not like having the extra memory switched in on the fly, making this mod even less attractive for live use. 

----- Original Message -----
From: "kasiofz" <kasiofz@...m> 
To: casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au 
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:46:28 PM 
Subject: [casiocollectors] Re: RZ-1 memory upgrade? 






Hi all, 
Did anyone managed to make the RAM modification? I was looking at the schematics and noticed that the RAM chips on the RZ1 have different pinout then those on the SK8 and MMT8. If you look at the RZ1 schematics you will notice that the RZ1 RAM chips have two chip enable inputs (CE1 and CE2). The SK8, MMT8 and modern RAM chips have one CE input (active low) and in the place of the CE2 input they have an address input. So I think that this mod is undoable. Please share your thoughts.. 
Thanks 

--- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au , "Graham" <gmeredith1@...> wrote: 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> Actually, the mod would be pretty much identical in hardware to my Alesis MMT8 memory expansion, which does have 2 RAM chips in it, just like the RZ. Here's the MMT8 expansion guide: 
> 
> http://www.warningwillrobinson.com.au/index_files/MMT8.htm 
> 
> The RZ expansion would follow this almost exactly. 
> 
> Cheers, Graham 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au , "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: 
> > 
> > Just watch this forum - Kev I think is going to attempt it on his one sometime soon - he's also expanding the ROM sounds in a similar way, I think he's doing them first. As far as I know, no one else has done the RAM expansion yet, and as I don't yet have an RZ myself, I can only say it's do-able from looking at the schematics. It should be almost the same as the SK5/8 expansion though - except the RZ has 2 RAM chips, so you just duplicate them - you can download the SK memory expansion guide to get an understanding of what's involved: 
> > 
> > < http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/casiocollectors/files/SK%20series%20sampling%20keyboards/SK8/Mods/Sample%20memory%20expansion/ > 
> > 
> > cheers, Graham 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au , Jack Johnaldson <jackjohnaldson@> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > That's way cool how do I get it? 
> > > 
> > > Thanks, Jack 
> > > 
> > > On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:00 PM, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > Hi Jack, 
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, it is possible. You can do a memory expansion for the RZ which will expand both the sample memory and also the pattern and song memory. Kev and I were discussing doing the sample memory expansion a few posts ago. It just so happens that the RZ also stores its pattern and song data in the sample RAM, so expanding the sample RAM will automatically expand the song and pattern storage. 
> > > > 
> > > > There are some limitations to the expansion though - for example, if a 16x expansion was done, you would get 16x the samples (64 now compared to the stock 4) and you would get 16x of the song and pattern capacity (16 x 60 patterns and 16 x 20 songs). The RZ does not add this extra memory to individual samples and patterns and songs - you get 16 extra RZ machines, all independent and isolated from each other. You simply switch between the 16 different RZ memories. 
> > > > 
> > > > So, for memory position 1, you have 4 samples, 60 patterns, 20 songs. You sample and sequence until these are full. Then you switch to memory position 2. You have another completely empty and available RZ woth of 4 samples, 60 patterns, 20 songs to fill up. Then you go to memory 2, 3, 4, etc.... until memory 16. 
> > > > 
> > > > You also cannot write a pattern 1, in say, memory 1, and write another pattern 2, in memory 2, and use these patterns together in a song in memory 3. Each memory is isolated. This expansion doesn't use the processor, which is why it is both simple and easy to do, and also limited, as mentioned. But having said that, who would still refuse a 16x expanded RZ-1, if offered it, even with these limitations?? I wouldn't!! 
> > > > 
> > > > Cheers, Graham 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au , "Jack" <jackjohnaldson@> wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thank you, I was hoping it would just be a memory upgrade like a computer oh well I guess need to build a cassette cable so I can back my patterns up. Any links for that? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au , "likewhatisay" <k-vin@> wrote: 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/casiocollectors/files/RZ-1%20drum%20machine/Docs/ 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au , "likewhatisay" <k-vin@> wrote: 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Here's the link to the service doc's Jack. I believe you would need to modify OS chips to alter the pattern storage. I don't think it would be easy or advisable. Graham may have more info. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au , "Jack" <jackjohnaldson@> wrote: 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Is it possible to upgrade the memory in my RZ-1 so it will hold more patterns/songs? 
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Re: RZ-1 memory upgrade?

2013-07-22 by Graham

The 4-bit rotary encoder is definitely the most convenient way. But you can use something as simple as 4 toggle switches, or a 4-way DIP switch.

Changing memory on the fly - yes you WILL be able to!! I have done the memory expansion now on an SK8, SK60 and a DM100 and you can switch the memories on the fly while playing. If you switch half way while holding down a note, the first sample will play, and then the second half of the second sample will cut in and play to its end. 

If you flip through the memories really quickly (the rotary encoder is great for this) you get this stuttering CD-skipping type effect as you hold down a key and play whilst scrolling. I don't see any reason for the RZ-1 to behave any differently - it has the same sampling hardware as the SK samplers.

Cheers, Graham

--- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, Kev! <k-vin@...> wrote:
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> I've stalled on my RAM upgrade on my RZ-1 do to the switching issue. I'm still unsure how to switch in the extra lines. I wanted a six-way standard rotary, but I would need at least a 2 pole 6 throw I think. 
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> I'm thinking the 4bit hex encoder that Graham used on the MMT8 is the way to go but need to study his guide more. 
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> I'm guessing the RZ-1 will not like having the extra memory switched in on the fly, making this mod even less attractive for live use. 
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> From: "kasiofz" <kasiofz@...> 
> To: casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au 
> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:46:28 PM 
> Subject: [casiocollectors] Re: RZ-1 memory upgrade? 
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> Hi all, 
> Did anyone managed to make the RAM modification? I was looking at the schematics and noticed that the RAM chips on the RZ1 have different pinout then those on the SK8 and MMT8. If you look at the RZ1 schematics you will notice that the RZ1 RAM chips have two chip enable inputs (CE1 and CE2). The SK8, MMT8 and modern RAM chips have one CE input (active low) and in the place of the CE2 input they have an address input. So I think that this mod is undoable. Please share your thoughts.. 
> Thanks 
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> --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au , "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: 
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> > Actually, the mod would be pretty much identical in hardware to my Alesis MMT8 memory expansion, which does have 2 RAM chips in it, just like the RZ. Here's the MMT8 expansion guide: 
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> > http://www.warningwillrobinson.com.au/index_files/MMT8.htm 
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> > The RZ expansion would follow this almost exactly. 
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> > Cheers, Graham 
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> > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au , "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: 
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> > > Just watch this forum - Kev I think is going to attempt it on his one sometime soon - he's also expanding the ROM sounds in a similar way, I think he's doing them first. As far as I know, no one else has done the RAM expansion yet, and as I don't yet have an RZ myself, I can only say it's do-able from looking at the schematics. It should be almost the same as the SK5/8 expansion though - except the RZ has 2 RAM chips, so you just duplicate them - you can download the SK memory expansion guide to get an understanding of what's involved: 
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> > > cheers, Graham 
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> > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au , Jack Johnaldson <jackjohnaldson@> wrote: 
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> > > > That's way cool how do I get it? 
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> > > > Thanks, Jack 
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> > > > On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:00 PM, "Graham" <gmeredith1@> wrote: 
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> > > > > Hi Jack, 
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> > > > > Yes, it is possible. You can do a memory expansion for the RZ which will expand both the sample memory and also the pattern and song memory. Kev and I were discussing doing the sample memory expansion a few posts ago. It just so happens that the RZ also stores its pattern and song data in the sample RAM, so expanding the sample RAM will automatically expand the song and pattern storage. 
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> > > > > There are some limitations to the expansion though - for example, if a 16x expansion was done, you would get 16x the samples (64 now compared to the stock 4) and you would get 16x of the song and pattern capacity (16 x 60 patterns and 16 x 20 songs). The RZ does not add this extra memory to individual samples and patterns and songs - you get 16 extra RZ machines, all independent and isolated from each other. You simply switch between the 16 different RZ memories. 
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> > > > > Cheers, Graham 
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> > > > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au , "Jack" <jackjohnaldson@> wrote: 
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> > > > > > Thank you, I was hoping it would just be a memory upgrade like a computer oh well I guess need to build a cassette cable so I can back my patterns up. Any links for that? 
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> > > > > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au , "likewhatisay" <k-vin@> wrote: 
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> > > > > > > http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/casiocollectors/files/RZ-1%20drum%20machine/Docs/ 
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> > > > > > > --- In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au , "likewhatisay" <k-vin@> wrote: 
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> > > > > > > > Here's the link to the service doc's Jack. I believe you would need to modify OS chips to alter the pattern storage. I don't think it would be easy or advisable. Graham may have more info. 
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Re:: RZ-1 memory upgrade?

2015-03-16 by k-vin@...

Hi Graham, I'm finally completing my RZ-1 memory expansion, but for the life of me cannot find any 4-bit, push button, numerical encoders as described in your excellent MMT8 memory expansion article. Jameco part 577117 is not showing up. Do you happen to know where to find one of these devils? I've tried a bunch of search terms but I'm only finding rotaries.

Thanks,
Kevin

Re:: RZ-1 memory upgrade?

2015-03-16 by gmeredith1@...

Hi Kevin,


Here is the exact one I have, from an Australian supplier:


S3316A 0-15 BCD Mini Thumbwheel Switch - Altronics


Here is another US place that looks the same as mine as well:


PHGA-3114 CHERRY ELECTRICAL SWITCH THUMBWHEEL HEX BLK MATTE


Good to hear the project is nearly done! Hope it goes wqell.


Cheers. Graham





---In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, <k-vin@comcast.net> wrote :

Hi Graham, I'm finally completing my RZ-1 memory expansion, but for the life of me cannot find any 4-bit, push button, numerical encoders as described in your excellent MMT8 memory expansion article. Jameco part 577117 is not showing up. Do you happen to know where to find one of these devils? I've tried a bunch of search terms but I'm only finding rotaries.

Thanks,
Kevin

Re: [casiocollectors] Re:: RZ-1 memory upgrade?

2015-03-17 by Kev!

Thanks man!
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> On Mar 16, 2015, at 6:16 PM, gmeredith1@... [casiocollectors] <casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:
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> S3316A 0-15 BCD Mini Thumbwheel Switch - Altronics
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> S3316A 0-15 BCD Mini Thumbwheel Switch - Altronics
> Panel mount mini BCD coded selector switches. Each unit is engraved (white on black). Output is coded in BCD with 8-4-2-1 weighting. Gold plated PCB tracks and connections. Panel cutout 8 x 14mm. Available as octal (8 positions) or hex (16 positions). Eac
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> ---In casiocollectors@yahoogroups.com.au, <k-vin@...> wrote :
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> Hi Graham, I'm finally completing my RZ-1 memory expansion, but for the life of me cannot find any 4-bit, push button, numerical encoders as described in your excellent MMT8 memory expansion article. Jameco part 577117 is not showing up. Do you happen to know where to find one of these devils? I've tried a bunch of search terms but I'm only finding rotaries.
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> Thanks, 
> Kevin
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