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SDX Tom pads and FSR (Mine are actually in pretty good shape)

But count me in for a one or two SDX bass drum skins - true they are not FSR based but the formulation of the pad surface has not held up well and I basically don't use the BD's I have and use normal sds bass pads

DP

HI Alan
Do you have sds9 pad shells? I am lloking for red ones
cheers


On Monday, May 5, 2014 3:26 PM, "music@..." <music@...> wrote:
 
  
By Bass Drum "skins" I trust you mean the playing surfaces? I haven't looked into having those made up... however seeing as the SDX BD is essentially an SDS9 Pad with a great playing surface, I was always of the opinion that one might "paint" the black playing surface with a rubber based grey paint that would adhere to the surface.. but I never tried that so I don't know how it would hold up or look.... 

To be clear, it's the Bass Drum SHELLS that I was inquiring about... not the surfaces.

Cheers
A

I'm in for some SDX FSR sensors, I have a couple pads that have deteriorated, cheers,
Jeff

music@... [Simmons_Drums] skrev 2014-05-12 18:08:
> Hi guys..
>
> So far I've heard from only a few of you.. and thus there probably isn't
> enough interest for me to pursue this... the costs to manufacture such
> low quantities would be too high.
>
> I might still pursue having SDS7 Rackmount Brackets made up as I need a
> few sets.
> I'll wait the week to see if anyone else here might want some before
> placing the order.
>
> Cheers
> Teknik14

If you decide to, and have a reasonable figure (incl shipping) I might 
be interested. I have none and if they fit the SDS-V too that'd be of 
interest too.

But (trying to be honest here) it's just metal brackets so I don't 
consider them that necessary. It's mainly cosmetical reasons as far as 
I'm concerned. :)

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Not planning to gig with them... and in the rack they rest firmly on 
eachother and on my EPU.

But keep me posted!. :)

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I have an sds7 already set with some but another one would need some so I'm up for one pair .
count me in.
P.

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 Cosmetic yes, but functional too.... especially if one plans to rack mount the Brain to take on the road.

:-)


I don't have a V handy to try the Brackets on so I'm not 100% these would fit... they are specific to the 7. I can send the specs on them when they arrive.

Cheers
A

Hi guys,

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it is highly recommended NOT to use any 19" brackets for the SDS7. Because the original metal box of SDS 7 is made of too thin material and therefore is bending and winding under tension, cards might get false contact and the unit will malfunction.The only right way to rack it is to use a tray, where the SDS 7 can sit fully on.

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Von: "music@... [Simmons_Drums]"

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Thanks Micha,

I'll stick to the EPU solution then. :)

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/j.


'buchnerelectronics@...' buchnerelectronics@... 
[Simmons_Drums] skrev 2014-05-13 11:22:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> it is highly recommended NOT to use any 19" brackets for the SDS7.
> Because the original metal box of SDS 7 is made of too thin material and
> therefore is bending and winding under tension, cards might get false
> contact and the unit will malfunction.The only right way to rack it is
> to use a tray, where the SDS 7 can sit fully on.
>
> Best
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Anybody interested?
>
> Datum: Mon, 12 May 2014 18:29:44 +0200
>
> Von: "music@... [Simmons_Drums]" <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>
> An: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>
> Hi guys..
>
> So far I've heard from only a few of you.. and thus there probably isn't
> enough interest for me to pursue this... the costs to manufacture such
> low quantities would be too high.
>
> I might still pursue having SDS7 Rackmount Brackets made up as I need a
> few sets.
> I'll wait the week to see if anyone else here might want some before
> placing the order.
>
> Cheers
> Teknik14
>
> 
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I agree , Michael ...
Actually Ihave a set of probably original rack ears that are as deep as a tray  ...
All the rack is fully maintained underneath to the rear by a sort of triangle shape.
but it makes them quite heavy & a bit wide for the common 19' dimension. A bit hard to put in rack but when it's in it can't move anymore... even to get it out of the rack is difficult ;)

hope that helps,
P.

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Envoyé: Tue, 13 May 2014 11:22:36 +0200 (CEST)
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Hi guys, it is highly recommended NOT to use any 19" brackets for the SDS7. Because the original metal box of SDS 7 is made of too thin material and therefore is bending and winding under tension, cards might get false contact and the unit will malfunction.The only right way to rack it is to use a tray, where the SDS 7 can sit fully on. Best Michael  -----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Anybody interested?Datum: Mon, 12 May 2014 18:29:44 +0200Von: "music@teknik14.com [Simmons_Drums]" <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>An: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>   Hi guys..

So far I've heard from only a few of you.. and thus there probably isn't enough interest for me to pursue this... the costs to manufacture such low quantities would be too high.

I might still pursue having SDS7 Rackmount Brackets made up as I need a few sets.
I'll wait the week to see if anyone else here might want some before placing the order.

Cheers
Teknik14

All clever precautions I think ;) 
you definitely know who's the SDS7  !

P

 

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 The Rack Mount Brackets I'm having made up are in fact triangular in shape.. they are about 11.5 inches deep and the bottom of each has a flange "shelf" that supports the entire case depth. (I've uploaded a SIDE VIEW PDF in the "Files" section.)

Once they arrive, I will test them by racking a fully carded SDS7 (ensuring that there is another racked device under it and place shims in between if necessary to prevent the SDS7 case front from sagging) and take it out on the road. Note also that I affixed a thin strip of Anti-static Foam along the length of the front detachable panel to help prevent the Cards from moving forward and out of their slots. Simmons did this with the RAM and CPU Cards behind the Selector Panel. The foam is held in place with double sided tape.

With all of this, there should be little or no Card or CPU/RAM Card movement. In addition, the SDS7 is being racked in a Shock Mount FX Rack (essentially a 19&quo
 t; rack built inside a wider and padded Rack).. and I'll have Richard's Memory Cart on hand just in case.... 


A

Hi Alan, 
as I said I have a good pack of "nos"original FSRs, 
but I'm interested to try some to see if anything is improved by a new production.
Dave told me that the dynamic limitations were due to the FSR production that never reached the prototypes dynamic.
so let's see what it brings...
I have to try some to check if it will be worthwhile doing it...what will be the price range ?

Thanks for the enquiry
take care
Patrice.


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Objet: [Simmons Drums] Re: Anybody interested?





 Hi all...

Just a quick update & to see if anyone is seriously interested. I now have a working FSR for the SDX ZI TOM Pads. (The Symbal pad FSRs can be made also but depending on the level of interest and quantities required I may put this on hold).

The cost per unit depends on the quantities required. The breakpoints are 25, 50, 100, 250

Let's start with how many of you are SERIOUSLY interested, then I will tally up the quantities and post a finalized cost per unit.. at which point you can decide to proceed or opt out.

Cheers
Alan - Teknik14

I would be interested in 4 or 5, if the price is workable. 

Thanks. 

-John

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Sorry no…

But someone else on here might have some to sell..

 

Cheers

A

From: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 2:50 PM
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Anybody interested?

 

  

Hey Alan, do u have any mounts or kick drum spurs for sdsv pads?

Thanks.

I'll want some FSRs as spares. Traveling for the next 2weeks and can't quantify need till back home.

BTW: have 2 CPU units but only one set of pads. Would consider selling spare head unit. I purchased it from Van Halen out of worry when Simmons was closing. 

Wonder if one could create a new set of pads from these FSRs?

Sent from my overpriced, under-powered Apple appliance. Please forgive brevity & possible typos.

On Jun 27, 2014, at 12:08 PM, "music@... [Simmons_Drums]" <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> Hi all...
> 
> Just a quick update & to see if anyone is seriously interested. I now have a working FSR for the SDX ZI TOM Pads. (The Symbal pad FSRs can be made also but depending on the level of interest and quantities required I may put this on hold).
> 
> The cost per unit depends on the quantities required. The breakpoints are 25, 50, 100, 250
> 
> Let's start with how many of you are SERIOUSLY interested, then I will tally up the quantities and post a finalized cost per unit.. at which point you can decide to proceed or opt out.
> 
> Cheers
> Alan - Teknik14    
> 
>

Hi all... sorry for the delay. Took a little holiday that included a date with Kraftwerk.... great fun!! :-)

In fact, it was "fun fun fun"....

Regarding the FSRs.. the smallest quantity the factory will run is 25 at a cost of $110.00 USD per unit.

- a run of 250... the units are just under $37 USD each plus tooling divided by 250

(A 'unit' is defined as a complete FSR including the printed foil and resistor.. fully assembled and ready to be installed into a ZI "Tom" Pad )...

These costs are what the factory has quoted. There is no price markup or profit to be had at all from this.

Let me know...

Cheers

Alan - Teknik14

Could you please re-send the complete posting?
Not sure what you're offering or the pricing.


Best regards,
Neil


At 09:27 AM 7/12/2014, you wrote:

>

>
>
>I posted a few days ago with pricing and more
>information but apparently it either didn't get
>approved or was lost in the Yahoo-Ether....
>
>Testing.. testing.... 1...2....3...
>
>
>Teknik14
>

ah ? didn't see any pricing post but that could be me...

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I posted a few days ago with pricing and more information but apparently it either didn't get approved or was lost in the Yahoo-Ether....

Testing.. testing.... 1...2....3...


Teknik14

Hi Alan, 

I actually have some of that original ones if needed.

take care
P.

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 SDX owners... I had some textured foam tubes specially made up to slide snugly over the SDX Console Bar. They are one piece, cut the right length, black. This is the same material used for Grips on Professional Sports Equipment. They don't kink or show any "bend marks" like the rubber hose from hardware stores do.They make the SDX Console look mighty nice! I uploaded some pics in the Photos Section.

If anyone wants to buy one, my cost to have them made was about $20 each CAD. 
I have 8 left.

Shoot me a PM if interested.

Cheers
Alan - Teknik14
"-if it's round, it isn't Simmons..."

Qty Cost per unit

25 187.00

50 114.00

100 73.00

250 44.00

As you can see, an order of at at least 100 or even 250 will yield the best cost per unit...

Please post here the total required so we all have an idea what the final order qty might be, and then I can proceed.

Cheers

Alan

-Teknik14

Hi Alan , 
thanks for the update.
As I said before, having new old stock FSRs, is it worthwhile for me...?

that would be more accurate to compare new FSR with New Old ones instead of Old tired ones as it will be necessary better.
That's the fair A/B test I would expect.
That's anyway really good news  that an order is now possible thanks to your work & dedication.

I'd like to test some but really wonder if it's worth the investment for me, having already some new ones.
Till now, the one I replaced, even set with the all black part, were just perfectly responding. but again my sensation was in comparison of an old dying one...or some, set for years & still apparently working.
It's a bit like driving a car with old Schock absorbers. you gradually don't really feel the damage till you have to replace it & drive with new ones.

Let us know how many people are interested so we know how many could change the rate. If we could all push a bit for it, maybe the price could really go down as it should...
Obviously at about150$ each,  it's more difficult to give it a go just by curiosity.
only people with dead pads & without access to NOS FSRs, will be interested.  That's reducing the market badly.


Let us know mate.
Big thanks for your work !
Patrice.


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 Hi all.....

After having been tested for a few months by myself a few others, the new FSRs deliver a much smoother and consistent 0-127 velocity response, responding to the slightest of touch, and much more consistent zone and force response. This is all likely due to the new resistor design & better materials than what was available in 1987. The new FSRs were tested on 4 different SDXs and at various SENS and CURVE settings. Again, these are a COMPLETE and fully assembled FSR, not just the foil OR resistor.... it's BOTH in a nicely sealed unit with a peel and stick backing that holds the FSR in place, flat, and without tape or glue. There's pics of them in the Photos folder above.

Just in time as Christmas gifts (to yourself lol)..... I am taking orders for production units. Brand new FSRs made in 2014 and free of any oxide buildup or dry-up. MMMM.....

The factory has given me a lead time of 4 to 5 weeks delivery from time of order, 
 and the price per unit breakdown is as follows (in CDN dollars):
Qty   Cost per unit25     187.0050     114.00100     73.00250     44.00    As you can see, an order of at at least 100 or even 250 will yield the best cost per unit...Please post here the total required so we all have an idea what the final order qty might be, and then I can proceed.CheersAlan-Teknik14

oh no Allan,  I'm not used to unpredictable kind of triggering... ;)  I just don't use it at all when I need dynamic accuracy & go to ddrum or 2box...
I wish  I'd be impressed, I think it could then be worthwhile having them on Hihat snares & eventually toms to have accurate dynamics... Not that much on sort of limited dynamic sort of full dynamic triggering..

But in term of "worthwhility" ;)  for me that will be all about the price... So if we could be in the 250 orders range, I'd go for about 10 ... Maybe more.

Unfortunetaly not at the 3 other rates for me as SDX is pure extra pleasure & not priority in my professional needs... yet ;)

Wish you (Us) Luck !!







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 Yeah, it's pretty nice to slap one of these on a tired ZI pad and see immediate and drastic improvements. It took two years, two factories, and lots of testing, but in the end we now have a superior and "smoother" FSR to the 1987 ones. And with Ed working on the Rubber Surfaces, the future of the ZI's looks good IMO.
 
To address your concern about using a new old stock FSR to compare these new ones, it really wouldn't matter as the results would have been similar.. the new FSRs are made slightly differently than the old ones...plus the standoff "dots" and the inconsistency they created are no longer an issue. The limitations of the 1987 versions are gone. 

I think you would be impressed with them honestly... you might even toss out the old ones after.. hehehe. The sensitivity, accuracy and overall smoothness of these new FSRs really exposes the limitations of the old ones.. but like you say, it may not be worth it if
 you already have a case of old ones and are used to their unpredictable and erratic response.... heheheh. There's some old "half FSRs" on Ebay now for the cost of having a new FULL FSR that provides better results. To me it's a no brainer. Plus these new ones are far easier to install and are basically "plug and play".

In any event, I'm hoping you others will decide to take advantage of the improved response the new ones provide.
  
Cheers
Alan