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cranking up the SDS-V output

cranking up the SDS-V output

2010-03-01 by jesper

Hi,

I found an old mail tucked away where someone among our "gods" (can't 
find it again) described that the resistors at the XLR outputs might be 
removed to add plenty of volume to the output of the SDS-V.

Before I dig into my baby with the pliers... Have I understood 
everything correctly? Can I just cut a resistor leg and leave the rest 
there just in case I later want to reverse the process? How much 
difference is there in output?

I only use my SDS-V in my home studio, in a line level setup since I run 
it through a patchbay...

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electronically yours, jesper

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Re: [Simmons Drums] cranking up the SDS-V output

2010-03-01 by jesper

Found the message again, it was Michael's and written back in Sept 2006:

"To get a fat output (line level), remove all seven 68 ohm resistors on 
the backpanel (wired between pin 1 and 3 on all seven individual 
outputs). And if you have your SDSV opened already, you can change the 
output wiring."

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

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jesper skrev:
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> Hi,
> 
> I found an old mail tucked away where someone among our "gods" (can't
> find it again) described that the resistors at the XLR outputs might be
> removed to add plenty of volume to the output of the SDS-V.
> 
> Before I dig into my baby with the pliers... Have I understood
> everything correctly? Can I just cut a resistor leg and leave the rest
> there just in case I later want to reverse the process? How much
> difference is there in output?
> 
> I only use my SDS-V in my home studio, in a line level setup since I run
> it through a patchbay...
> 
> -- 
> electronically yours, jesper
> 
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se

Re: [Simmons Drums] cranking up the SDS-V output + pedal issue

2010-03-01 by jesper

HOLY SMOKE! That sure kicked the hell out of the poor input stage of the 
mixer (though it did survive). Is there a similar "crank mod" for the 
SDS-7 maybe? I'm too lazy to open and check. The SDS-V could be reach 
when still in the rack.

Also, I'm studying the MTM manual and it says that the hihat out works 
well with both SDS-V and -7 but then just mentions setting up the SDS-7.

I might be too cautious, but I don't want to fry anything. Is there a 
good way to get the open/close/closing effect when controlling the MTM 
by midi?

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

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Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] cranking up the SDS-V output

2010-03-01 by Berk Aarts

this is not about the pads, this is inside the module!
Seems the pinning on the XLR is wrong, maybe this is also giving less output
since you use a patchbay??
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>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: jesper <jesper@...>
>Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:46:40 +0100
>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] cranking up the SDS-V output
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Found the message again, it was Michael's and written back in Sept 2006:
>
>"To get a fat output (line level), remove all seven 68 ohm resistors on

>the backpanel (wired between pin 1 and 3 on all seven individual 
>outputs). And if you have your SDSV opened already, you can change the 
>output wiring."
>
>-- 
>electronically yours, jesper
>
>- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>www.electronic-obsession.se
>
>
>jesper skrev:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I found an old mail tucked away where someone among our "gods" (can't
>> find it again) described that the resistors at the XLR outputs might be
>> removed to add plenty of volume to the output of the SDS-V.
>> 
>> Before I dig into my baby with the pliers... Have I understood
>> everything correctly? Can I just cut a resistor leg and leave the rest
>> there just in case I later want to reverse the process? How much
>> difference is there in output?
>> 
>> I only use my SDS-V in my home studio, in a line level setup since I run
>> it through a patchbay...
>> 
>> -- 
>> electronically yours, jesper
>> 
>> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>> www.electronic-obsession.se

Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] cranking up the SDS-V output

2010-03-01 by jesper

Berk Aarts skrev:
> this is not about the pads, this is inside the module!

I know, and I just cut them close to the soldering joint. It sure 
helped! When racked you see the inside from the top of the unit since 
the cover is removed. I climbed in behind my massive rack and removed 
the back panel screws to get room for the cutter.

> Seems the pinning on the XLR is wrong, maybe this is also giving less output
> since you use a patchbay??

No, it was the resistors pulling the signal down. My wiring is correct 
and has worked for years... Simmons was british, hence everything is a 
bit "exotic". The way we all like it! :)

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

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Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] cranking up the SDS-V output

2010-03-01 by Michael Buchner

I always wondered about these resistors, but finally I was told the story: 
Old live mixing consoles had their multicores and -multipin connectors wired 
hard to the MICROPHONE inputs and most of even the expensive consoles had no 
pads on the channel inputs. The resistors of the SDSVs individual outs 
reduced the line level to mic level.
The l/r and mono outputs were designed to drive monitor speakers and had not 
to be run through multicores. So they could stay line to drive a power amp.

Sad to say, that we had many problems to wire SDSVs correct for live on 
stage use. The outputs had XLR plugs without being symmetric. So hum 
problems occured. Because of the individual outputs mic level the use of DI 
boxes was impossible. Wiring of pad input was pin 2 hot, output 3 hot. And 
all these XLR plugs cost a fortune these days.
History...
Michael
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> I know, and I just cut them close to the soldering joint. It sure
> helped! When racked you see the inside from the top of the unit since
> the cover is removed. I climbed in behind my massive rack and removed
> the back panel screws to get room for the cutter.
>
>> Seems the pinning on the XLR is wrong, maybe this is also giving less 
>> output
>> since you use a patchbay??
>
> No, it was the resistors pulling the signal down. My wiring is correct
> and has worked for years... Simmons was british, hence everything is a
> bit "exotic". The way we all like it! :)
>
> -- 
> electronically yours, jesper
>
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Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] cranking up the SDS-V output

2010-03-01 by jesper

Michael Buchner skrev:
> I always wondered about these resistors, but finally I was told the story: 
---
> all these XLR plugs cost a fortune these days.

Thanks for the lesson! All my XLR-cables are marked either 2+ or 3+ to 
allow for easier patching... (Though I still wonder about that SDS-7 
with serial 250...)

I don't find the XLR's that expensive. I've found a good supplier. Sure, 
it's not switchcraft, but I'm not going on a world tour either. If 
you're a greedy bastard there is noone stopping you from hard wiring to 
the inside either. :D

BTW, with a lot of will and some force (or as we say in Sweden, "vilja, 
våld och vaselin") I managed to squeeze the d**n Paragon brain into my 
rack today. Next day off will probably mean some MTM-patching...

*piouw*

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

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Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] cranking up the SDS-V output

2010-03-02 by Michael Buchner

As I said: They WERE expensive THESE DAYS, only switchcraft being available. 
And the female XLR was half as much more than the male, like shoes in a shoe 
shop TODAY...
B.t.W.: An XLR cable has no +, nor on pin 3 neither on pin 2. It is only a 
cable. I think you mean adaptors.

Michael
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From: "jesper" <jesper@...>
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Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] cranking up the SDS-V output


Michael Buchner skrev:
> I always wondered about these resistors, but finally I was told the story:
---
> all these XLR plugs cost a fortune these days.

Thanks for the lesson! All my XLR-cables are marked either 2+ or 3+ to
allow for easier patching... (Though I still wonder about that SDS-7
with serial 250...)

I don't find the XLR's that expensive. I've found a good supplier. Sure,
it's not switchcraft, but I'm not going on a world tour either. If
you're a greedy bastard there is noone stopping you from hard wiring to
the inside either. :D

BTW, with a lot of will and some force (or as we say in Sweden, "vilja,
v\ufffdld och vaselin") I managed to squeeze the d**n Paragon brain into my
rack today. Next day off will probably mean some MTM-patching...

*piouw*

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se



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Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] cranking up the SDS-V output

2010-03-03 by jesper

Hi list,

neither Michael nor me has english as our first language. That sure lays 
a good foundation for misunderstandings. Here's what I meant:

Michael Buchner skrev:
> As I said: They WERE expensive THESE DAYS, only switchcraft being available. 

OK, you meant THOSE days, as in the past. Then we sure mean the same thing.

> B.t.W.: An XLR cable has no +, nor on pin 3 neither on pin 2. It is only a 
> cable. I think you mean adaptors.

But my finished cables are marked like I said. Call'em leads or cords or 
whatever. Neither plugs nor the wires are anything until connected. It 
was only a hint for anyone making their own that they should mark them 
in a good way to eliminate headaches further down the path.

Keep hitting those hexagons! :D

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

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Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] cranking up the SDS-V output

2010-03-03 by Michael Buchner

We could do a german month, Jesper! This means, you accept only blogs in 
proper german language: XLR Kabel haben keine positiven oder negativen Pins, 
weil es nur Kabel sind.
After that, we have smorebrod weeks: Only swedish language is accepted.
By the way: Sure, I make faults, but I think my english is quite good for a 
guy from Frankfurt. You are right, it must be "those", like in "those were 
the days, my friend". To get back to the topic, the XLR female for cables 
were the most expensive ones THOSE DAYS; they cost around 8 Mark THOSE DAYS. 
To compare the value: You could get a good pizza and a coke for 8 Mark THOSE 
DAYS.

:-)

Michael




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From: "jesper" <jesper@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] cranking up the SDS-V output


> Hi list,
>
> neither Michael nor me has english as our first language. That sure lays
> a good foundation for misunderstandings. Here's what I meant:
>
> Michael Buchner skrev:
>> As I said: They WERE expensive THESE DAYS, only switchcraft being 
>> available.
>
> OK, you meant THOSE days, as in the past. Then we sure mean the same 
> thing.
>
>> B.t.W.: An XLR cable has no +, nor on pin 3 neither on pin 2. It is only 
>> a
>> cable. I think you mean adaptors.
>
> But my finished cables are marked like I said. Call'em leads or cords or
> whatever. Neither plugs nor the wires are anything until connected. It
> was only a hint for anyone making their own that they should mark them
> in a good way to eliminate headaches further down the path.
>
> Keep hitting those hexagons! :D
>
> -- 
> electronically yours, jesper
>
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
>
>
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>
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Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] cranking up the SDS-V output

2010-03-05 by jesper

:D

XLR contacts were really expensive. No wonder so few keyboard 
synthesizer lack them. I think I only own three which supports XLR out: 
Chroma, Avatar and CP-35...

But no, no language month, bitte. The minimoog list was recently flooded 
with italian. I'm quite good at understanding other languages, but apart 
from swedish and english, german is the only one I use from time to time 
and that's just because ebay.de is my second home. :)

Back to the hexa-business...

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Michael Buchner skrev:
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> We could do a german month, Jesper! This means, you accept only blogs in 
> proper german language: XLR Kabel haben keine positiven oder negativen Pins, 
> weil es nur Kabel sind.
> After that, we have smorebrod weeks: Only swedish language is accepted.
> By the way: Sure, I make faults, but I think my english is quite good for a 
> guy from Frankfurt. You are right, it must be "those", like in "those were 
> the days, my friend". To get back to the topic, the XLR female for cables 
> were the most expensive ones THOSE DAYS; they cost around 8 Mark THOSE DAYS. 
> To compare the value: You could get a good pizza and a coke for 8 Mark THOSE 
> DAYS.
> 
> :-)
> 
> Michael

Looking for a Portakit owner: need a SYSEX backup

2010-03-08 by Eduardo Ojeda

Hello,

I still have some problems with my Portakit and would appreciate very much if another Portakit owner could send me a full backup (save mem all) in SysEx format in a .ZIP file.

Thanks,

Ed.   




      

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which module is this??

2010-07-23 by Berk Aarts

missed this one on a the dutch auction site, which module is this?? the picture
is to bad, or I'm getting to old

http://link.marktplaats.nl/362218495

berk

Re: which module is this??

2010-07-24 by Dean

Judging by what it looks like to the trained eye, that's a Simmons SDS8.

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...> wrote:
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>
> missed this one on a the dutch auction site, which module is this?? the picture
> is to bad, or I'm getting to old
> 
> http://link.marktplaats.nl/362218495
> 
> berk
>

Re: which module is this??

2010-07-24 by Matty

It's an SDS8.....I agree, terrible picture!

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...> wrote:
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>
> missed this one on a the dutch auction site, which module is this?? the picture
> is to bad, or I'm getting to old
> 
> http://link.marktplaats.nl/362218495
> 
> berk
>

Re: [Simmons Drums] which module is this??

2010-07-24 by Michael Buchner

SDS8.
HELLO! SOMEBODY AT HOME???? :-)
Yours
Michael...




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From: "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...>
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Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 1:22 AM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] which module is this??


> missed this one on a the dutch auction site, which module is this?? the 
> picture
> is to bad, or I'm getting to old
>
> http://link.marktplaats.nl/362218495
>
> berk
>
>
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Re: [Simmons Drums] which module is this??

2010-07-24 by KW

oohh i wish this marktplaats site could be translated in english.... it's really good!! 
 
and yes it is an SDS8, no need to be rude Mike :=)
 
cheers.

--- Den lör 2010-07-24 skrev Michael Buchner <buchnerelectronics@...>:


Från: Michael Buchner <buchnerelectronics@...>
Ämne: Re: [Simmons Drums] which module is this??
Till: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Datum: lördag 24 juli 2010 03:27


SDS8.
HELLO! SOMEBODY AT HOME???? :-)
Yours
Michael...
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 1:22 AM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] which module is this??


> missed this one on a the dutch auction site, which module is this?? the 
> picture
> is to bad, or I'm getting to old
>
> http://link.marktplaats.nl/362218495
>
> berk
>
>
>
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Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: which module is this??

2010-07-25 by jesper

Don't be modest. We all know that it's Berk getting old. ;)

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Matty skrev:
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> It's an SDS8.....I agree, terrible picture!
> 
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...> wrote:
>  >
>  > missed this one on a the dutch auction site, which module is this?? 
> the picture
>  > is to bad, or I'm getting to old
>  >
>  > http://link.marktplaats.nl/362218495
>  >
>  > berk

Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: which module is this??

2010-07-25 by Berk Aarts

No, just my eyes  :-))
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>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: jesper <jesper@...>
>Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:26:27 +0200
>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: which module is this??
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Don't be modest. We all know that it's Berk getting old. ;)
>
>-- 
>electronically yours, jesper
>
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>
>
>Matty skrev:
>> It's an SDS8.....I agree, terrible picture!
>> 
>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com 
>> <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...> wrote:
>>  >
>>  > missed this one on a the dutch auction site, which module is this??
>
>> the picture
>>  > is to bad, or I'm getting to old
>>  >
>>  > http://link.marktplaats.nl/362218495
>>  >
>>  > berk

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