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From: tetishirt
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:27 AM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] looking for a simmons kit to buy



hi guys,
i have no experience in edrums, just accoustic, but due to my limited
space in my flat, and the limited acceptance of my neighbours, i am
looking to buy a used simmons kit incl. controller.

i am based in the UK, if anyone here knows where to get it, would
really apprechiate any hints.

cheers
stefan





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> hi guys,
> i have no experience in edrums, just accoustic, but due to my limited
> space in my flat, and the limited acceptance of my neighbours, i am
> looking to buy a used simmons kit incl. controller.
>
> i am based in the UK, if anyone here knows where to get it, would
> really apprechiate any hints.
>
> cheers
> stefan

> I do wonder why Dave Simmons never made any 'cymbals', it seems odd.

> It seems funny that not many people seem to be doing this now, I mean
> triggering samples and stuff from their drum kits..

> I personally enjoy the analogue sound best, but otherwise I agree. And doing
> it behind a six-edged drum is even cooler!

> do you really know the Simmons ?

> The 1st cymbal had been made for the SDSV (with the famous pyramid pad that
> you can notice on the Yes 9012 Tour), the SDS7 had some too , both were an
> Eprom technology (about the SDSV ; for HH & cymbals sounds of course not the
> analog part ..) !

> & Then the SDX with the moving Zone Intelligent pads & a choke area to stop
> the sound... 9 Multisampled cymbals ' sounds per pad sampled 16 bits &
> 44khz....

> but paul... nearly each professional Drummer has a DDrum trigger on snare &
> bass Drum & is triggering some studio snares samples or whatever ...

> The other fact is that most of drummers are playing over loops now so they
> don't need triggering many sounds as we did 15 years ago where we did some
> sort of live loops... The all Drumkit 's role in the contemporary
> arrangements changed ...

> By the way, I looked quickly at the Simmonssynths site , if you allow me , I
> think the SDSV was released as a basic 5 piece kit expandable to 6 or 7
> modules,
> I don't think you could buy the brain with 3 modules in it without asking a
> special order(even so )...

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul.Maddox.Mail-list@...
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] looking for a simmons kit to buy


Patrice,

> do you really know the Simmons ?

not that well I'm afraid, always loved the sound and got myself and SDS8, and an
SDS6 on its way..

> The 1st cymbal had been made for the SDSV (with the famous pyramid pad that
> you can notice on the Yes 9012 Tour), the SDS7 had some too , both were an
> Eprom technology (about the SDSV ; for HH & cymbals sounds of course not the
> analog part ..) !

I remember seeing the module, but never the actually cymbal its-self.
Therefore anypads would do the job just the shape was different ....
I have to look in the HD & see if I still have one photo ...

> & Then the SDX with the moving Zone Intelligent pads & a choke area to stop
> the sound... 9 Multisampled cymbals ' sounds per pad sampled 16 bits &
> 44khz....

<homer simpson mode>
Hmm, SDX.....
</homer simpson mode>

> but paul... nearly each professional Drummer has a DDrum trigger on snare &
> bass Drum & is triggering some studio snares samples or whatever ...

but not something you see a lot of bands doing, at least not live ones.
I understand the pro in the studio does, but why shouldn't small local bands?

I'm not talking about studio , in studio they don't anymore I think as there's a functiun in ProTools for example called "Sound Replacer", you just take the wave form of your different snares, toms as trigging point ...etc...& you assign another sample directly that will follow dynamics...
Metal bands are using triggers to trigg noise gate sometimes ...
In fact, I'm talking about live Gigs, most of the time there are some triggers...not in jazz I presume, but metal bands have some, pop bands etc...Maybe it depends in what countries, I've seen it a lot in France, in Italy , in UK too...from the 90's to recently ...
Local bands don't necessary have the money to buy a DDrum3 (the only very reliable & professional kit specialised in acoustic triggering ), & Simmons is sadly old school for the moment... I consider roland & Yamaha not convincing ...
Or the local bands don't have an album sound that obliges the samples ...In local bands , I often bring my DDrum 3, & I will soon bring an SDSV , 3 , or 7 to add a bit of magic in all that...

> The other fact is that most of drummers are playing over loops now so they
> don't need triggering many sounds as we did 15 years ago where we did some
> sort of live loops... The all Drumkit 's role in the contemporary
> arrangements changed ...

I agree, the whole 'concept' of a band has changed, no-one seems to play a whole
tune and record it, they all seem to do 'bits'..

yes , this is the actual way of doing things...it might change again ...I think It's coming from the Drumloops use which is creating a certain sound on the whole track...

I understand the need for
perfection in the studio, but what about the music?
Maybe, I'm just getting old :-)

I think it's just a matter of the way it sounds...
fashion !!!
It must be for the same reason that SImmons went "on the Edge" & that we all want one now ...

> By the way, I looked quickly at the Simmonssynths site , if you allow me , I
> think the SDSV was released as a basic 5 piece kit expandable to 6 or 7
> modules,
> I don't think you could buy the brain with 3 modules in it without asking a
> special order(even so )...

odd, A friend of mine bought an SDS5 with just 3 modules in, so I assumed that
was the low spec...

I might be wrong too , but it seems exceptionnal..maybe following the country needs again ...
I know there has been some special hardware for US for example...
I'll fix that, thanks.
You're welcome !
bye. Patrice.
Paul





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> Dear all,
>
> The new site is up.
> Only got one problem with one document, the SDX user guide, I can't add the
> last
> page and protect it (not sure why yet), so that ones not up.
> I'll be adding a list of contributers to the first page, this will save any
> list
> members from being pestered for originals of documents from un-scrupulous
> people wishing to sell them.
> Some of the documents aer quite big, and in the next few days, I'll be
> adding
> sizes in brackets after each link, like this "Flyer (2Mb)"
>
> Clicking on the red pad or simmons logo takes you back to the first page.
>
> Anyway, suggestions and comments welcome
>
> Paul
>
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> If someone can advise me, I'd be happy to put up some SDX original
> files in native format. congrats on the site. i'm happy to share
> anything i have with you.

> Therefore anypads would do the job just the shape was different ....
> I have to look in the HD & see if I still have one photo ...

> I'm not talking about studio , in studio they
> don't anymore I think as there's a functiun in ProTools for example called
> "Sound Replacer", you just take the wave form of your different snares, toms
> as trigging point ...etc...& you assign another sample directly that will
> follow dynamics...

> Metal bands are using triggers to trigg noise gate sometimes ...
> In fact, I'm talking about live Gigs, most of the time there are some
> triggers...not in jazz I presume, but metal bands have some, pop bands
> etc...Maybe it depends in what countries, I've seen it a lot in France, in
> Italy , in UK too...from the 90's to recently ...

> Local bands don't necessary have the money to buy a DDrum3 (the only very
> reliable & professional kit specialised in acoustic triggering ), & Simmons is
> sadly old school for the moment... I consider roland & Yamaha not convincing
> ...

> Or the local bands don't have an album sound that obliges the samples ...In
> local bands , I often bring my DDrum 3, & I will soon bring an SDSV , 3 , or 7
> to add a bit of magic in all that...

> yes , this is the actual way of doing things...it might
> change again ...I think It's coming from the Drumloops use which is creating a
> certain sound on the whole track...

> I think it's just a matter of the way it sounds...
> fashion !!!

> It must be for the same reason that SImmons went "on the Edge" & that we all
> want one now ...

> I might be wrong too , but it seems exceptionnal..maybe
> following the country needs again ...

> If someone can advise me, I'd be happy to put up some SDX original
> files in native format. congrats on the site. i'm happy to share
> anything i have with you.

> your site have grown since i was therel ast time a couple of weeks ago, no
> mp3's yet, but i will try to send some to you if you want?

> that closeup-link pict of black SDSV set with green background ain't working,
> check it out....

> thx for your site, its great!!! now i will hit my "dangerous" sdsv-pads....
> ohh... just to mention, i'm not a drummer.... at all!! just like to hit the
> pads "flam" and "roll"