Looking for schematics for SDS IV
2005-01-14 by James Walker
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2005-01-14 by James Walker
2005-01-14 by Thomas Williamson
2005-01-15 by James Walker
On 14 Jan 2005, at 22:23, Thomas Williamson wrote:
> Hello James, I'm Tom, also a new member of the group.
> I have a set of schematics, waveform flowcharts and service notes for
> my SDS-III, the SDS-IV (also called the 'Combo' by Musicaid) is a 2
> channel version without the 'special effects' channel, this info may
> be of some use to you.
>
> I got the documents from Dave Simmons back in 1979, most of it is
> hand drawn, probably by the Guru himself !
> My original docs. were photocopies which were done on that old
> photocopy paper that deteriorates with age, but I have scanned and
> enhanced them and everything is legible.
>
> The docs. exist as 7 jpegs totalling approx. 9 megs.
> If there is enough interest in these ancient scriptures I will upload
> them to the 'files' area or,
> I can email the individual files to you.
> Let me know.
> Tom.
> ps.� in case anyone hasn't spotted it, there is an SDS-III for sale
> on eBay (not mine).
>
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> James Walker <James@...> wrote:
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> Hi ,
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> I'm new to the list and I have a Musicaid SDS IV that I need to repair
> and I wanted to know where I could download any information on it ?.
> Thanks
> James
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> Many thanks
> James walker
> Synth Repair Services.
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2005-01-16 by Tom Williamson
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Walker" <James@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Looking for schematics for SDS IV
Hi Tom ,
That would be great if you could mail them to me as individual files .
The Only Schematics I can offer the group is a poor (or incomplete !)
set for the SDS 9 . If anyone wants I'll scan what I have .
Thanks for your help and information on the SDS IV , I'll give an
update on my progress .
All the best
James Walker
On 14 Jan 2005, at 22:23, Thomas Williamson wrote:
> Hello James, I'm Tom, also a new member of the group.
> I have a set of schematics, waveform flowcharts and service notes for
> my SDS-III, the SDS-IV (also called the 'Combo' by Musicaid) is a 2
> channel version without the 'special effects' channel, this info may
> be of some use to you.
>
> I got the documents from Dave Simmons back in 1979, most of it is
> hand drawn, probably by the Guru himself !
> My original docs. were photocopies which were done on that old
> photocopy paper that deteriorates with age, but I have scanned and
> enhanced them and everything is legible.
>
> The docs. exist as 7 jpegs totalling approx. 9 megs.
> If there is enough interest in these ancient scriptures I will upload
> them to the 'files' area or,
> I can email the individual files to you.
> Let me know.
> Tom.
> ps. in case anyone hasn't spotted it, there is an SDS-III for sale
> on eBay (not mine).
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> James Walker <James@...> wrote:
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> Hi ,
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> I'm new to the list and I have a Musicaid SDS IV that I need to repair
> and I wanted to know where I could download any information on it ?.
> Thanks
> James
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> Many thanks
> James walker
> Synth Repair Services.
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2005-01-16 by Paul Maddox (Mail LIsts)
> I couldn't upload the SDS 3 files to the user group 'files' area (no roomInteresting, spot the moog ladder filter :-)
> left) so I have put them on my web site - www.tomdw.com
> I am sure you will find the documentation very useful, I certainly didI was thinking about starting a simmons webpage on my server, something like
2005-01-16 by Tom Williamson
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From: "Paul Maddox (Mail LIsts)" <Paul.Maddox.Mail-list@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Looking for schematics for SDS IV
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> Tom,
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> > I couldn't upload the SDS 3 files to the user group 'files' area (no
room
> > left) so I have put them on my web site - www.tomdw.com
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> Interesting, spot the moog ladder filter :-)
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> > I am sure you will find the documentation very useful, I certainly did
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> I was thinking about starting a simmons webpage on my server, something
like
> 'Www.Simmons.Synth.net' ?
> Perhaps we could use these to start, if you don't mind.
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2005-01-17 by jesper@electronic-obsession.se
> I'm new to the list and I have a Musicaid SDS IV that I need to repairYou can't, but it's very basic on the inside though sounding fantastic. One
> and I wanted to know where I could download any information on it ?.
> Many thanksSo it isn't _your_ SDS-IV? Or?
> James walker
> Synth Repair Services.
2005-01-17 by jesper@electronic-obsession.se
> Hello James, I'm Tom, also a new member of the group.SDS-III, the SDS-IV (also called the 'Combo' by Musicaid) is a 2 channel
> I have a set of schematics, waveform flowcharts and service notes for my
> I got the documents from Dave Simmons back in 1979, most of it is handdrawn, probably by the Guru himself !
> My original docs. were photocopies which were done on that old photocopypaper that deteriorates with age, but I have scanned and enhanced them and
>to the 'files' area or,
> The docs. exist as 7 jpegs totalling approx. 9 megs.
> If there is enough interest in these ancient scriptures I will upload them
> I can email the individual files to you.Upload, upload, UPLOAD!!!
> Let me know.eBay (not mine).
> Tom.
> ps. in case anyone hasn't spotted it, there is an SDS-III for sale on
2005-01-17 by jesper@electronic-obsession.se
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Williamson" <tom@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Looking for schematics for SDS IV
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> Hi James,
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> I couldn't upload the SDS 3 files to the user group 'files' area (no room
> left)
> so I have put them on my web site - www.tomdw.com
>
> Just click on the SIMMONS drum to bring up my 'SIMMONS stuff' page then
> either view or 'save target as' to download,
> let me know if you have any problems and please let me know what you think
> of the documentation.
>
> I am sure you will find the documentation very useful, I certainly did
>
> Best Regards
>
> Tom.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Walker" <James@...>
> To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Looking for schematics for SDS IV
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> Hi Tom ,
> That would be great if you could mail them to me as individual files .
> The Only Schematics I can offer the group is a poor (or incomplete !)
> set for the SDS 9 . If anyone wants I'll scan what I have .
> Thanks for your help and information on the SDS IV , I'll give an
> update on my progress .
>
> All the best
> James Walker
>
> On 14 Jan 2005, at 22:23, Thomas Williamson wrote:
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> > Hello James, I'm Tom, also a new member of the group.
> > I have a set of schematics, waveform flowcharts and service notes for
> > my SDS-III, the SDS-IV (also called the 'Combo' by Musicaid) is a 2
> > channel version without the 'special effects' channel, this info may
> > be of some use to you.
> >
> > I got the documents from Dave Simmons back in 1979, most of it is
> > hand drawn, probably by the Guru himself !
> > My original docs. were photocopies which were done on that old
> > photocopy paper that deteriorates with age, but I have scanned and
> > enhanced them and everything is legible.
> >
> > The docs. exist as 7 jpegs totalling approx. 9 megs.
> > If there is enough interest in these ancient scriptures I will upload
> > them to the 'files' area or,
> > I can email the individual files to you.
> > Let me know.
> > Tom.
> > ps. in case anyone hasn't spotted it, there is an SDS-III for sale
> > on eBay (not mine).
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> > James Walker <James@...> wrote:
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> > Hi ,
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> > I'm new to the list and I have a Musicaid SDS IV that I need to repair
> > and I wanted to know where I could download any information on it ?.
> > Thanks
> > James
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> > Many thanks
> > James walker
> > Synth Repair Services.
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2005-01-17 by James Walker
On 16 Jan 2005, at 18:55, Tom Williamson wrote:
> Hi James,
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> I couldn't upload the SDS 3 files to the user group 'files' area� (no
> room
> left)
> so I have put them on my web site - www.tomdw.com
>
> Just click on the SIMMONS drum to bring up my 'SIMMONS stuff' page
> then
> either view or 'save target as' to download,
> let me know if you have any problems and please let me know what you
> think
> of the documentation.
>
> I am sure you will find the documentation very useful, I certainly did
>
> Best Regards
>
> Tom.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Walker" <James@...>
> To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Looking for schematics for SDS IV
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> Hi Tom� ,
> That would be great if you could mail them to me as individual files .
> The Only Schematics I can offer the group is a poor (or incomplete !)
> set for the SDS 9 . If anyone wants I'll scan what I have .
> Thanks for your help and information on the SDS IV , I'll give an
> update on my progress� .
>
> All the best
> James Walker
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> On 14 Jan 2005, at 22:23, Thomas Williamson wrote:
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> > Hello James, I'm Tom, also a new member of the group.
> >� I have a set of schematics, waveform flowcharts and service notes
> for
> > my SDS-III, the SDS-IV (also called the 'Combo' by Musicaid) is a 2
> > channel version without the 'special effects' channel, this info may
> > be of some use to you.
> >
> >� I got the documents from Dave Simmons back in 1979, most of it is
> > hand drawn, probably by the Guru himself !
> >� My original docs. were photocopies which were done on that old
> > photocopy paper that deteriorates with age, but I have scanned and
> > enhanced them and everything is legible.
> >
> >� The docs. exist as 7 jpegs totalling approx. 9 megs.
> >� If there is enough interest in these ancient scriptures I will
> upload
> > them to the 'files' area or,
> >� I can email the individual files to you.
> >� Let me know.
> >� Tom.
> >� ps. in case anyone hasn't spotted it, there is an SDS-III for sale
> > on eBay (not mine).
> >
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> >� James Walker <James@...> wrote:
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> >� Hi ,
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> >� I'm new to the list and I have a Musicaid SDS IV that I need to
> repair
> >� and I wanted to know where I could download any information on it
> ?.
> >� Thanks
> >� James
> >
> >� Many thanks
> >� James walker
> >� Synth Repair Services.
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2005-01-17 by jesper@electronic-obsession.se
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Walker" <James@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Looking for schematics for SDS IV
Hi Tom , Jesper & List ,
Firstly a big thanks to tom for scanning and hosting the SDS III
Schematics , Thanks :-) .
There does look to be some similarity between the SDS III and the SDS
IV , what a shocker a Moog style filter ! .
I'll take some pics when it's finished and send them to you Tom to pop
on your site ( if that's OK with you ?).
The SDS IV does belong to a customer who loves it to bits .
I also noticed that you have a TMI spot on your page ... do you what a
manual for that ?.
Many thanks
James
On 16 Jan 2005, at 18:55, Tom Williamson wrote:
> Hi James,
>
> I couldn't upload the SDS 3 files to the user group 'files' area (no
> room
> left)
> so I have put them on my web site - www.tomdw.com
>
> Just click on the SIMMONS drum to bring up my 'SIMMONS stuff' page
> then
> either view or 'save target as' to download,
> let me know if you have any problems and please let me know what you
> think
> of the documentation.
>
> I am sure you will find the documentation very useful, I certainly did
>
> Best Regards
>
> Tom.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Walker" <James@...>
> To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Looking for schematics for SDS IV
>
>
>
> Hi Tom ,
> That would be great if you could mail them to me as individual files .
> The Only Schematics I can offer the group is a poor (or incomplete !)
> set for the SDS 9 . If anyone wants I'll scan what I have .
> Thanks for your help and information on the SDS IV , I'll give an
> update on my progress .
>
> All the best
> James Walker
>
> On 14 Jan 2005, at 22:23, Thomas Williamson wrote:
>
> > Hello James, I'm Tom, also a new member of the group.
> > I have a set of schematics, waveform flowcharts and service notes
> for
> > my SDS-III, the SDS-IV (also called the 'Combo' by Musicaid) is a 2
> > channel version without the 'special effects' channel, this info may
> > be of some use to you.
> >
> > I got the documents from Dave Simmons back in 1979, most of it is
> > hand drawn, probably by the Guru himself !
> > My original docs. were photocopies which were done on that old
> > photocopy paper that deteriorates with age, but I have scanned and
> > enhanced them and everything is legible.
> >
> > The docs. exist as 7 jpegs totalling approx. 9 megs.
> > If there is enough interest in these ancient scriptures I will
> upload
> > them to the 'files' area or,
> > I can email the individual files to you.
> > Let me know.
> > Tom.
> > ps. in case anyone hasn't spotted it, there is an SDS-III for sale
> > on eBay (not mine).
> >
> >
> > James Walker <James@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi ,
> >
> > I'm new to the list and I have a Musicaid SDS IV that I need to
> repair
> > and I wanted to know where I could download any information on it
> ?.
> > Thanks
> > James
> >
> > Many thanks
> > James walker
> > Synth Repair Services.
> >
> >
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2005-01-17 by Paul Maddox (Mail LIsts)
> If noone else has one, I've got a severly battered user manual for theIt would be good for the Simmons Site I'm currently building.
> TMI... All pages were stuck due to moist etc from a decade in a basement. I
> managed to get it readable, but it's not pretty...
2005-01-18 by James Walker
On 17 Jan 2005, at 23:38, Paul Maddox (Mail LIsts) wrote:
> Jesper,
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> > If noone else has one, I've got a severly battered user manual for
> the
> > TMI... All pages were stuck due to moist etc from a decade in a
> basement. I
> > managed to get it readable, but it's not pretty...
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> It would be good for the Simmons Site I'm currently building.
> If anyone has anything usefull, please let me know where and what,
> I'll try
> and build a site with lots of usefull stuff on.
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> Paul
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2005-01-18 by Tom Williamson
----- Original Message -----
From: <jesper@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Looking for schematics for SDS IV
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> Cool gear you have there and thanks a lot for the schematics!
>
> As a Simmons addict (primarily pre-digital stuff) I'm curious about your
> SDS-V. Fully loaded? bass, snare, 3xtom, cymbal and hihat or some other
> configuration?
>
> electronically yours, jesper - with SDS-1 (e-prom one, not original
> prototype), SDS-2 (oh yes, the only one!), SDS-IV, SDS-V, TMI, EPB
>
> electronically yours, jesper
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Williamson" <tom@...>
> To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Looking for schematics for SDS IV
>
>
> >
> > Hi James,
> >
> > I couldn't upload the SDS 3 files to the user group 'files' area (no
room
> > left)
> > so I have put them on my web site - www.tomdw.com
> >
> > Just click on the SIMMONS drum to bring up my 'SIMMONS stuff' page then
> > either view or 'save target as' to download,
> > let me know if you have any problems and please let me know what you
think
> > of the documentation.
> >
> > I am sure you will find the documentation very useful, I certainly did
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> > Tom.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Walker" <James@...>
> > To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Looking for schematics for SDS IV
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Tom ,
> > That would be great if you could mail them to me as individual files .
> > The Only Schematics I can offer the group is a poor (or incomplete !)
> > set for the SDS 9 . If anyone wants I'll scan what I have .
> > Thanks for your help and information on the SDS IV , I'll give an
> > update on my progress .
> >
> > All the best
> > James Walker
> >
> > On 14 Jan 2005, at 22:23, Thomas Williamson wrote:
> >
> > > Hello James, I'm Tom, also a new member of the group.
> > > I have a set of schematics, waveform flowcharts and service notes for
> > > my SDS-III, the SDS-IV (also called the 'Combo' by Musicaid) is a 2
> > > channel version without the 'special effects' channel, this info may
> > > be of some use to you.
> > >
> > > I got the documents from Dave Simmons back in 1979, most of it is
> > > hand drawn, probably by the Guru himself !
> > > My original docs. were photocopies which were done on that old
> > > photocopy paper that deteriorates with age, but I have scanned and
> > > enhanced them and everything is legible.
> > >
> > > The docs. exist as 7 jpegs totalling approx. 9 megs.
> > > If there is enough interest in these ancient scriptures I will upload
> > > them to the 'files' area or,
> > > I can email the individual files to you.
> > > Let me know.
> > > Tom.
> > > ps. in case anyone hasn't spotted it, there is an SDS-III for sale
> > > on eBay (not mine).
> > >
> > >
> > > James Walker <James@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi ,
> > >
> > > I'm new to the list and I have a Musicaid SDS IV that I need to
repair
> > > and I wanted to know where I could download any information on it ?.
> > > Thanks
> > > James
> > >
> > > Many thanks
> > > James walker
> > > Synth Repair Services.
> > >
> > >
2005-01-18 by Paul Maddox (Mail LIsts)
> what ever I can find I'll submit .Thanks.. Hopefully this will be as popular as the PPG website :-)
2005-01-18 by Paul Maddox (Mail LIsts)
> I have user manuals for all of my Simmons gear including the TMI, I canThat would be superb!
> make this available for Paul's site if you like ?
2005-01-19 by James Walker
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2005-01-20 by jesper@electronic-obsession.se
> My SDS-V is the standard config. without the cymbal and hihat modules (IOK... I had a lot of trouble getting a complete set so I was curious...
> used pictures from E&MM magazine
> on my web site).
> Before I got my SDS-V, I hired a full system for a few weeks and I foundthe
> cymbals and hihats to be aThe pads themselves I don't have since I used mid and triggers to mine...
> bit gimmicky (ok for 'I just called to say I love you') pity, everyone's
> after them now.
> I have user manuals for all of my Simmons gear including the TMI, I canSplendid if someone else does this, 'cause as I said. My copy stinks
> make this available for Paul's site if you like ?