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Hi all
The two portakit midi outputs seem work out. When I plug a midi cable in them the porakit screen  changes incessantly from the one kit to another,  from the kit to a sequence etc... It�s like  the portakit is  going crazy. Could it be because it needs a change of battery?. I�ve restored the initial settings but the result is the same. Thanks in advance

alfpaches skrev:
>  
> 
> Hi all
> The two portakit midi outputs seem work out. When I plug a midi cable in 
> them the porakit screen changes incessantly from the one kit to another, 
> from the kit to a sequence etc... It´s like the portakit is going crazy. 
> Could it be because it needs a change of battery?. I´ve restored the 
> initial settings but the result is the same. Thanks in advance

But... are those DIN-5 sockets really midi outs? Are you sure? I have no 
porta kit, but I could easily imagine that they're "just" trigger 
outputs to drive SDS-8 and similar.

(Not to be rude, but many people think that DIN-5 sockets automatically 
means midi.)

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

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or changed the cable??
or connected it to a midi in??
don't mean to be rude, but I see stuff happening ?? 



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>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: jesper <jesper@...>
>Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:18:23 +0200
>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] problems with portakit
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>alfpaches skrev:
>>  
>> 
>> Hi all
>> The two portakit midi outputs seem work out. When I plug a midi cable
in

>
>> them the porakit screen changes incessantly from the one kit to another,
>
>> from the kit to a sequence etc... It?s like the portakit is going crazy.
>
>> Could it be because it needs a change of battery?. I?ve restored the 
>> initial settings but the result is the same. Thanks in advance
>
>But... are those DIN-5 sockets really midi outs? Are you sure? I have no
>
>porta kit, but I could easily imagine that they're "just" trigger 
>outputs to drive SDS-8 and similar.
>
>(Not to be rude, but many people think that DIN-5 sockets automatically

>means midi.)
>
>-- 
>electronically yours, jesper
>
>- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>www.electronic-obsession.se
>

Hi, Jesper
They are midi 1  and midi thru/midi 2 outputs, and their function is to trigger any midi drum machine, keyboard,etc.. not the SDS8 sequencer cconnection. Cheers

--- El mié, 30/6/10, jesper <jesper@electronic-obsession.se> escribió:


De: jesper <jesper@electronic-obsession.se>
Asunto: Re: [Simmons Drums] problems with portakit
Para: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: miércoles, 30 de junio, 2010 12:18


  



alfpaches skrev:
> 
> 
> Hi all
> The two portakit midi outputs seem work out. When I plug a midi cable in 
> them the porakit screen changes incessantly from the one kit to another, 
> from the kit to a sequence etc... It´s like the portakit is going crazy. 
> Could it be because it needs a change of battery?. I´ve restored the 
> initial settings but the result is the same. Thanks in advance

But... are those DIN-5 sockets really midi outs? Are you sure? I have no 
porta kit, but I could easily imagine that they're "just" trigger 
outputs to drive SDS-8 and similar.

(Not to be rude, but many people think that DIN-5 sockets automatically 
means midi.)

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se









      

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Hi Berk
I´ve tried it, obviously, with a couple of midi cables with the same result, and both of them are in working order.  And the same with Midi in and  Midi out both connected. Cheers

--- El mié, 30/6/10, Berk Aarts <B.E.R.K@...> escribió:


De: Berk Aarts <B.E.R.K@...>
Asunto: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] problems with portakit
Para: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: miércoles, 30 de junio, 2010 12:51


or changed the cable??
or connected it to a midi in??
don't mean to be rude, but I see stuff happening ?? 



>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: jesper <jesper@...>
>Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:18:23 +0200
>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] problems with portakit
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>alfpaches skrev:
>>  
>> 
>> Hi all
>> The two portakit midi outputs seem work out. When I plug a midi cable
in
>
>> them the porakit screen changes incessantly from the one kit to another,
>
>> from the kit to a sequence etc... It?s like the portakit is going crazy.
>
>> Could it be because it needs a change of battery?. I?ve restored the 
>> initial settings but the result is the same. Thanks in advance
>
>But... are those DIN-5 sockets really midi outs? Are you sure? I have no
>
>porta kit, but I could easily imagine that they're "just" trigger 
>outputs to drive SDS-8 and similar.
>
>(Not to be rude, but many people think that DIN-5 sockets automatically

>means midi.)
>
>-- 
>electronically yours, jesper
>
>- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>www.electronic-obsession.se
>


       





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OK, strange then... Have you tested with any kind of midi channel filter 
or similar?

ALFONSO PACHES skrev:
> Hi, Jesper
> They are midi 1  and midi thru/midi 2 outputs, and their function is to 
> trigger any midi drum machine, keyboard,etc.. not the SDS8 sequencer 
> cconnection. Cheers

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se

Hi
Finally the portakit is working. I don´t know why,I don´t know how. The only thing that I´ve made is to connect the MIDI IN and MIDI OUT to my Yamaha RX5 drum machine and then no problem with the Portakit.  It´s really strange because first of all I tried with a  Yamaha DTX drum trigger module and with a Roland Groovebox with the result that I´ve told you before.  Best Regards

--- El mié, 30/6/10, jesper <jesper@...> escribió:


De: jesper <jesper@...>
Asunto: Re: [Simmons Drums] problems with portakit
Para: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: miércoles, 30 de junio, 2010 14:38


  



OK, strange then... Have you tested with any kind of midi channel filter 
or similar?

ALFONSO PACHES skrev:
> Hi, Jesper
> They are midi 1 and midi thru/midi 2 outputs, and their function is to 
> trigger any midi drum machine, keyboard,etc.. not the SDS8 sequencer 
> cconnection. Cheers

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se








      

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Hi,
It might be some midi (filters ? as said before)  settings on that or that
unit... as if your multipad had a midiloop..
or even the portakit receiving program changes or sysex ?
Maybe you could check your other units to be sure which is sending what ? Or if
the portakit is allowing receiving things. check well in what midi mode they all
are.
Try maybe with "OMNI OFF" on the portakit to see if it changes anything.
If you can have a look to the MERGE function (SPECIAL MENU) & assignation of
MIDI outputs 1 & 2...
Sorry I can't be more precise ( I haven't got the Portakit in front of me ).

Or is it one more esoteric Simmons Event ;-)

Hope it can help.
good luck
Patrice.


Selon ALFONSO PACHES <alfpaches@...>:

> Hi
> Finally the portakit is working. I don´t know why,I don´t know how. The
> only thing that I´ve made is to connect the MIDI IN and MIDI OUT to my
> Yamaha RX5 drum machine and then no problem with the Portakit.  It´s really
> strange because first of all I tried with a  Yamaha DTX drum trigger
> module and with a Roland Groovebox with the result that I´ve told you
> before.  Best Regards
>
> --- El mié, 30/6/10, jesper <jesper@...> escribió:
>
>
> De: jesper <jesper@...>
> Asunto: Re: [Simmons Drums] problems with portakit
> Para: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Fecha: miércoles, 30 de junio, 2010 14:38
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> OK, strange then... Have you tested with any kind of midi channel filter
> or similar?
>
> ALFONSO PACHES skrev:
> > Hi, Jesper
> > They are midi 1 and midi thru/midi 2 outputs, and their function is to
> > trigger any midi drum machine, keyboard,etc.. not the SDS8 sequencer
> > cconnection. Cheers
>
> --
> electronically yours, jesper
>
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> www.electronic-obsession.se
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glad you did, good luck repairing
Berk

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>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: ALFONSO PACHES <alfpaches@...>
>Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:06:17 +0000 (GMT)
>Subject: Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] problems with portakit
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Hi Berk
>I?ve tried it, obviously, with a couple of midi cables with the same result,
>and both of them are in working order.  And the same with Midi in and  Midi
>out both connected. Cheers
>
>--- El mié, 30/6/10, Berk Aarts <B.E.R.K@...> escribió:
>
>
>De: Berk Aarts <B.E.R.K@...>
>Asunto: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] problems with portakit
>Para: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>Fecha: miércoles, 30 de junio, 2010 12:51
>
>
>or changed the cable??
>or connected it to a midi in??
>don't mean to be rude, but I see stuff happening ?? 
>
>
>
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>>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>>From: jesper <jesper@electronic-obsession.se>
>>Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:18:23 +0200
>>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] problems with portakit
>>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>>alfpaches skrev:
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> The two portakit midi outputs seem work out. When I plug a midi cable
>in
>>
>>> them the porakit screen changes incessantly from the one kit to another,
>>
>>> from the kit to a sequence etc... It?s like the portakit is going crazy.
>>
>>> Could it be because it needs a change of battery?. I?ve restored the

>>> initial settings but the result is the same. Thanks in advance
>>
>>But... are those DIN-5 sockets really midi outs? Are you sure? I have no
>>
>>porta kit, but I could easily imagine that they're "just" trigger 
>>outputs to drive SDS-8 and similar.
>>
>>(Not to be rude, but many people think that DIN-5 sockets automatically
>
>>means midi.)
>>
>>-- 
>>electronically yours, jesper
>>
>>- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>>www.electronic-obsession.se
>>
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Thanks, Patrice
I´m going to try all these things. Thanks a lot for your time
Alfonso

--- El jue, 1/7/10, Jacquot.Patrice@... <Jacquot.Patrice@...> escribió:


De: Jacquot.Patrice@... <Jacquot.Patrice@free.fr>
Asunto: Re: [Simmons Drums] problems with portakit
Para: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: jueves, 1 de julio, 2010 00:11


  



Hi,
It might be some midi (filters ? as said before) settings on that or that
unit... as if your multipad had a midiloop..
or even the portakit receiving program changes or sysex ?
Maybe you could check your other units to be sure which is sending what ? Or if
the portakit is allowing receiving things. check well in what midi mode they all
are.
Try maybe with "OMNI OFF" on the portakit to see if it changes anything.
If you can have a look to the MERGE function (SPECIAL MENU) & assignation of
MIDI outputs 1 & 2...
Sorry I can't be more precise ( I haven't got the Portakit in front of me ).

Or is it one more esoteric Simmons Event ;-)

Hope it can help.
good luck
Patrice.

Selon ALFONSO PACHES <alfpaches@...>:

> Hi
> Finally the portakit is working. I don´t know why,I don´t know how. The
> only thing that I´ve made is to connect the MIDI IN and MIDI OUT to my
> Yamaha RX5 drum machine and then no problem with the Portakit.  It´s really
> strange because first of all I tried with a  Yamaha DTX drum trigger
> module and with a Roland Groovebox with the result that I´ve told you
> before.  Best Regards
>
> --- El mié, 30/6/10, jesper <jesper@...> escribió:
>
>
> De: jesper <jesper@...>
> Asunto: Re: [Simmons Drums] problems with portakit
> Para: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Fecha: miércoles, 30 de junio, 2010 14:38
>
>
> Â 
>
>
>
> OK, strange then... Have you tested with any kind of midi channel filter
> or similar?
>
> ALFONSO PACHES skrev:
> > Hi, Jesper
> > They are midi 1 and midi thru/midi 2 outputs, and their function is to
> > trigger any midi drum machine, keyboard,etc.. not the SDS8 sequencer
> > cconnection. Cheers
>
> --
> electronically yours, jesper
>
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
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