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2013-03-16 by philmurr
Hi all - I came across the following documents on the Intellectual Property Office website. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o45911.pdf http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o46812.pdf Reading through the legal jargon (that I don't understand !), does this mean Dave Simmons has regained the rights to the Simmons name from Guitar Centre ? If so, :-)
2013-03-16 by Mark Frost
I knew he was in court, and congrats to him. What could be on the horizon, I wonder? --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "philmurr" <philmurr@...> wrote:
> > Hi all - I came across the following documents on the Intellectual Property Office website. > > http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o45911.pdf > > http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o46812.pdf > > Reading through the legal jargon (that I don't understand !), does this mean Dave Simmons has regained the rights to the Simmons name from Guitar Centre ? > > If so, :-) >
2013-03-17 by VinceL
While I am not a lawyer, I do have some experience with business law. I have spent the past hour reviewing these 2 documents. It would appear that there was a ruling against Guitar Center for their bad faith use of the Simmons name on electronic drumkits with 3,000 GBP to be awarded to Dave Simmons. Guitar Center filed an appeal which was shot down, and the payment to Dave Simmons was increased to 4,500 GBP. So, it does appear that Dave has the rights to Simmons once again.
-----Original Message----- From: philmurr Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:57 PM To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Simmons Drums] Dave regained the rights to the Simmons name ?? Hi all - I came across the following documents on the Intellectual Property Office website. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o45911.pdf http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o46812.pdf Reading through the legal jargon (that I don't understand !), does this mean Dave Simmons has regained the rights to the Simmons name from Guitar Centre ? If so, :-) ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
2013-03-17 by Chris Wareham
Brilliant news if Dave Simmons has the rights back. If so, it would be great if he could do something similar to Tom Oberheim and launch some modern versions of instruments such as the SDS V.
Chris
VinceL <legravin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>While I am not a lawyer, I do have some experience with business law.
>
>I have spent the past hour reviewing these 2 documents. It would appear
>that there was a ruling against Guitar Center for their bad faith use of the
>Simmons name on electronic drumkits with 3,000 GBP to be awarded to Dave
>Simmons. Guitar Center filed an appeal which was shot down, and the payment
>to Dave Simmons was increased to 4,500 GBP.
>
>So, it does appear that Dave has the rights to Simmons once again.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: philmurr
>Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:57 PM
>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Simmons Drums] Dave regained the rights to the Simmons name ??
>
>Hi all - I came across the following documents on the Intellectual Property
>Office website.
>
>http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o45911.pdf
>
>http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o46812.pdf
>
>Reading through the legal jargon (that I don't understand !), does this
>mean Dave Simmons has regained the rights to the Simmons name from Guitar
>Centre ?
>
>If so, :-)
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2013-03-17 by realmsteel
That looks to be some great news. Reading through that makes it look like Guitar Center never did "Buy" the rights to the Simmons name and that they had no right to market anything using the name. I remember when I first heard of the new "Simmons" drums, I raced to GC to check them out. I was very excited until I actually played on the set. I was pretty disappointed at the quality and unjustifiably lost a lot of respect for the Simmons name. I thought they were just trying to cash in on a past reputation. Little did I know it was GC trying to cash in. I do admit I bought that 1st generation set, but sold by Sam's Club under the Koncepts brand. The only reason being is I wanted a set to play on where I didn't have to disrupt the house with load music. It wasn't long after though, I searched to find an original SDS9. My hope is Simmons will somehow get back into producing top quality products. We are already seeing a resurgence for Moog synths. --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "VinceL" <legravin@...> wrote:
> > While I am not a lawyer, I do have some experience with business law. > > I have spent the past hour reviewing these 2 documents. It would appear > that there was a ruling against Guitar Center for their bad faith use of the > Simmons name on electronic drumkits with 3,000 GBP to be awarded to Dave > Simmons. Guitar Center filed an appeal which was shot down, and the payment > to Dave Simmons was increased to 4,500 GBP. > > So, it does appear that Dave has the rights to Simmons once again. > > -----Original Message----- > From: philmurr > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:57 PM > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Dave regained the rights to the Simmons name ?? > > Hi all - I came across the following documents on the Intellectual Property > Office website. > > http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o45911.pdf > > http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o46812.pdf > > Reading through the legal jargon (that I don't understand !), does this > mean Dave Simmons has regained the rights to the Simmons name from Guitar > Centre ? > > If so, :-) > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links >
2013-03-17 by jesper
He kicked GC's ass! :D It also looked like a few of us helped in the process: "He also includes, at exhibit DS36, a number of witness statements from well known percussionists, retailers and enthusiasts who all state that the name SIMMONS is well known in the music world and is linked to its inventor Mr David Simmons." This sure made my Sunday better! -- electronically yours, jesper - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - www.electronic-obsession.se VinceL skrev 2013-03-17 03:57:
> While I am not a lawyer, I do have some experience with business law. > > I have spent the past hour reviewing these 2 documents. It would appear > that there was a ruling against Guitar Center for their bad faith use of > the > Simmons name on electronic drumkits with 3,000 GBP to be awarded to Dave > Simmons. Guitar Center filed an appeal which was shot down, and the payment > to Dave Simmons was increased to 4,500 GBP. > > So, it does appear that Dave has the rights to Simmons once again. > > -----Original Message----- > From: philmurr > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:57 PM > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Dave regained the rights to the Simmons name ?? > > Hi all - I came across the following documents on the Intellectual Property > Office website. > > http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o45911.pdf > > http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o46812.pdf > > Reading through the legal jargon (that I don't understand !), does this > mean Dave Simmons has regained the rights to the Simmons name from Guitar > Centre ? > > If so, :-) > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5682 - Release Date: 03/16/13 >
2013-03-17 by Rob Mayo
This ruling is from 2011 but as at March 2013, GC are still manufacturing drums under the Simmons brand - http://www.simmonsdrums.net . What's the story there thus? Rob. --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Chris Wareham <chris@...> wrote:
>
> Brilliant news if Dave Simmons has the rights back. If so, it would be great if he could do something similar to Tom Oberheim and launch some modern versions of instruments such as the SDS V.
>
> Chris
>
>
> VinceL <legravin@...> wrote:
>
> >Â
> >
> >While I am not a lawyer, I do have some experience with business law.
> >
> >I have spent the past hour reviewing these 2 documents. It would appear
> >that there was a ruling against Guitar Center for their bad faith use of the
> >Simmons name on electronic drumkits with 3,000 GBP to be awarded to Dave
> >Simmons. Guitar Center filed an appeal which was shot down, and the payment
> >to Dave Simmons was increased to 4,500 GBP.
> >
> >So, it does appear that Dave has the rights to Simmons once again.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: philmurr
> >Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:57 PM
> >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Simmons Drums] Dave regained the rights to the Simmons name ??
> >
> >Hi all - I came across the following documents on the Intellectual Property
> >Office website.
> >
> >http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o45911.pdf
> >
> >http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o46812.pdf
> >
> >Reading through the legal jargon (that I don't understand !), does this
> >mean Dave Simmons has regained the rights to the Simmons name from Guitar
> >Centre ?
> >
> >If so, :-)
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
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>2013-03-17 by jesper
The second document is from November 2012. I can imagine that there's some debate regarding this issue on US soil, but hey, it feels good to at least talk about it and see the ruling in favour of Dave here in Europe. We don't see any "China-Simmons" here these days. I'm also very glad one passes unsold on Ebay... As I bonus I see a few familiar names in the second pdf as well. :D (I wonder who had the problem of spelling those swedish and french family names though.) -- electronically yours, jesper - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - www.electronic-obsession.se Rob Mayo skrev 2013-03-17 19:47:
> This ruling is from 2011 but as at March 2013, GC are still
> manufacturing drums under the Simmons brand -
> http://www.simmonsdrums.net . What's the story there thus?
>
> Rob.
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>, Chris Wareham <chris@...> wrote:
> >
> > Brilliant news if Dave Simmons has the rights back. If so, it would
> be great if he could do something similar to Tom Oberheim and launch
> some modern versions of instruments such as the SDS V.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > VinceL <legravin@...> wrote:
> >
> > >Â
> > >
> > >While I am not a lawyer, I do have some experience with business law.
> > >
> > >I have spent the past hour reviewing these 2 documents. It would appear
> > >that there was a ruling against Guitar Center for their bad faith
> use of the
> > >Simmons name on electronic drumkits with 3,000 GBP to be awarded to
> Dave
> > >Simmons. Guitar Center filed an appeal which was shot down, and the
> payment
> > >to Dave Simmons was increased to 4,500 GBP.
> > >
> > >So, it does appear that Dave has the rights to Simmons once again.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: philmurr
> > >Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:57 PM
> > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: [Simmons Drums] Dave regained the rights to the Simmons name ??
> > >
> > >Hi all - I came across the following documents on the Intellectual
> Property
> > >Office website.
> > >
> >
> >http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o45911.pdf
> > >
> >
> >http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o46812.pdf
> > >
> > >Reading through the legal jargon (that I don't understand !), does this
> > >mean Dave Simmons has regained the rights to the Simmons name from
> Guitar
> > >Centre ?
> > >
> > >If so, :-)
> > >
> > >------------------------------------
> > >
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>2013-03-17 by Jacquot.Patrice@...
Dave won back his rights in Europe but well ....what about US now ...
Therefore It might be a new basis for him actually.
Wait & see.
----- Mail d'origine -----
De: Rob Mayo <rob.mayo@...>
À: Simmons Drums <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:47:28 +0100 (CET)
Objet: Re: [Simmons Drums] Dave regained the rights to the Simmons name ??
This ruling is from 2011 but as at March 2013, GC are still manufacturing drums under the Simmons brand - http://www.simmonsdrums.net . What's the story there thus?
Rob.
--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Chris Wareham <chris@...> wrote:
>
> Brilliant news if Dave Simmons has the rights back. If so, it would be great if he could do something similar to Tom Oberheim and launch some modern versions of instruments such as the SDS V.
>
> Chris
>
>
> VinceL <legravin@...> wrote:
>
> >Â
> >
> >While I am not a lawyer, I do have some experience with business law.
> >
> >I have spent the past hour reviewing these 2 documents. It would appear
> >that there was a ruling against Guitar Center for their bad faith use of the
> >Simmons name on electronic drumkits with 3,000 GBP to be awarded to Dave
> >Simmons. Guitar Center filed an appeal which was shot down, and the payment
> >to Dave Simmons was increased to 4,500 GBP.
> >
> >So, it does appear that Dave has the rights to Simmons once again.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: philmurr
> >Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:57 PM
> >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Simmons Drums] Dave regained the rights to the Simmons name ??
> >
> >Hi all - I came across the following documents on the Intellectual Property
> >Office website.
> >
> >http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o45911.pdf
> >
> >http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o46812.pdf
> >
> >Reading through the legal jargon (that I don't understand !), does this
> >mean Dave Simmons has regained the rights to the Simmons name from Guitar
> >Centre ?
> >
> >If so, :-)
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2013-03-18 by mikkmuzik
Good news '''Get rid of the chinese Sh#te''' --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Jacquot.Patrice@... wrote:
>
> Dave won back his rights in Europe but well ....what about US now ...
> Therefore It might be a new basis for him actually.
>
> Wait & see.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Mail d'origine -----
> De: Rob Mayo <rob.mayo@...>
> Ã: Simmons Drums <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
> Envoyé: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:47:28 +0100 (CET)
> Objet: Re: [Simmons Drums] Dave regained the rights to the Simmons name ??
>
>
>
>
>
> This ruling is from 2011 but as at March 2013, GC are still manufacturing drums under the Simmons brand - http://www.simmonsdrums.net . What's the story there thus?
>
>
> Rob.
>
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Chris Wareham <chris@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Brilliant news if Dave Simmons has the rights back. If so, it would be great if he could do something similar to Tom Oberheim and launch some modern versions of instruments such as the SDS V.
>
> >
>
> > Chris
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > VinceL <legravin@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >Ã
>
> > >
>
> > >While I am not a lawyer, I do have some experience with business law.
>
> > >
>
> > >I have spent the past hour reviewing these 2 documents. It would appear
>
> > >that there was a ruling against Guitar Center for their bad faith use of the
>
> > >Simmons name on electronic drumkits with 3,000 GBP to be awarded to Dave
>
> > >Simmons. Guitar Center filed an appeal which was shot down, and the payment
>
> > >to Dave Simmons was increased to 4,500 GBP.
>
> > >
>
> > >So, it does appear that Dave has the rights to Simmons once again.
>
> > >
>
> > >-----Original Message-----
>
> > >From: philmurr
>
> > >Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:57 PM
>
> > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
> > >Subject: [Simmons Drums] Dave regained the rights to the Simmons name ??
>
> > >
>
> > >Hi all - I came across the following documents on the Intellectual Property
>
> > >Office website.
>
> > >
>
> > >http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o45911.pdf
>
> > >
>
> > >http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o46812.pdf
>
> > >
>
> > >Reading through the legal jargon (that I don't understand !), does this
>
> > >mean Dave Simmons has regained the rights to the Simmons name from Guitar
>
> > >Centre ?
>
> > >
>
> > >If so, :-)
>
> > >
>
> > >------------------------------------
>
> > >
>
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
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>2013-03-19 by marnnieto
The million dollars question now is : "will Dave Simmons back to electronic drums business"? or the GC war was only a matter of pride? --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "mikkmuzik" <mikkmuzik@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Good news '''Get rid of the chinese Sh#te'''
>
>
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Jacquot.Patrice@ wrote:
> >
> > Dave won back his rights in Europe but well ....what about US now ...
> > Therefore It might be a new basis for him actually.
> >
> > Wait & see.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Mail d'origine -----
> > De: Rob Mayo <rob.mayo@>
> > Ã: Simmons Drums <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
> > Envoyé: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:47:28 +0100 (CET)
> > Objet: Re: [Simmons Drums] Dave regained the rights to the Simmons name ??
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > This ruling is from 2011 but as at March 2013, GC are still manufacturing drums under the Simmons brand - http://www.simmonsdrums.net . What's the story there thus?
> >
> >
> > Rob.
> >
> >
> > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Chris Wareham <chris@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Brilliant news if Dave Simmons has the rights back. If so, it would be great if he could do something similar to Tom Oberheim and launch some modern versions of instruments such as the SDS V.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Chris
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > VinceL <legravin@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >Ã
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >While I am not a lawyer, I do have some experience with business law.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >I have spent the past hour reviewing these 2 documents. It would appear
> >
> > > >that there was a ruling against Guitar Center for their bad faith use of the
> >
> > > >Simmons name on electronic drumkits with 3,000 GBP to be awarded to Dave
> >
> > > >Simmons. Guitar Center filed an appeal which was shot down, and the payment
> >
> > > >to Dave Simmons was increased to 4,500 GBP.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >So, it does appear that Dave has the rights to Simmons once again.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> >
> > > >From: philmurr
> >
> > > >Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:57 PM
> >
> > > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > >Subject: [Simmons Drums] Dave regained the rights to the Simmons name ??
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >Hi all - I came across the following documents on the Intellectual Property
> >
> > > >Office website.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o45911.pdf
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/o46812.pdf
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >Reading through the legal jargon (that I don't understand !), does this
> >
> > > >mean Dave Simmons has regained the rights to the Simmons name from Guitar
> >
> > > >Centre ?
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >If so, :-)
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >------------------------------------
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
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>2013-03-20 by jesper
marnnieto skrev 2013-03-19 21:04: > The million dollars question now is : "will Dave Simmons back to > electronic drums business"? or the GC war was only a matter of pride? I think it's safe to assume he's got some plans. But if it's drums or robotic hands we'll have to see... :) -- electronically yours, jesper - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - www.electronic-obsession.se
2013-03-20 by teknikfourteen
--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@...> wrote: > > marnnieto skrev 2013-03-19 21:04: > > The million dollars question now is : "will Dave Simmons back to > > electronic drums business"? or the GC war was only a matter of pride? > > I think it's safe to assume he's got some plans. But if it's drums or > robotic hands we'll have to see... :) > > -- > electronically yours, jesper > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - > www.electronic-obsession.se > Indeed. :) We can only hope that his frustration with those that refuted his work and publicly snubbed electronics has long since passed, and that his new offerings are met with anticipation. Congrats Dave.
2013-03-22 by teknikfourteen
--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "mikkmuzik" <mikkmuzik@...> wrote: > > > > > Good news '''Get rid of the chinese Sh#te''' > > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Jacquot.Patrice@ wrote: > > > > Dave won back his rights in Europe but well ....what about US now ... > > Therefore It might be a new basis for him actually. > > > > Wait & see. > > So when do we see that last of the GC crap? Looks like they are still selling it.
2013-03-23 by Jacquot.Patrice@...
Dave regained his rights for Europe, not yet for US. ----- Mail d'origine ----- De: teknikfourteen <teknik14@...> À: Simmons Drums <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com> Envoyé: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:58:14 +0100 (CET) Objet: Re: [Simmons Drums] Dave regained the rights to the Simmons name --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "mikkmuzik" <mikkmuzik@...> wrote: > > > > > Good news '''Get rid of the chinese Sh#te''' > > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Jacquot.Patrice@ wrote: > > > > Dave won back his rights in Europe but well ....what about US now ... > > Therefore It might be a new basis for him actually. > > > > Wait & see. > > So when do we see that last of the GC crap? Looks like they are still selling it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2013-03-24 by jesper
I feel and hope that the key word here is "yet". :D -- electronically yours, jesper - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - www.electronic-obsession.se Jacquot.Patrice@... skrev 2013-03-23 21:11:
> Dave regained his rights for Europe, not yet for US. > > ----- Mail d'origine ----- > De: teknikfourteen <teknik14@... <mailto:teknik14%40hotmail.com>> > À: Simmons Drums <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>> > Envoyé: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:58:14 +0100 (CET) > Objet: Re: [Simmons Drums] Dave regained the rights to the Simmons name > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>, "mikkmuzik" <mikkmuzik@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good news '''Get rid of the chinese Sh#te''' > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>, Jacquot.Patrice@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dave won back his rights in Europe but well ....what about US now ... > > > > Therefore It might be a new basis for him actually. > > > > > > > > Wait & see. > > > > > > So when do we see that last of the GC crap? Looks like they are still > selling it. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2013-04-26 by tobintech
I do hope he returns with something new. With Benj returning under the 2Box name after Clavia sold off the DDrum name, Clavia re-entering the market with the Nord Drum, Korg re-releasing the Wavedrum with much needed updates and reasonable pricing, and Vinny and his SDX replacement the Mandala drum, there is a market for Dave's products and concepts. It is sad how his companies name has been used by GC to ruin a great name in the field, I would love to see Simmons make a comeback --- In Simmons_Drums@...m, "teknikfourteen" <teknik14@...> wrote:
> > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@> wrote: > > > > marnnieto skrev 2013-03-19 21:04: > > > The million dollars question now is : "will Dave Simmons back to > > > electronic drums business"? or the GC war was only a matter of pride? > > > > I think it's safe to assume he's got some plans. But if it's drums or > > robotic hands we'll have to see... :) > > > > -- > > electronically yours, jesper > > > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - > > www.electronic-obsession.se > > > > > Indeed. :) > We can only hope that his frustration with those that refuted his work and publicly snubbed electronics has long since passed, and that his new offerings are met with anticipation. > > Congrats Dave. >
2013-04-26 by Michael Buchner
...and if he wants to have a good technician, I'll follow his call any time :-) Von meinem iPhone gesendet Am 26.04.2013 um 11:35 schrieb "tobintech" <swtobin@...>: > > I do hope he returns with something new. With Benj returning under the 2Box name after Clavia sold off the DDrum name, Clavia re-entering the market with the Nord Drum, Korg re-releasing the Wavedrum with much needed updates and reasonable pricing, and Vinny and his SDX replacement the Mandala drum, there is a market for Dave's products and concepts. It is sad how his companies name has been used by GC to ruin a great name in the field, I would love to see Simmons make a comeback > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "teknikfourteen" <teknik14@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@> wrote: > > > > > > marnnieto skrev 2013-03-19 21:04: > > > > The million dollars question now is : "will Dave Simmons back to > > > > electronic drums business"? or the GC war was only a matter of pride? > > > > > > I think it's safe to assume he's got some plans. But if it's drums or > > > robotic hands we'll have to see... :) > > > > > > -- > > > electronically yours, jesper > > > > > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - > > > www.electronic-obsession.se > > > > > > > > > Indeed. :) > > We can only hope that his frustration with those that refuted his work and publicly snubbed electronics has long since passed, and that his new offerings are met with anticipation. > > > > Congrats Dave. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2013-04-26 by marnnieto
it is Danny not Vinny :) The very last Simmons product (never released I think) it was a mix between the SDX and the Portakit (I have the brochure somewhere)would be completely outdated today but it was a great idea back then. But the tendency to re-vamp old gear with a fantastic price, analogue soul and MIDI! it is great, the Korg Mini MS20, the Korg Volca clones of the 303 and 606, obviously the Nord drum 2 with the pad and all for pennies! No too many people can afford £2000 and up prices anymore, just a few only, then next month the question will be "why to pay £2500 for a 303 when I can get it for £100 with midi and very relieable components and warranty" I know is not the same but £100 is a price we all can afford... All this left a massive door open to the great "Simmons" come back, I hope Dave will answer the call... --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Michael Buchner <buchnerelectronics@...> wrote:
> > ...and if he wants to have a good technician, I'll follow his call any time :-) > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > Am 26.04.2013 um 11:35 schrieb "tobintech" <swtobin@...>: > > > > > I do hope he returns with something new. With Benj returning under the 2Box name after Clavia sold off the DDrum name, Clavia re-entering the market with the Nord Drum, Korg re-releasing the Wavedrum with much needed updates and reasonable pricing, and Vinny and his SDX replacement the Mandala drum, there is a market for Dave's products and concepts. It is sad how his companies name has been used by GC to ruin a great name in the field, I would love to see Simmons make a comeback > > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "teknikfourteen" <teknik14@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@> wrote: > > > > > > > > marnnieto skrev 2013-03-19 21:04: > > > > > The million dollars question now is : "will Dave Simmons back to > > > > > electronic drums business"? or the GC war was only a matter of pride? > > > > > > > > I think it's safe to assume he's got some plans. But if it's drums or > > > > robotic hands we'll have to see... :) > > > > > > > > -- > > > > electronically yours, jesper > > > > > > > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - > > > > www.electronic-obsession.se > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. :) > > > We can only hope that his frustration with those that refuted his work and publicly snubbed electronics has long since passed, and that his new offerings are met with anticipation. > > > > > > Congrats Dave. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2013-04-26 by teknikfourteen
..and if he wants a Canadian rep / IT guy / Beta tester... I would do it in a heartbeat!! --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Michael Buchner <buchnerelectronics@...> wrote:
> > ...and if he wants to have a good technician, I'll follow his call any time :-) > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > Am 26.04.2013 um 11:35 schrieb "tobintech" <swtobin@...>: > > > > > I do hope he returns with something new. With Benj returning under the 2Box name after Clavia sold off the DDrum name, Clavia re-entering the market with the Nord Drum, Korg re-releasing the Wavedrum with much needed updates and reasonable pricing, and Vinny and his SDX replacement the Mandala drum, there is a market for Dave's products and concepts. It is sad how his companies name has been used by GC to ruin a great name in the field, I would love to see Simmons make a comeback > > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "teknikfourteen" <teknik14@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@> wrote: > > > > > > > > marnnieto skrev 2013-03-19 21:04: > > > > > The million dollars question now is : "will Dave Simmons back to > > > > > electronic drums business"? or the GC war was only a matter of pride? > > > > > > > > I think it's safe to assume he's got some plans. But if it's drums or > > > > robotic hands we'll have to see... :) > > > > > > > > -- > > > > electronically yours, jesper > > > > > > > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - > > > > www.electronic-obsession.se > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. :) > > > We can only hope that his frustration with those that refuted his work and publicly snubbed electronics has long since passed, and that his new offerings are met with anticipation. > > > > > > Congrats Dave. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2013-04-26 by tobintech
FYI: Vince De Franco is the inventor of the Mandala, Danny Carey is the player and contracted Vince with idea on what he wanted. It was originally a custom job for Danny that he hired Vince to do to replace his aging SDX system that was breaking down on tour --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "marnnieto" <marnnieto@...> wrote:
> > it is Danny not Vinny :) > The very last Simmons product (never released I think) it was a mix between the SDX and the Portakit (I have the brochure somewhere)would be completely outdated today but it was a great idea back then. > But the tendency to re-vamp old gear with a fantastic price, analogue soul and MIDI! it is great, the Korg Mini MS20, the Korg Volca clones of the 303 and 606, obviously the Nord drum 2 with the pad and all for pennies! No too many people can afford £2000 and up prices anymore, just a few only, then next month the question will be "why to pay £2500 for a 303 when I can get it for £100 with midi and very relieable components and warranty" I know is not the same but £100 is a price we all can afford... > All this left a massive door open to the great "Simmons" come back, I hope Dave will answer the call... > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Michael Buchner <buchnerelectronics@> wrote: > > > > ...and if he wants to have a good technician, I'll follow his call any time :-) > > > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > > > Am 26.04.2013 um 11:35 schrieb "tobintech" <swtobin@>: > > > > > > > > I do hope he returns with something new. With Benj returning under the 2Box name after Clavia sold off the DDrum name, Clavia re-entering the market with the Nord Drum, Korg re-releasing the Wavedrum with much needed updates and reasonable pricing, and Vinny and his SDX replacement the Mandala drum, there is a market for Dave's products and concepts. It is sad how his companies name has been used by GC to ruin a great name in the field, I would love to see Simmons make a comeback > > > > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "teknikfourteen" <teknik14@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > marnnieto skrev 2013-03-19 21:04: > > > > > > The million dollars question now is : "will Dave Simmons back to > > > > > > electronic drums business"? or the GC war was only a matter of pride? > > > > > > > > > > I think it's safe to assume he's got some plans. But if it's drums or > > > > > robotic hands we'll have to see... :) > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > electronically yours, jesper > > > > > > > > > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - > > > > > www.electronic-obsession.se > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. :) > > > > We can only hope that his frustration with those that refuted his work and publicly snubbed electronics has long since passed, and that his new offerings are met with anticipation. > > > > > > > > Congrats Dave. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >
2013-04-26 by tobintech
http://mandaladrum.tumblr.com/post/12798075560/who-are-we --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "marnnieto" <marnnieto@...> wrote:
> > it is Danny not Vinny :) > The very last Simmons product (never released I think) it was a mix between the SDX and the Portakit (I have the brochure somewhere)would be completely outdated today but it was a great idea back then. > But the tendency to re-vamp old gear with a fantastic price, analogue soul and MIDI! it is great, the Korg Mini MS20, the Korg Volca clones of the 303 and 606, obviously the Nord drum 2 with the pad and all for pennies! No too many people can afford £2000 and up prices anymore, just a few only, then next month the question will be "why to pay £2500 for a 303 when I can get it for £100 with midi and very relieable components and warranty" I know is not the same but £100 is a price we all can afford... > All this left a massive door open to the great "Simmons" come back, I hope Dave will answer the call... > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Michael Buchner <buchnerelectronics@> wrote: > > > > ...and if he wants to have a good technician, I'll follow his call any time :-) > > > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > > > Am 26.04.2013 um 11:35 schrieb "tobintech" <swtobin@>: > > > > > > > > I do hope he returns with something new. With Benj returning under the 2Box name after Clavia sold off the DDrum name, Clavia re-entering the market with the Nord Drum, Korg re-releasing the Wavedrum with much needed updates and reasonable pricing, and Vinny and his SDX replacement the Mandala drum, there is a market for Dave's products and concepts. It is sad how his companies name has been used by GC to ruin a great name in the field, I would love to see Simmons make a comeback > > > > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "teknikfourteen" <teknik14@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > marnnieto skrev 2013-03-19 21:04: > > > > > > The million dollars question now is : "will Dave Simmons back to > > > > > > electronic drums business"? or the GC war was only a matter of pride? > > > > > > > > > > I think it's safe to assume he's got some plans. But if it's drums or > > > > > robotic hands we'll have to see... :) > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > electronically yours, jesper > > > > > > > > > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - > > > > > www.electronic-obsession.se > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. :) > > > > We can only hope that his frustration with those that refuted his work and publicly snubbed electronics has long since passed, and that his new offerings are met with anticipation. > > > > > > > > Congrats Dave. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >