Vintage Simmons Drums (UK) Users Group

I've got an older Simmons hexpad set (kick and all) setup on a Gibraltar stand connected to an Alesis DR4.  It sounds great, but it appears that my "high tom" pad won't trigger if played simultaneously with other pads (at least not with the kick).  I tried a bit of swapping things around (pads, cables) and adjust the trigger sensitivy in the DR4 to no avail.  Is this a common problem?

thanks,
jeff

Myrios skrev:
>  
> 
> I've got an older Simmons hexpad set (kick and all) setup on a Gibraltar 
> stand connected to an Alesis DR4. It sounds great, but it appears that 
> my "high tom" pad won't trigger if played simultaneously with other pads 
> (at least not with the kick). I tried a bit of swapping things around 
> (pads, cables) and adjust the trigger sensitivy in the DR4 to no avail. 
> Is this a common problem?

As described it sounds as if the Alesis is the culprit.

Can the tom trigger the kick input? Can the kick trigger the high tom 
input? If so... blame the Alesis even more.

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Have you tried to change the pads of Tom1 and Tom2? That would give the answer wether the Alesis or the pad is faulty

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@...> wrote:

>
> Myrios skrev:
> >  
> > 
> > I've got an older Simmons hexpad set (kick and all) setup on a Gibraltar 
> > stand connected to an Alesis DR4. It sounds great, but it appears that 
> > my "high tom" pad won't trigger if played simultaneously with other pads 
> > (at least not with the kick). I tried a bit of swapping things around 
> > (pads, cables) and adjust the trigger sensitivy in the DR4 to no avail. 
> > Is this a common problem?
> 
> As described it sounds as if the Alesis is the culprit.
> 
> Can the tom trigger the kick input? Can the kick trigger the high tom 
> input? If so... blame the Alesis even more.
> 
> -- 
> electronically yours, jesper
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Hmmm... sounds like a polyphony problem no ?
it used to happen on VDrums ... you would play 2 or 3pads right  in the smae
time & some sounds would disappear. A sort bad polyphony managment.

Check if there isn't anything to assign or if it's the triggering module
architecture which is like this.

It might not be that ...But it happens...

good luck




Selon Myrios <myrios@...>:

> I've got an older Simmons hexpad set (kick and all) setup on a Gibraltar
> stand connected to an Alesis DR4.  It sounds great, but it appears that my
> "high tom" pad won't trigger if played simultaneously with other pads (at
> least not with the kick).  I tried a bit of swapping things around (pads,
> cables) and adjust the trigger sensitivy in the DR4 to no avail.  Is this a
> common problem?
>
> thanks,
> jeff
>
>

Hi
Most likely you have a setting in the Alesis wrong (it's called a userbug
:-)
Should look for something like: (it's from the manual off the D4 page 19,
since you wrote DR4, i assumed it's the D4)


Multi: 
When triggering a note repeatedly, each trigger will cause the sound to go
through its entire decay. This is useful with cymbals, since early strikes
continue to
decay as you play later strikes.

Single: 
When triggering a note repeatedly, a new hit will automatically terminate
any
sound that is still decaying. This is useful with many percussion sounds
(such as tambourine, agogo, etc.).

Group 1 and 2: 
A newly-triggered voice assigned to a particular group (1 or 2) will cut
off a voice assigned to the same group if the older voice is still sustaining.
Theclassic use of this is with hi-hats; a closed high-hat will cut off an
open hi-hat, and hitting an open hi-hat sound will cut off a closed hi-hat.


I have the feeling the pad is set a little to tight and false- or doubletriggers
a little and the setting for the pad is on "single"


Hope this helps (and sorry for answering a question on something else then
Simmons :-)

Berk

This could be as well!
I've made my own midimarimba, same probs

berk
>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: Jacquot.Patrice@...
>Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 09:37:31 +0200
>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Problem with simultaneous trigger
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>Hmmm... sounds like a polyphony problem no ?
>it used to happen on VDrums ... you would play 2 or 3pads right  in the
smae
>time & some sounds would disappear. A sort bad polyphony managment.
>
>Check if there isn't anything to assign or if it's the triggering module
>architecture which is like this.
>
>It might not be that ...But it happens...
>
>good luck
>
>
>
>
>Selon Myrios <myrios@...>:
>
>> I've got an older Simmons hexpad set (kick and all) setup on a Gibraltar
>> stand connected to an Alesis DR4.  It sounds great, but it appears that
>my
>> "high tom" pad won't trigger if played simultaneously with other pads
(at

>> least not with the kick).  I tried a bit of swapping things around (pads,
>> cables) and adjust the trigger sensitivy in the DR4 to no avail.  Is this
>a
>> common problem?
>>
>> thanks,
>> jeff
>>
>>
>
>

Berk Aarts skrev:
> Hi
> Most likely you have a setting in the Alesis wrong (it's called a userbug
> :-)

In Sweden we say "Skit bakom spakarna" which translates into "Crap 
Behind the Controls". :)

Or we can simply come to the conclusion that the good old Simmons pads 
aren't to blame, but instead the digital crap from Alesis. ;)

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

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Well that might be the problem: perhaps the ol' simmons is a little worn
and a bit sensitive, since they hang in a racksystem. I think it's double
triggering: either the go'd ol' paddy's or the D4 alesis (which is also a
bit old, bought my first one in I think 1991, which makes me a bit off  dinosaur
too)

Berk

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>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: jesper <jesper@...>
>Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:05:19 +0200
>Subject: Re: Betr: [Simmons Drums] Problem with simultaneous trigger
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Berk Aarts skrev:
>> Hi
>> Most likely you have a setting in the Alesis wrong (it's called a userbug
>> :-)
>
>In Sweden we say "Skit bakom spakarna" which translates into "Crap 
>Behind the Controls". :)
>
>Or we can simply come to the conclusion that the good old Simmons pads 
>aren't to blame, but instead the digital crap from Alesis. ;)
>
>-- 
>electronically yours, jesper
>
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