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I've never played an SDS9 before, and am just wondering...

Is it basically like 3 channels of SDS7 and 3 channels of SDS8/800
(without the run generator?)?

Or is it fundamentally different?

The MIDI capacity makes it tempting. MTM's seem to go for more than
SDS9's...


all my best,
- Scott

> I've never played an SDS9 before, and am just wondering...
>
> Is it basically like 3 channels of SDS7 and 3 channels of SDS8/800
> (without the run generator?)?

reduced to a simple formula: you may say so (BTW: SDS800 was later than SDS9). The experience from SDS7/8 combined in a consumer priced desktop device extended by some new features like 2nd-skin, Midi-Delay and the midi implementation itself!

>
> Or is it fundamentally different?

I'd say the most fundamental difference where the pads

>
> The MIDI capacity makes it tempting. MTM's seem to go for more than
> SDS9's...

SDS9 brains appear far more often on Ebay because they have been produced in a much higher quantity. Since 2010 there have been only 4 MTMs on Ebay (US, UK, EU) with an average price of 180 Euro. Compared to that SDS9 brains have been sold 25 times (sometimes with pads, sometimes not), the average price for brain-only-auctions was 130 Euro. So you are right :-)

>
>
> all my best,
> - Scott
>

Hi Scoot. Check out this video ON youtube I shared a few months ago. Perhaps it will serve to get an idea of ​​the sounds of SDS9.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOxQ56DTNtY

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Scott Gibbons wrote:
>
> I've never played an SDS9 before, and am just wondering...
>
> Is it basically like 3 channels of SDS7 and 3 channels of SDS8/800
> (without the run generator?)?
>
> Or is it fundamentally different?
>
> The MIDI capacity makes it tempting. MTM's seem to go for more than
> SDS9's...
>
>
> all my best,
> - Scott
>

Two thumbs down. Since you already have an SDS7, it'll be a huge disappointment.
Bass Drum sound generation is analog but incredibly limited so don't expect to do more than simple sounds. Snare/Rim is basically an eprom player like the SDS1. Toms are analog, too, and are the best part of the kit but you still can't get into craziness like on the SDS7. MIDI is ok, too, but not equal to MTM.

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Scott Gibbons wrote:
>
> I've never played an SDS9 before, and am just wondering...
>
> Is it basically like 3 channels of SDS7 and 3 channels of SDS8/800
> (without the run generator?)?
>
> Or is it fundamentally different?
>
> The MIDI capacity makes it tempting. MTM's seem to go for more than
> SDS9's...
>
>
> all my best,
> - Scott
>

Hats off, Ed. Only a few sentences, but precise description. I fully agree. Somehow the different sound sources did not fit together as a kit.

Michael

----- Original Message -----
From: Ed
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 3:48 PM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS9 any good?



Two thumbs down. Since you already have an SDS7, it'll be a huge disappointment.
Bass Drum sound generation is analog but incredibly limited so don't expect to do more than simple sounds. Snare/Rim is basically an eprom player like the SDS1. Toms are analog, too, and are the best part of the kit but you still can't get into craziness like on the SDS7. MIDI is ok, too, but not equal to MTM.

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Scott Gibbons wrote:
>
> I've never played an SDS9 before, and am just wondering...
>
> Is it basically like 3 channels of SDS7 and 3 channels of SDS8/800
> (without the run generator?)?
>
> Or is it fundamentally different?
>
> The MIDI capacity makes it tempting. MTM's seem to go for more than
> SDS9's...
>
>
> all my best,
> - Scott
>





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get an 800.

they are cheap and fun.


 
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From: Ed <edrose1@...>
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:48 AM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS9 any good?


 
Two thumbs down. Since you already have an SDS7, it'll be a huge disappointment.
Bass Drum sound generation is analog but incredibly limited so don't expect to do more than simple sounds. Snare/Rim is basically an eprom player like the SDS1. Toms are analog, too, and are the best part of the kit but you still can't get into craziness like on the SDS7. MIDI is ok, too, but not equal to MTM.

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Scott Gibbons wrote:
>
> I've never played an SDS9 before, and am just wondering...
>
> Is it basically like 3 channels of SDS7 and 3 channels of SDS8/800
> (without the run generator?)?
>
> Or is it fundamentally different?
>
> The MIDI capacity makes it tempting. MTM's seem to go for more than
> SDS9's...
>
>
> all my best,
> - Scott
>




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I got a bunch of beautiful SDSV 6mm collet caps from Ed Rose.

I may need some pots though.  anyone have source on these?

thanks in advance.

z


 
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From: Michael Buchner <buchnerelectronics@...>
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS9 any good?


 
Hats off, Ed. Only a few sentences, but precise description. I fully agree. Somehow the different sound sources did not fit together as a kit.

Michael

----- Original Message -----
From: Ed
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 3:48 PM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS9 any good?

Two thumbs down. Since you already have an SDS7, it'll be a huge disappointment.
Bass Drum sound generation is analog but incredibly limited so don't expect to do more than simple sounds. Snare/Rim is basically an eprom player like the SDS1. Toms are analog, too, and are the best part of the kit but you still can't get into craziness like on the SDS7. MIDI is ok, too, but not equal to MTM.

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Scott Gibbons wrote:
>
> I've never played an SDS9 before, and am just wondering...
>
> Is it basically like 3 channels of SDS7 and 3 channels of SDS8/800
> (without the run generator?)?
>
> Or is it fundamentally different?
>
> The MIDI capacity makes it tempting. MTM's seem to go for more than
> SDS9's...
>
>
> all my best,
> - Scott
>

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I have an MTM for sale if you're interested
On Feb 11, 2013 3:00 PM, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@...>
wrote:

>
>
>
> Hats off, Ed. Only a few sentences, but precise description. I fully

agree. Somehow the different sound sources did not fit together as a kit.

>
> Michael
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 3:48 PM
> Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS9 any good?
>
> Two thumbs down. Since you already have an SDS7, it'll be a huge

disappointment.

> Bass Drum sound generation is analog but incredibly limited so don't

expect to do more than simple sounds. Snare/Rim is basically an eprom
player like the SDS1. Toms are analog, too, and are the best part of the
kit but you still can't get into craziness like on the SDS7. MIDI is ok,
too, but not equal to MTM.

>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Scott Gibbons wrote:
> >
> > I've never played an SDS9 before, and am just wondering...
> >
> > Is it basically like 3 channels of SDS7 and 3 channels of SDS8/800
> > (without the run generator?)?
> >
> > Or is it fundamentally different?
> >
> > The MIDI capacity makes it tempting. MTM's seem to go for more than
> > SDS9's...
> >
> >
> > all my best,
> > - Scott
> >
>
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>
>

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I picked up an SDS9 for £55 last week. Haven't quite got to grips with it yet but I think I'll hold onto it for now, especially as one sold for £450 on ebay yesterday. ;-)


From: Mark <airflamesred@...>
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 11 February 2013, 15:34
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS9 any good?

 
I have an MTM for sale if you're interested
On Feb 11, 2013 3:00 PM, "Michael Buchner" mailto:buchnerelectronics%40t-online.de>
wrote:

>
>
>
> Hats off, Ed. Only a few sentences, but precise description. I fully

agree. Somehow the different sound sources did not fit together as a kit.

>
> Michael
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed
> To: mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 3:48 PM
> Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS9 any good?
>
> Two thumbs down. Since you already have an SDS7, it'll be a huge

disappointment.

> Bass Drum sound generation is analog but incredibly limited so don't

expect to do more than simple sounds. Snare/Rim is basically an eprom
player like the SDS1. Toms are analog, too, and are the best part of the
kit but you still can't get into craziness like on the SDS7. MIDI is ok,
too, but not equal to MTM.

>
> --- In mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com, Scott Gibbons wrote:
> >
> > I've never played an SDS9 before, and am just wondering...
> >
> > Is it basically like 3 channels of SDS7 and 3 channels of SDS8/800
> > (without the run generator?)?
> >
> > Or is it fundamentally different?
> >
> > The MIDI capacity makes it tempting. MTM's seem to go for more than
> > SDS9's...
> >
> >
> > all my best,
> > - Scott
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Thanks, everyone! The SDS9 just seems like such an odd bird, I've been
curious for a while what it was all about. I wondered if there was anything
particularly interesting hidden inside, like the run generator on the SDS800
which is so cool:

http://soundcloud.com/red-noise/simmons-sds-800-1

But between the knobby tweakability of my SDS800 and the deep insanity of my
SDS7, I think I'm happy to be content :-)

all my best,
- Scott




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Great & tasteful video demo, thanks! It's always hard to know much from
factory presets of course, but that seems to give a good idea of the
overall character.

all my best,
- Scott

Thanks
I hope the video has been helpful to you,Scott.
Regards

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Scott Gibbons wrote:
>
> Great & tasteful video demo, thanks! It's always hard to know much from
> factory presets of course, but that seems to give a good idea of the
> overall character.
>
> all my best,
> - Scott
>

I bought a brandnew sds 9 when it first came out and still play it today as much as i can.I also at the same time bought a sds 5 brain and being cheap did not buy the pads for a mere 200.00 more,o what a mistake i still regret.But what i did was to put in an extra peizo and quarter inch jack on the other side of the pad by pad mount.Over the twentyfive years or more this gave me more texture and samples with different sensitivity levels.an example would be a snare sound ,but the sds 5 noise decay being longer.the tom pads could have more levels than just one sound.II had plans to build two floating areas per pad, one being sds 1000 and the other sds 9 but different pitches to sound like an acoustic drum.I am stll using this method with only one surface but two trigers at different sensitivities sounds great but i am using the roland rm 8 and dm5.using the dm 5 for the snare and adding the sds 5 with tight decay and click i can get great buzz rolls and playability plus the sidestick of the sds 9 midied to rm 8.The sds 5 makes the tight snare rolls and the other sample takes over on harder hits sounding great.now i have three peizos on the snare the other to Alesis DM 5 but sample selection is rim to middle of snare.I tried the rolands great samples but the snare disipointing for rolls ect.Love my sds pads and using it to midi roland and alesis and other simmons units

Sounds quite interesting all what you are saying, Brian. It´s really exciting to try different things with our "lovely monsters".
So far, I've only tried to improve the response of my SDS9 kit, using a DTS YAMAHA 70 (It's a drum trigger system with 12 individual inputs / outputs and 2 MIDI IN / OUT and MIDI THRU, quite interesting for its age and very easy to use. I think it's late 80´s). This allows me better control over the dynamics of the pads and prevent crosstalk between sidestick and snare sound.

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Hi,

just a short note from your moderator to all on the list that I had to
dump two members off the list this weekend due to a lot of incoming
spam. I think the mentioned Brian is one and I wrote him to ask him to
sort the account-jacking or whatever has been going on and then
re-subscribe. I trust we'll see him here soon again...

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ALFONSO PACHES skrev 2013-02-25 12:42:

> Sounds quite interesting all what you are saying, Brian. It´s really
> exciting to try different things with our "lovely monsters".
> So far, I've only tried to improve the response of my SDS9 kit, using a
> DTS YAMAHA 70 (It's a drum trigger system with 12 individual inputs /
> outputs and 2 MIDI IN / OUT and MIDI THRU, quite interesting for its age
> and very easy to use. I think it's late 80´s). This allows me better
> control over the dynamics of the pads and prevent crosstalk between
> sidestick and snare sound.