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Does anyone have any experience using Pintech's Visulite cymbal triggers with their vintage SDS-7 units? Are they compatible? Original Simmons cymbal triggers are rare as hens teeth as we all know. I was wondering if they will work PROPERLY (you know, electronically correct?)with an SDS-7 before outlaying the cash for them as they are on the expensive side.

Anybody? Anyone? Opinions please.....

simmonssds7fan skrev 2013-05-31 23:27:

> Anybody? Anyone? Opinions please.....

Most of us are into old gear... so no, sorry... :-/

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I saw Jay Rajeck of TRS-80 in a video using Visulites with a Simmons kit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy8ui56C7PU
contact him. He doesn't bite :-)

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@...> wrote:
>
> simmonssds7fan skrev 2013-05-31 23:27:
> > Anybody? Anyone? Opinions please.....
>
> Most of us are into old gear... so no, sorry... :-/
>
> --
> electronically yours, jesper
>
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
>

I would be surprised if they worked that well only because I don't think there would be enough adjustment in the '7' especially beyond a single zone. They look good, are solid, though noisy but this would be an expensive experiment. You might want to try with a Kittoy or something from ebay just to get an overview.

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any experience using Pintech's Visulite cymbal triggers with their vintage SDS-7 units? Are they compatible? Original Simmons cymbal triggers are rare as hens teeth as we all know. I was wondering if they will work PROPERLY (you know, electronically correct?)with an SDS-7 before outlaying the cash for them as they are on the expensive side.
>

Nice link, great video. Looks like an SDS-8 set of pads. No shots of the brain he's using though.....

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "superwolle70" <superwolle70@...> wrote:
>
> I saw Jay Rajeck of TRS-80 in a video using Visulites with a Simmons kit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy8ui56C7PU
> contact him. He doesn't bite :-)
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@> wrote:
> >
> > simmonssds7fan skrev 2013-05-31 23:27:
> > > Anybody? Anyone? Opinions please.....
> >
> > Most of us are into old gear... so no, sorry... :-/
> >
> > --
> > electronically yours, jesper
> >
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> > www.electronic-obsession.se
> >
>

This I realize, as am I (into vintage gear). However....I was thinking of these due to the "cool" factor and one of my SDS-7 machines is loaded up with cymbal cards with no cymbal pads to trigger them :(

I think they would be a nice alternative for now, if the worked correctly.

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@...> wrote:
>
> simmonssds7fan skrev 2013-05-31 23:27:
> > Anybody? Anyone? Opinions please.....
>
> Most of us are into old gear... so no, sorry... :-/
>
> --
> electronically yours, jesper
>
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
>

How do you mean "adjustment"? I realize that the cymbal cards in the machine would dictate a "single zone" trigger, and would set them up as such. For the dual zone ride they offer, I would use a stereo "Y" splitter and split the bell signal to a separate voice card just for that sound anyway, same as I currently do for my snare pad for its stereo output for the rimclick/rimshot sound now. (I'm currently using SDS9 pads with my SDS7.) The main thing I'm worried about the Visulites would be that the output signal would be too "hot" for the SDS7. Otherwise, I would think they would work properly.....no?

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Frost" <airflamesred@...> wrote:
>
> I would be surprised if they worked that well only because I don't think there would be enough adjustment in the '7' especially beyond a single zone. They look good, are solid, though noisy but this would be an expensive experiment. You might want to try with a Kittoy or something from ebay just to get an overview.
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience using Pintech's Visulite cymbal triggers with their vintage SDS-7 units? Are they compatible? Original Simmons cymbal triggers are rare as hens teeth as we all know. I was wondering if they will work PROPERLY (you know, electronically correct?)with an SDS-7 before outlaying the cash for them as they are on the expensive side.
> >
>

If it is too hot then it can be cooled, Personally, i would be cautious
for that sort of outlay.

On Jun 1, 2013 4:42 PM, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@...> wrote:


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How would one "cool" the output signal if it is too "hot"? I'm assuming it would be best if I contact Pintech and ask questions then before attempting this.....

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Mark <airflamesred@...> wrote:
>
> If it is too hot then it can be cooled, Personally, i would be cautious
> for that sort of outlay.
> On Jun 1, 2013 4:42 PM, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@...> wrote:
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

It's as simple as a resistor, in theory but where you mount it and its
rating is another story. It may well work as is, my concern is the items
are 30 years apart

On Jun 1, 2013 8:53 PM, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@...> wrote:


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put a resistor on the pad output or wire... for lowering the voltage if necessary...

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Objet: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?





How would one "cool" the output signal if it is too "hot"? I'm assuming it would be best if I contact Pintech and ask questions then before attempting this.....

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Mark <airflamesred@...> wrote:

>

> If it is too hot then it can be cooled, Personally, i would be cautious

> for that sort of outlay.

> On Jun 1, 2013 4:42 PM, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@...> wrote:

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>





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To "cool" the output of a pad is the best expression I ever heared, really. This is done normally by a resistor in parallel of the piezo. For SDSV and SDS7 add 1k, this is a good value. Or do it with a pot for testing first.

Many of the pad users think, if the pad has a too high output, one can lower the sensitivity pot on the brain and that's it. But this is only half of the truth. If you play an SDSV or an SDS7 for example with a "too hot" pad and lowered sens, you quickly realise, that the dynamic range is poor. Or, better description: your playing style from soft to hard will not be expressed in the right way.

This happens, if you try to play one of the old Simmons brains (not SDS9 or SDS1000) with new pads like Roland and Yamaha. With the visulites I have no experience, but I think, it is the same.

Vice versa, the SDSV and 7 pads (with the internal resistor) are too weak for a modern brain. So, if you want to have the sexy look of a hex on stage, you have to cut the resistor out. It is fitted on the back of the pads XLR.

Now, I hear the question: One day I need the pad for SDSV, the next day for a Roland. You can cut the resistor out and solder it into the SDSV brain. Or you solder it into a cable used only for the SDSV.

Note: To calm the output down, Dynacord used a 22nF capacitor in parallel of the piezo. This was cool, too. If your SDSV kickpad is producing "krnnch, krnnch" istead of "click, click", try this out.

Happy weekend, hexheads!

Michael

----- Original Message -----
From: simmonssds7fan
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 8:37 PM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?



How would one "cool" the output signal if it is too "hot"? I'm assuming it would be best if I contact Pintech and ask questions then before attempting this.....

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Mark <airflamesred@...> wrote:
>
> If it is too hot then it can be cooled, Personally, i would be cautious
> for that sort of outlay.
> On Jun 1, 2013 4:42 PM, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@...> wrote:
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Michael Buchner skrev 2013-06-02 15:53:

> Note: If your SDSV kickpad is
> producing "krnnch, krnnch" istead of "click, click", try this out.
>
> Happy weekend, hexheads!

Is it only me or isn't "krnnch" a far cooler sound than "click"? ;)

(Tweaking Quad 478 och SDS-III while the kids are playing outside in the
rain. The best with the swedish summer...)

--
electronically yours, jesper

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www.electronic-obsession.se

It is only you. And it is only you who likes to playback printer OS Eproms in his SDS7.
That's what makes you so unique! :-)

And all others like boring "click" instead of "krnnch".
But there has to be a mass! :-)

Cheers

Michael

----- Original Message -----
From: jesper
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?



Michael Buchner skrev 2013-06-02 15:53:
> Note: If your SDSV kickpad is
> producing "krnnch, krnnch" istead of "click, click", try this out.
>
> Happy weekend, hexheads!

Is it only me or isn't "krnnch" a far cooler sound than "click"? ;)

(Tweaking Quad 478 och SDS-III while the kids are playing outside in the
rain. The best with the swedish summer...)

--
electronically yours, jesper

- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se




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Michael Buchner skrev 2013-06-02 17:18:

> It is only you. And it is only you who likes to playback printer OS
> Eproms in his SDS7.
> That's what makes you so unique! :-)

:D

(But I only run printer proms in the SDS-1's. The 7 has the custom
Ultravox set.)

> And all others like boring "click" instead of "krnnch".
> But there has to be a mass! :-)

*humming along to "trigger track" by Boytronic* :)

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www.electronic-obsession.se

Pooh, for 1 second I thought, you would ban me from the list for the last post :-)

----- Original Message -----
From: jesper
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?



Michael Buchner skrev 2013-06-02 17:18:
> It is only you. And it is only you who likes to playback printer OS
> Eproms in his SDS7.
> That's what makes you so unique! :-)

:D

(But I only run printer proms in the SDS-1's. The 7 has the custom
Ultravox set.)

> And all others like boring "click" instead of "krnnch".
> But there has to be a mass! :-)

*humming along to "trigger track" by Boytronic* :)

--
electronically yours, jesper

- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se




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Just plugged an sds9 pad into my megadrum and got a high level of 64. Now, the koby pads which I use reach the dizzy heights of 900, though are considered slightly too hot.
So, reversing that info, your visualites would be too hot.
Does that make sense?

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@...> wrote:
>
> To "cool" the output of a pad is the best expression I ever heared, really. This is done normally by a resistor in parallel of the piezo. For SDSV and SDS7 add 1k, this is a good value. Or do it with a pot for testing first.
>
> Many of the pad users think, if the pad has a too high output, one can lower the sensitivity pot on the brain and that's it. But this is only half of the truth. If you play an SDSV or an SDS7 for example with a "too hot" pad and lowered sens, you quickly realise, that the dynamic range is poor. Or, better description: your playing style from soft to hard will not be expressed in the right way.
>
> This happens, if you try to play one of the old Simmons brains (not SDS9 or SDS1000) with new pads like Roland and Yamaha. With the visulites I have no experience, but I think, it is the same.
>
> Vice versa, the SDSV and 7 pads (with the internal resistor) are too weak for a modern brain. So, if you want to have the sexy look of a hex on stage, you have to cut the resistor out. It is fitted on the back of the pads XLR.
>
> Now, I hear the question: One day I need the pad for SDSV, the next day for a Roland. You can cut the resistor out and solder it into the SDSV brain. Or you solder it into a cable used only for the SDSV.
>
> Note: To calm the output down, Dynacord used a 22nF capacitor in parallel of the piezo. This was cool, too. If your SDSV kickpad is producing "krnnch, krnnch" istead of "click, click", try this out.
>
> Happy weekend, hexheads!
>
> Michael
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: simmonssds7fan
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 8:37 PM
> Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
>
>
>
> How would one "cool" the output signal if it is too "hot"? I'm assuming it would be best if I contact Pintech and ask questions then before attempting this.....
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Mark <airflamesred@> wrote:
> >
> > If it is too hot then it can be cooled, Personally, i would be cautious
> > for that sort of outlay.
> > On Jun 1, 2013 4:42 PM, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Have you made any copies to the U-vox eproms ?

WT

----- Original Message -----
From: "jesper" <jesper@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?


> Michael Buchner skrev 2013-06-02 17:18:
>> It is only you. And it is only you who likes to playback printer OS
>> Eproms in his SDS7.
>> That's what makes you so unique! :-)
>
> :D
>
> (But I only run printer proms in the SDS-1's. The 7 has the custom
> Ultravox set.)
>
>> And all others like boring "click" instead of "krnnch".
>> But there has to be a mass! :-)
>
> *humming along to "trigger track" by Boytronic* :)
>
> --
> electronically yours, jesper
>
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

"of the" U-vox eproms....

WT

----- Original Message -----
From: "WT" <waveterm@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?


> Have you made any copies to the U-vox eproms ?
>
> WT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jesper" <jesper@...>
> To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
>
>
>> Michael Buchner skrev 2013-06-02 17:18:
>>> It is only you. And it is only you who likes to playback printer OS
>>> Eproms in his SDS7.
>>> That's what makes you so unique! :-)
>>
>> :D
>>
>> (But I only run printer proms in the SDS-1's. The 7 has the custom
>> Ultravox set.)
>>
>>> And all others like boring "click" instead of "krnnch".
>>> But there has to be a mass! :-)
>>
>> *humming along to "trigger track" by Boytronic* :)
>>
>> --
>> electronically yours, jesper
>>
>> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>> www.electronic-obsession.se
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Ok, that sounds like something I could easily add to the cables for the cymbal triggers.

However, it also sounds like my SDS-9 pads are "too hot" as-is for my SDS-7.....is this correct as well? I do not recall a resistor wired to the 1/4" phono jacks on these. (I'm currently using commonly available 1/4" phono to XLR conversion cables to be able to use the pads with the SDS-7. No "crunch-crunch" noises and they seem to be ok, but....)

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@...> wrote:
>
> To "cool" the output of a pad is the best expression I ever heared, really. This is done normally by a resistor in parallel of the piezo. For SDSV and SDS7 add 1k, this is a good value. Or do it with a pot for testing first.
>
> Many of the pad users think, if the pad has a too high output, one can lower the sensitivity pot on the brain and that's it. But this is only half of the truth. If you play an SDSV or an SDS7 for example with a "too hot" pad and lowered sens, you quickly realise, that the dynamic range is poor. Or, better description: your playing style from soft to hard will not be expressed in the right way.
>
> This happens, if you try to play one of the old Simmons brains (not SDS9 or SDS1000) with new pads like Roland and Yamaha. With the visulites I have no experience, but I think, it is the same.
>
> Vice versa, the SDSV and 7 pads (with the internal resistor) are too weak for a modern brain. So, if you want to have the sexy look of a hex on stage, you have to cut the resistor out. It is fitted on the back of the pads XLR.
>
> Now, I hear the question: One day I need the pad for SDSV, the next day for a Roland. You can cut the resistor out and solder it into the SDSV brain. Or you solder it into a cable used only for the SDSV.
>
> Note: To calm the output down, Dynacord used a 22nF capacitor in parallel of the piezo. This was cool, too. If your SDSV kickpad is producing "krnnch, krnnch" istead of "click, click", try this out.
>
> Happy weekend, hexheads!
>
> Michael
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: simmonssds7fan
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 8:37 PM
> Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
>
>
>
> How would one "cool" the output signal if it is too "hot"? I'm assuming it would be best if I contact Pintech and ask questions then before attempting this.....
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Mark <airflamesred@> wrote:
> >
> > If it is too hot then it can be cooled, Personally, i would be cautious
> > for that sort of outlay.
> > On Jun 1, 2013 4:42 PM, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Michael Buchner skrev 2013-06-02 17:40:

> Pooh, for 1 second I thought, you would ban me from the list for the
> last post :-)

*haha* I might be mr moderator, but I do have humour... I think. :)

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WT skrev 2013-06-02 19:00:

> Have you made any copies to the U-vox eproms ?

Nope, no way of copying them either. And... since they're 90's Ultravox
and not 80's I think they're not as desirable.

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Try a 1k, solder it into the jack between tip and sleeve. I also use SDS9 pads, but I soldered the 1k into the brain.

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 02.06.2013 um 19:16 schrieb "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@...>:

> Ok, that sounds like something I could easily add to the cables for the cymbal triggers.
>
> However, it also sounds like my SDS-9 pads are "too hot" as-is for my SDS-7.....is this correct as well? I do not recall a resistor wired to the 1/4" phono jacks on these. (I'm currently using commonly available 1/4" phono to XLR conversion cables to be able to use the pads with the SDS-7. No "crunch-crunch" noises and they seem to be ok, but....)
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@...> wrote:
> >
> > To "cool" the output of a pad is the best expression I ever heared, really. This is done normally by a resistor in parallel of the piezo. For SDSV and SDS7 add 1k, this is a good value. Or do it with a pot for testing first.
> >
> > Many of the pad users think, if the pad has a too high output, one can lower the sensitivity pot on the brain and that's it. But this is only half of the truth. If you play an SDSV or an SDS7 for example with a "too hot" pad and lowered sens, you quickly realise, that the dynamic range is poor. Or, better description: your playing style from soft to hard will not be expressed in the right way.
> >
> > This happens, if you try to play one of the old Simmons brains (not SDS9 or SDS1000) with new pads like Roland and Yamaha. With the visulites I have no experience, but I think, it is the same.
> >
> > Vice versa, the SDSV and 7 pads (with the internal resistor) are too weak for a modern brain. So, if you want to have the sexy look of a hex on stage, you have to cut the resistor out. It is fitted on the back of the pads XLR.
> >
> > Now, I hear the question: One day I need the pad for SDSV, the next day for a Roland. You can cut the resistor out and solder it into the SDSV brain. Or you solder it into a cable used only for the SDSV.
> >
> > Note: To calm the output down, Dynacord used a 22nF capacitor in parallel of the piezo. This was cool, too. If your SDSV kickpad is producing "krnnch, krnnch" istead of "click, click", try this out.
> >
> > Happy weekend, hexheads!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: simmonssds7fan
> > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 8:37 PM
> > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
> >
> >
> >
> > How would one "cool" the output signal if it is too "hot"? I'm assuming it would be best if I contact Pintech and ask questions then before attempting this.....
> >
> > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Mark <airflamesred@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If it is too hot then it can be cooled, Personally, i would be cautious
> > > for that sort of outlay.
> > > On Jun 1, 2013 4:42 PM, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

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Solder the resistor between the tip and sleeve connections? Wouldn't that cause a dead short? Can you clarify this and correct me if I'm wrong?

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Michael Buchner <buchnerelectronics@...> wrote:
>
> Try a 1k, solder it into the jack between tip and sleeve. I also use SDS9 pads, but I soldered the 1k into the brain.
>
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>
> Am 02.06.2013 um 19:16 schrieb "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@...>:
>
> > Ok, that sounds like something I could easily add to the cables for the cymbal triggers.
> >
> > However, it also sounds like my SDS-9 pads are "too hot" as-is for my SDS-7.....is this correct as well? I do not recall a resistor wired to the 1/4" phono jacks on these. (I'm currently using commonly available 1/4" phono to XLR conversion cables to be able to use the pads with the SDS-7. No "crunch-crunch" noises and they seem to be ok, but....)
> >
> > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@> wrote:
> > >
> > > To "cool" the output of a pad is the best expression I ever heared, really. This is done normally by a resistor in parallel of the piezo. For SDSV and SDS7 add 1k, this is a good value. Or do it with a pot for testing first.
> > >
> > > Many of the pad users think, if the pad has a too high output, one can lower the sensitivity pot on the brain and that's it. But this is only half of the truth. If you play an SDSV or an SDS7 for example with a "too hot" pad and lowered sens, you quickly realise, that the dynamic range is poor. Or, better description: your playing style from soft to hard will not be expressed in the right way.
> > >
> > > This happens, if you try to play one of the old Simmons brains (not SDS9 or SDS1000) with new pads like Roland and Yamaha. With the visulites I have no experience, but I think, it is the same.
> > >
> > > Vice versa, the SDSV and 7 pads (with the internal resistor) are too weak for a modern brain. So, if you want to have the sexy look of a hex on stage, you have to cut the resistor out. It is fitted on the back of the pads XLR.
> > >
> > > Now, I hear the question: One day I need the pad for SDSV, the next day for a Roland. You can cut the resistor out and solder it into the SDSV brain. Or you solder it into a cable used only for the SDSV.
> > >
> > > Note: To calm the output down, Dynacord used a 22nF capacitor in parallel of the piezo. This was cool, too. If your SDSV kickpad is producing "krnnch, krnnch" istead of "click, click", try this out.
> > >
> > > Happy weekend, hexheads!
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: simmonssds7fan
> > > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 8:37 PM
> > > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How would one "cool" the output signal if it is too "hot"? I'm assuming it would be best if I contact Pintech and ask questions then before attempting this.....
> > >
> > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Mark <airflamesred@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If it is too hot then it can be cooled, Personally, i would be cautious
> > > > for that sort of outlay.
> > > > On Jun 1, 2013 4:42 PM, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@> wrote:
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If you take a resistor with 0 Ohms, yes, indeed, that would be a shortcut. But I was recommending 1k meaning 1000 Ohms. :-)

----- Original Message -----
From: simmonssds7fan
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:56 PM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?



Solder the resistor between the tip and sleeve connections? Wouldn't that cause a dead short? Can you clarify this and correct me if I'm wrong?

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Michael Buchner <buchnerelectronics@...> wrote:
>
> Try a 1k, solder it into the jack between tip and sleeve. I also use SDS9 pads, but I soldered the 1k into the brain.
>
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>
> Am 02.06.2013 um 19:16 schrieb "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@...>:
>
> > Ok, that sounds like something I could easily add to the cables for the cymbal triggers.
> >
> > However, it also sounds like my SDS-9 pads are "too hot" as-is for my SDS-7.....is this correct as well? I do not recall a resistor wired to the 1/4" phono jacks on these. (I'm currently using commonly available 1/4" phono to XLR conversion cables to be able to use the pads with the SDS-7. No "crunch-crunch" noises and they seem to be ok, but....)
> >
> > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@> wrote:
> > >
> > > To "cool" the output of a pad is the best expression I ever heared, really. This is done normally by a resistor in parallel of the piezo. For SDSV and SDS7 add 1k, this is a good value. Or do it with a pot for testing first.
> > >
> > > Many of the pad users think, if the pad has a too high output, one can lower the sensitivity pot on the brain and that's it. But this is only half of the truth. If you play an SDSV or an SDS7 for example with a "too hot" pad and lowered sens, you quickly realise, that the dynamic range is poor. Or, better description: your playing style from soft to hard will not be expressed in the right way.
> > >
> > > This happens, if you try to play one of the old Simmons brains (not SDS9 or SDS1000) with new pads like Roland and Yamaha. With the visulites I have no experience, but I think, it is the same.
> > >
> > > Vice versa, the SDSV and 7 pads (with the internal resistor) are too weak for a modern brain. So, if you want to have the sexy look of a hex on stage, you have to cut the resistor out. It is fitted on the back of the pads XLR.
> > >
> > > Now, I hear the question: One day I need the pad for SDSV, the next day for a Roland. You can cut the resistor out and solder it into the SDSV brain. Or you solder it into a cable used only for the SDSV.
> > >
> > > Note: To calm the output down, Dynacord used a 22nF capacitor in parallel of the piezo. This was cool, too. If your SDSV kickpad is producing "krnnch, krnnch" istead of "click, click", try this out.
> > >
> > > Happy weekend, hexheads!
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: simmonssds7fan
> > > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 8:37 PM
> > > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How would one "cool" the output signal if it is too "hot"? I'm assuming it would be best if I contact Pintech and ask questions then before attempting this.....
> > >
> > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Mark <airflamesred@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If it is too hot then it can be cooled, Personally, i would be cautious
> > > > for that sort of outlay.
> > > > On Jun 1, 2013 4:42 PM, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@> wrote:
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Ok, I'm following you now.

So not only would this work with my SDS9 pads, but also the Pintech pads, correct?

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@...> wrote:
>
> If you take a resistor with 0 Ohms, yes, indeed, that would be a shortcut. But I was recommending 1k meaning 1000 Ohms. :-)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: simmonssds7fan
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:56 PM
> Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
>
>
>
> Solder the resistor between the tip and sleeve connections? Wouldn't that cause a dead short? Can you clarify this and correct me if I'm wrong?
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Michael Buchner <buchnerelectronics@> wrote:
> >
> > Try a 1k, solder it into the jack between tip and sleeve. I also use SDS9 pads, but I soldered the 1k into the brain.
> >
> > Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> >
> > Am 02.06.2013 um 19:16 schrieb "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@>:
> >
> > > Ok, that sounds like something I could easily add to the cables for the cymbal triggers.
> > >
> > > However, it also sounds like my SDS-9 pads are "too hot" as-is for my SDS-7.....is this correct as well? I do not recall a resistor wired to the 1/4" phono jacks on these. (I'm currently using commonly available 1/4" phono to XLR conversion cables to be able to use the pads with the SDS-7. No "crunch-crunch" noises and they seem to be ok, but....)
> > >
> > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > To "cool" the output of a pad is the best expression I ever heared, really. This is done normally by a resistor in parallel of the piezo. For SDSV and SDS7 add 1k, this is a good value. Or do it with a pot for testing first.
> > > >
> > > > Many of the pad users think, if the pad has a too high output, one can lower the sensitivity pot on the brain and that's it. But this is only half of the truth. If you play an SDSV or an SDS7 for example with a "too hot" pad and lowered sens, you quickly realise, that the dynamic range is poor. Or, better description: your playing style from soft to hard will not be expressed in the right way.
> > > >
> > > > This happens, if you try to play one of the old Simmons brains (not SDS9 or SDS1000) with new pads like Roland and Yamaha. With the visulites I have no experience, but I think, it is the same.
> > > >
> > > > Vice versa, the SDSV and 7 pads (with the internal resistor) are too weak for a modern brain. So, if you want to have the sexy look of a hex on stage, you have to cut the resistor out. It is fitted on the back of the pads XLR.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I hear the question: One day I need the pad for SDSV, the next day for a Roland. You can cut the resistor out and solder it into the SDSV brain. Or you solder it into a cable used only for the SDSV.
> > > >
> > > > Note: To calm the output down, Dynacord used a 22nF capacitor in parallel of the piezo. This was cool, too. If your SDSV kickpad is producing "krnnch, krnnch" istead of "click, click", try this out.
> > > >
> > > > Happy weekend, hexheads!
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: simmonssds7fan
> > > > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 8:37 PM
> > > > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > How would one "cool" the output signal if it is too "hot"? I'm assuming it would be best if I contact Pintech and ask questions then before attempting this.....
> > > >
> > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Mark <airflamesred@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If it is too hot then it can be cooled, Personally, i would be cautious
> > > > > for that sort of outlay.
> > > > > On Jun 1, 2013 4:42 PM, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@> wrote:
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Ok, I'm following you now.

So not only would this work with my SDS9 pads, but also the Pintech pads, correct?

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@...> wrote:
>
> If you take a resistor with 0 Ohms, yes, indeed, that would be a shortcut. But I was recommending 1k meaning 1000 Ohms. :-)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: simmonssds7fan
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:56 PM
> Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
>
>
>
> Solder the resistor between the tip and sleeve connections? Wouldn't that cause a dead short? Can you clarify this and correct me if I'm wrong?
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Michael Buchner <buchnerelectronics@> wrote:
> >
> > Try a 1k, solder it into the jack between tip and sleeve. I also use SDS9 pads, but I soldered the 1k into the brain.
> >
> > Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> >
> > Am 02.06.2013 um 19:16 schrieb "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@>:
> >
> > > Ok, that sounds like something I could easily add to the cables for the cymbal triggers.
> > >
> > > However, it also sounds like my SDS-9 pads are "too hot" as-is for my SDS-7.....is this correct as well? I do not recall a resistor wired to the 1/4" phono jacks on these. (I'm currently using commonly available 1/4" phono to XLR conversion cables to be able to use the pads with the SDS-7. No "crunch-crunch" noises and they seem to be ok, but....)
> > >
> > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > To "cool" the output of a pad is the best expression I ever heared, really. This is done normally by a resistor in parallel of the piezo. For SDSV and SDS7 add 1k, this is a good value. Or do it with a pot for testing first.
> > > >
> > > > Many of the pad users think, if the pad has a too high output, one can lower the sensitivity pot on the brain and that's it. But this is only half of the truth. If you play an SDSV or an SDS7 for example with a "too hot" pad and lowered sens, you quickly realise, that the dynamic range is poor. Or, better description: your playing style from soft to hard will not be expressed in the right way.
> > > >
> > > > This happens, if you try to play one of the old Simmons brains (not SDS9 or SDS1000) with new pads like Roland and Yamaha. With the visulites I have no experience, but I think, it is the same.
> > > >
> > > > Vice versa, the SDSV and 7 pads (with the internal resistor) are too weak for a modern brain. So, if you want to have the sexy look of a hex on stage, you have to cut the resistor out. It is fitted on the back of the pads XLR.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I hear the question: One day I need the pad for SDSV, the next day for a Roland. You can cut the resistor out and solder it into the SDSV brain. Or you solder it into a cable used only for the SDSV.
> > > >
> > > > Note: To calm the output down, Dynacord used a 22nF capacitor in parallel of the piezo. This was cool, too. If your SDSV kickpad is producing "krnnch, krnnch" istead of "click, click", try this out.
> > > >
> > > > Happy weekend, hexheads!
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: simmonssds7fan
> > > > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 8:37 PM
> > > > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > How would one "cool" the output signal if it is too "hot"? I'm assuming it would be best if I contact Pintech and ask questions then before attempting this.....
> > > >
> > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Mark <airflamesred@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If it is too hot then it can be cooled, Personally, i would be cautious
> > > > > for that sort of outlay.
> > > > > On Jun 1, 2013 4:42 PM, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@> wrote:
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Check it out. Take a 1k with a 10k pot in series between sleeve and pin. then play and vary the pots value until it feels fine. Check the value of the pot then and add it to the 1k. Find a resistor and here you go. I was fine with 10k better than 1k in SDS7 factory setting, but that's a matter of taste.

----- Original Message -----
From: simmonssds7fan
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 6:09 PM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?



Ok, I'm following you now.

So not only would this work with my SDS9 pads, but also the Pintech pads, correct?

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@...> wrote:
>
> If you take a resistor with 0 Ohms, yes, indeed, that would be a shortcut. But I was recommending 1k meaning 1000 Ohms. :-)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: simmonssds7fan
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:56 PM
> Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
>
>
>
> Solder the resistor between the tip and sleeve connections? Wouldn't that cause a dead short? Can you clarify this and correct me if I'm wrong?
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Michael Buchner <buchnerelectronics@> wrote:
> >
> > Try a 1k, solder it into the jack between tip and sleeve. I also use SDS9 pads, but I soldered the 1k into the brain.
> >
> > Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> >
> > Am 02.06.2013 um 19:16 schrieb "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@>:
> >
> > > Ok, that sounds like something I could easily add to the cables for the cymbal triggers.
> > >
> > > However, it also sounds like my SDS-9 pads are "too hot" as-is for my SDS-7.....is this correct as well? I do not recall a resistor wired to the 1/4" phono jacks on these. (I'm currently using commonly available 1/4" phono to XLR conversion cables to be able to use the pads with the SDS-7. No "crunch-crunch" noises and they seem to be ok, but....)
> > >
> > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > To "cool" the output of a pad is the best expression I ever heared, really. This is done normally by a resistor in parallel of the piezo. For SDSV and SDS7 add 1k, this is a good value. Or do it with a pot for testing first.
> > > >
> > > > Many of the pad users think, if the pad has a too high output, one can lower the sensitivity pot on the brain and that's it. But this is only half of the truth. If you play an SDSV or an SDS7 for example with a "too hot" pad and lowered sens, you quickly realise, that the dynamic range is poor. Or, better description: your playing style from soft to hard will not be expressed in the right way.
> > > >
> > > > This happens, if you try to play one of the old Simmons brains (not SDS9 or SDS1000) with new pads like Roland and Yamaha. With the visulites I have no experience, but I think, it is the same.
> > > >
> > > > Vice versa, the SDSV and 7 pads (with the internal resistor) are too weak for a modern brain. So, if you want to have the sexy look of a hex on stage, you have to cut the resistor out. It is fitted on the back of the pads XLR.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I hear the question: One day I need the pad for SDSV, the next day for a Roland. You can cut the resistor out and solder it into the SDSV brain. Or you solder it into a cable used only for the SDSV.
> > > >
> > > > Note: To calm the output down, Dynacord used a 22nF capacitor in parallel of the piezo. This was cool, too. If your SDSV kickpad is producing "krnnch, krnnch" istead of "click, click", try this out.
> > > >
> > > > Happy weekend, hexheads!
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: simmonssds7fan
> > > > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 8:37 PM
> > > > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > How would one "cool" the output signal if it is too "hot"? I'm assuming it would be best if I contact Pintech and ask questions then before attempting this.....
> > > >
> > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Mark <airflamesred@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If it is too hot then it can be cooled, Personally, i would be cautious
> > > > > for that sort of outlay.
> > > > > On Jun 1, 2013 4:42 PM, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@> wrote:
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Is there a chart that shows the volt / impedance differences between the different Simmons SDS pads?

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From: simmonssds7fan <ptmetcalf@...>
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 11:58 AM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?




Ok, I'm following you now.

So not only would this work with my SDS9 pads, but also the Pintech pads, correct?

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@...> wrote:
>
> If you take a resistor with 0 Ohms, yes, indeed, that would be a shortcut. But I was recommending 1k meaning 1000 Ohms. :-)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: simmonssds7fan
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:56 PM
> Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
>
>
>
> Solder the resistor between the tip and sleeve connections? Wouldn't that cause a dead short? Can you clarify this and correct me if I'm wrong?
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Michael Buchner <buchnerelectronics@> wrote:
> >
> > Try a 1k, solder it into the jack between tip and sleeve. I also use SDS9 pads, but I soldered the 1k into the brain.
> >
> > Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> >
> > Am 02.06.2013 um 19:16 schrieb "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@>:
> >
> > > Ok, that sounds like something I could easily add to the cables for the cymbal triggers.
> > >
> > > However, it also sounds like my SDS-9 pads are "too hot" as-is for my SDS-7.....is this correct as well? I do not recall a resistor wired to the 1/4" phono jacks on these. (I'm currently using commonly available 1/4" phono to XLR conversion cables to be able to use the pads with the SDS-7. No "crunch-crunch" noises and they seem to be ok, but....)
> > >
> > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > To "cool" the output of a pad is the best expression I ever heared, really. This is done normally by a resistor in parallel of the piezo. For SDSV and SDS7 add 1k, this is a good value. Or do it with a pot for testing first.
> > > >
> > > > Many of the pad users think, if the pad has a too high output, one can lower the sensitivity pot on the brain and that's it. But this is only half of the truth. If you play an SDSV or an SDS7 for example with a "too hot" pad and lowered sens, you quickly realise, that the dynamic range is poor. Or, better description: your playing style from soft to hard will not be expressed in the right way.
> > > >
> > > > This happens, if you try to play one of the old Simmons brains (not SDS9 or SDS1000) with new pads like Roland and Yamaha. With the visulites I have no experience, but I think, it is the same.
> > > >
> > > > Vice versa, the SDSV and 7 pads (with the internal resistor) are too weak for a modern brain. So, if you want to have the sexy look of a hex on stage, you have to cut the resistor out. It is fitted on the back of the pads XLR.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I hear the question: One day I need the pad for SDSV, the next day for a Roland. You can cut the resistor out and solder it into the SDSV brain. Or you solder it into a cable used only for the SDSV.
> > > >
> > > > Note: To calm the output down, Dynacord used a 22nF capacitor in parallel of the piezo. This was cool, too. If your SDSV kickpad is producing "krnnch, krnnch" istead of "click, click", try this out.
> > > >
> > > > Happy weekend, hexheads!
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: simmonssds7fan
> > > > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 8:37 PM
> > > > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > How would one "cool" the output signal if it is too "hot"? I'm assuming it would be best if I contact Pintech and ask questions then before attempting this.....
> > > >
> > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Mark <airflamesred@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If it is too hot then it can be cooled, Personally, i would be cautious
> > > > > for that sort of outlay.
> > > > > On Jun 1, 2013 4:42 PM, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@> wrote:
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I'm interested too !

On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:25 AM, Nick Zampiello <newallianceeast@...>wrote:

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> Is there a chart that shows the volt / impedance differences between the
> different Simmons SDS pads?
>
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> From: simmonssds7fan <ptmetcalf@...>
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 11:58 AM
> Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
>
>
>
> Ok, I'm following you now.
>
> So not only would this work with my SDS9 pads, but also the Pintech pads,
> correct?
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner"
> <buchnerelectronics@...> wrote:
> >
> > If you take a resistor with 0 Ohms, yes, indeed, that would be a
> shortcut. But I was recommending 1k meaning 1000 Ohms. :-)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: simmonssds7fan
> > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:56 PM
> > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
> >
> >
> >
> > Solder the resistor between the tip and sleeve connections? Wouldn't
> that cause a dead short? Can you clarify this and correct me if I'm wrong?
> >
> > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Michael Buchner
> <buchnerelectronics@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Try a 1k, solder it into the jack between tip and sleeve. I also use
> SDS9 pads, but I soldered the 1k into the brain.
> > >
> > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> > >
> > > Am 02.06.2013 um 19:16 schrieb "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@>:
> > >
> > > > Ok, that sounds like something I could easily add to the cables for
> the cymbal triggers.
> > > >
> > > > However, it also sounds like my SDS-9 pads are "too hot" as-is for
> my SDS-7.....is this correct as well? I do not recall a resistor wired to
> the 1/4" phono jacks on these. (I'm currently using commonly available 1/4"
> phono to XLR conversion cables to be able to use the pads with the SDS-7.
> No "crunch-crunch" noises and they seem to be ok, but....)
> > > >
> > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner"
> <buchnerelectronics@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > To "cool" the output of a pad is the best expression I ever
> heared, really. This is done normally by a resistor in parallel of the
> piezo. For SDSV and SDS7 add 1k, this is a good value. Or do it with a pot
> for testing first.
> > > > >
> > > > > Many of the pad users think, if the pad has a too high output, one
> can lower the sensitivity pot on the brain and that's it. But this is only
> half of the truth. If you play an SDSV or an SDS7 for example with a "too
> hot" pad and lowered sens, you quickly realise, that the dynamic range is
> poor. Or, better description: your playing style from soft to hard will not
> be expressed in the right way.
> > > > >
> > > > > This happens, if you try to play one of the old Simmons brains
> (not SDS9 or SDS1000) with new pads like Roland and Yamaha. With the
> visulites I have no experience, but I think, it is the same.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vice versa, the SDSV and 7 pads (with the internal resistor) are
> too weak for a modern brain. So, if you want to have the sexy look of a hex
> on stage, you have to cut the resistor out. It is fitted on the back of the
> pads XLR.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, I hear the question: One day I need the pad for SDSV, the
> next day for a Roland. You can cut the resistor out and solder it into the
> SDSV brain. Or you solder it into a cable used only for the SDSV.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note: To calm the output down, Dynacord used a 22nF capacitor in
> parallel of the piezo. This was cool, too. If your SDSV kickpad is
> producing "krnnch, krnnch" istead of "click, click", try this out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Happy weekend, hexheads!
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: simmonssds7fan
> > > > > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 8:37 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > How would one "cool" the output signal if it is too "hot"? I'm
> assuming it would be best if I contact Pintech and ask questions then
> before attempting this.....
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Mark <airflamesred@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If it is too hot then it can be cooled, Personally, i would be
> cautious
> > > > > > for that sort of outlay.
> > > > > > On Jun 1, 2013 4:42 PM, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@> wrote:
> > > > > >
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Yes.

----- Original Message -----
From: simmonssds7fan
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 5:58 PM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?



Ok, I'm following you now.

So not only would this work with my SDS9 pads, but also the Pintech pads, correct?

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@...> wrote:
>
> If you take a resistor with 0 Ohms, yes, indeed, that would be a shortcut. But I was recommending 1k meaning 1000 Ohms. :-)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: simmonssds7fan
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:56 PM
> Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
>
>
>
> Solder the resistor between the tip and sleeve connections? Wouldn't that cause a dead short? Can you clarify this and correct me if I'm wrong?
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Michael Buchner <buchnerelectronics@> wrote:
> >
> > Try a 1k, solder it into the jack between tip and sleeve. I also use SDS9 pads, but I soldered the 1k into the brain.
> >
> > Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> >
> > Am 02.06.2013 um 19:16 schrieb "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@>:
> >
> > > Ok, that sounds like something I could easily add to the cables for the cymbal triggers.
> > >
> > > However, it also sounds like my SDS-9 pads are "too hot" as-is for my SDS-7.....is this correct as well? I do not recall a resistor wired to the 1/4" phono jacks on these. (I'm currently using commonly available 1/4" phono to XLR conversion cables to be able to use the pads with the SDS-7. No "crunch-crunch" noises and they seem to be ok, but....)
> > >
> > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > To "cool" the output of a pad is the best expression I ever heared, really. This is done normally by a resistor in parallel of the piezo. For SDSV and SDS7 add 1k, this is a good value. Or do it with a pot for testing first.
> > > >
> > > > Many of the pad users think, if the pad has a too high output, one can lower the sensitivity pot on the brain and that's it. But this is only half of the truth. If you play an SDSV or an SDS7 for example with a "too hot" pad and lowered sens, you quickly realise, that the dynamic range is poor. Or, better description: your playing style from soft to hard will not be expressed in the right way.
> > > >
> > > > This happens, if you try to play one of the old Simmons brains (not SDS9 or SDS1000) with new pads like Roland and Yamaha. With the visulites I have no experience, but I think, it is the same.
> > > >
> > > > Vice versa, the SDSV and 7 pads (with the internal resistor) are too weak for a modern brain. So, if you want to have the sexy look of a hex on stage, you have to cut the resistor out. It is fitted on the back of the pads XLR.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I hear the question: One day I need the pad for SDSV, the next day for a Roland. You can cut the resistor out and solder it into the SDSV brain. Or you solder it into a cable used only for the SDSV.
> > > >
> > > > Note: To calm the output down, Dynacord used a 22nF capacitor in parallel of the piezo. This was cool, too. If your SDSV kickpad is producing "krnnch, krnnch" istead of "click, click", try this out.
> > > >
> > > > Happy weekend, hexheads!
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: simmonssds7fan
> > > > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 8:37 PM
> > > > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > How would one "cool" the output signal if it is too "hot"? I'm assuming it would be best if I contact Pintech and ask questions then before attempting this.....
> > > >
> > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Mark <airflamesred@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If it is too hot then it can be cooled, Personally, i would be cautious
> > > > > for that sort of outlay.
> > > > > On Jun 1, 2013 4:42 PM, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@> wrote:
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Ok, just finished modifying my cables and tested them with my SDS-9 pads on my SDS-7, "crunchiness" is gone. Thanks for the tip Michael. :)

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@...> wrote:
>
> Yes.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: simmonssds7fan
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 5:58 PM
> Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
>
>
>
> Ok, I'm following you now.
>
> So not only would this work with my SDS9 pads, but also the Pintech pads, correct?
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@> wrote:
> >
> > If you take a resistor with 0 Ohms, yes, indeed, that would be a shortcut. But I was recommending 1k meaning 1000 Ohms. :-)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: simmonssds7fan
> > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:56 PM
> > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
> >
> >
> >
> > Solder the resistor between the tip and sleeve connections? Wouldn't that cause a dead short? Can you clarify this and correct me if I'm wrong?
> >
> > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Michael Buchner <buchnerelectronics@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Try a 1k, solder it into the jack between tip and sleeve. I also use SDS9 pads, but I soldered the 1k into the brain.
> > >
> > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> > >
> > > Am 02.06.2013 um 19:16 schrieb "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@>:
> > >
> > > > Ok, that sounds like something I could easily add to the cables for the cymbal triggers.
> > > >
> > > > However, it also sounds like my SDS-9 pads are "too hot" as-is for my SDS-7.....is this correct as well? I do not recall a resistor wired to the 1/4" phono jacks on these. (I'm currently using commonly available 1/4" phono to XLR conversion cables to be able to use the pads with the SDS-7. No "crunch-crunch" noises and they seem to be ok, but....)
> > > >
> > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > To "cool" the output of a pad is the best expression I ever heared, really. This is done normally by a resistor in parallel of the piezo. For SDSV and SDS7 add 1k, this is a good value. Or do it with a pot for testing first.
> > > > >
> > > > > Many of the pad users think, if the pad has a too high output, one can lower the sensitivity pot on the brain and that's it. But this is only half of the truth. If you play an SDSV or an SDS7 for example with a "too hot" pad and lowered sens, you quickly realise, that the dynamic range is poor. Or, better description: your playing style from soft to hard will not be expressed in the right way.
> > > > >
> > > > > This happens, if you try to play one of the old Simmons brains (not SDS9 or SDS1000) with new pads like Roland and Yamaha. With the visulites I have no experience, but I think, it is the same.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vice versa, the SDSV and 7 pads (with the internal resistor) are too weak for a modern brain. So, if you want to have the sexy look of a hex on stage, you have to cut the resistor out. It is fitted on the back of the pads XLR.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, I hear the question: One day I need the pad for SDSV, the next day for a Roland. You can cut the resistor out and solder it into the SDSV brain. Or you solder it into a cable used only for the SDSV.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note: To calm the output down, Dynacord used a 22nF capacitor in parallel of the piezo. This was cool, too. If your SDSV kickpad is producing "krnnch, krnnch" istead of "click, click", try this out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Happy weekend, hexheads!
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: simmonssds7fan
> > > > > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 8:37 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Visu-lite Cymbals?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > How would one "cool" the output signal if it is too "hot"? I'm assuming it would be best if I contact Pintech and ask questions then before attempting this.....
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Mark <airflamesred@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If it is too hot then it can be cooled, Personally, i would be cautious
> > > > > > for that sort of outlay.
> > > > > > On Jun 1, 2013 4:42 PM, "simmonssds7fan" <ptmetcalf@> wrote:
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