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Hi!

> I want to know why the hell I can't fire my SDSV (or SDS7 for that
> matter) from its' synth-in's from individual outputs (16 of 'em)
> from my SDX? I've tried a million different ways to play the V's
> sounds without the pads in the past, but I've only gotten them to
> work when I had a SDS6. What gives??

It needs a lot of juice! That's the simple answer... 15 volts I think to
trigger at maximum and few machines supply that. You can use lower voltages
too, but crank the sensitive pot to maximum and stay at least at 5 volts or
so... Most pads don't deliver more than 1,5 or so (I think that's max on the
pad inputs). So, either ¨

1. rewire and send the trigs to the pad inputs

or

2. send higher voltages...

> Any thoughts?

Yepp, let me know if thisn't was a solution to you...

electronically yours, jesper
www.electronic-obsession.se

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OR find AN MTM (in USA) !...That's one of the things it's done for !!!

CU here or there !

Patrice.

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "jesper" <jesper@e...> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> > I want to know why the hell I can't fire my SDSV (or SDS7 for
that
> > matter) from its' synth-in's from individual outputs (16 of 'em)
> > from my SDX? I've tried a million different ways to play the V's
> > sounds without the pads in the past, but I've only gotten them to
> > work when I had a SDS6. What gives??
>
> It needs a lot of juice! That's the simple answer... 15 volts I
think to
> trigger at maximum and few machines supply that. You can use lower
voltages
> too, but crank the sensitive pot to maximum and stay at least at 5
volts or
> so... Most pads don't deliver more than 1,5 or so (I think that's
max on the
> pad inputs). So, either ¨
>
> 1. rewire and send the trigs to the pad inputs
>
> or
>
> 2. send higher voltages...
>
> > Any thoughts?
>
> Yepp, let me know if thisn't was a solution to you...
>
> electronically yours, jesper
> www.electronic-obsession.se
>
> back online!

if you're on a sdx why would you want to trigger a sds v ??!!
get the sounds you want and sample it itnto the sdx and you're away
i'm just about to start a whole batch of shell kits with a view to providing the playability and the sounds that seemed to be missing from the sdx patches i have aqquired when i got my units and the big simmons sound (in my case a sds9 unit ) will be the source
but voltages (or lack of ) is why you are not getting a trigger and given the fragile nature of sdsv and sdx i would not want to meddle too much
cheers
3dp


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arcimge:

> if you're on a sdx why would you want to trigger a sds v ??!!
> get the sounds you want and sample it itnto the sdx and you're away

GAAAAAH!!! He said the magic word... SAMPLE... Heretic, call the spanish
inquisition! ;)

Could it be that it's easier to tweak the sounds during playback for
example?!


electronically yours, jesper
www.electronic-obsession.se

back online!

Could it be that it's easier to tweak the sounds during playback for
example?!

obviously different strokes for folks
me i love samples but it took me a couple of years to track down a sdx (now have 2 of them - greed is good) when i could happily go with a roland td10/ddrumetc - another dirty word!! sdx is more than a drumset it's a audio workstation albeit a little long in the tooth when going against more samplers etc
i used to demo sdsv when i worked in a music shop when i was 20 (i'm now 39) and finally bought a sds9/mtx9 in '87 i think (stolen in '94) combo which gave me the digital/anologue but that soon was added to by akai s900/1000's
anyway the point i'm making is if you have a sdx you will have a whole range of dynamic playing option with the zi that the riot shield setup could never afford and it's simmons by simmons if you see what i mean

i'm sure theres something in here about trying to fire up a ford model t with a jumbo jet

----- Original Message -----
From: jesper
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDSV synth-in & SDX



arcimge:
> if you're on a sdx why would you want to trigger a sds v ??!!
> get the sounds you want and sample it itnto the sdx and you're away

GAAAAAH!!! He said the magic word... SAMPLE... Heretic, call the spanish
inquisition! ;)

Could it be that it's easier to tweak the sounds during playback for
example?!


electronically yours, jesper
www.electronic-obsession.se

back online!




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Hey guys,
before sampling could reach analog smooth variations
we'll need
to change seriously the sampling frequencies !!!
A friend of mine told me than simply by recording some audio material
to reach the analog you don't need 96 KHZ not even 192 KHZ but 384
KHZ...(like PYRAMIX for ex.)
So I find difficult to believe that the SDX can restitute the SDSV
Capabilities with only 44.1 KHZ, (that's why I have an SDX & that I
preciously keep my SDSV...) .
There are some SDSV samples in the SDX, some are from the Phil
Collins SDSV ; it's pretty far from the reality..I can't explain it's
very dry, you haven't got the juice of the SDSV filters, even if you
can add the juice of the SDX, it's 2 (& too) very different machines.
It's true that the SDX filters are incredible too, but that's really
not the same sound at all !!!
But if you have a way of just approaching the SDSV sound &
expressivness of it, I'm interested to know how you do I might not
have seen a big part of SDX & samplers ...
I used quite a lot the ZI pads & don't share the "dynamic" opinion
you have..They have a lot of qualities but I'm not sure that's this
one...
The best I have played are my DD3 pads setted with some Mesheads
skins which is approaching seriously from the acoustic drum kit
dynamic...It wasn't the case till these new skins ; don't ask me
why , I have no idea...
Since , I'm dreamig to drive the SDX from my DDRUM pads , but how
finding again the ZONING ...?....
Right , I've said it all ...
Very intersted by your next answers...always good to learn anyway !
CU All !
Patrice.

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "david pinnington"
<cheesegrater@b...> wrote:

> Could it be that it's easier to tweak the sounds during playback for
> example?!
>
> obviously different strokes for folks
> me i love samples but it took me a couple of years to track down a

sdx (now have 2 of them - greed is good) when i could happily go with
a roland td10/ddrumetc - another dirty word!! sdx is more than a
drumset it's a audio workstation albeit a little long in the tooth
when going against more samplers etc

> i used to demo sdsv when i worked in a music shop when i was 20

(i'm now 39) and finally bought a sds9/mtx9 in '87 i think (stolen
in '94) combo which gave me the digital/anologue but that soon was
added to by akai s900/1000's

> anyway the point i'm making is if you have a sdx you will have a

whole range of dynamic playing option with the zi that the riot
shield setup could never afford and it's simmons by simmons if you
see what i mean

>
> i'm sure theres something in here about trying to fire up a ford

model t with a jumbo jet

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jesper
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDSV synth-in & SDX
>
>
>
> arcimge:
> > if you're on a sdx why would you want to trigger a sds v ??!!
> > get the sounds you want and sample it itnto the sdx and you're

away

>
> GAAAAAH!!! He said the magic word... SAMPLE... Heretic, call the

spanish

> inquisition! ;)
>
> Could it be that it's easier to tweak the sounds during playback

for

> example?!
>
>
> electronically yours, jesper
> www.electronic-obsession.se
>
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Hi David... and list!

I see your point. Since I just occasionally actually _play_ my drums I
prefer triggering and it working perfectly...

But to make up for the not drumming thing... When i _do_ hit those pads in
realtime I have a TMI that allows me to play sounds from sampler, my MAM
DRM-1 etc too so it could've been a lot worse... ;)

electronically yours, jesper
www.electronic-obsession.se

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----- Original Message -----
From: "david pinnington" <cheesegrater@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDSV synth-in & SDX


>
> Could it be that it's easier to tweak the sounds during playback for
> example?!
>
> obviously different strokes for folks
> me i love samples but it took me a couple of years to track down a sdx
(now have 2 of them - greed is good) when i could happily go with a roland
td10/ddrumetc - another dirty word!! sdx is more than a drumset it's a
audio workstation albeit a little long in the tooth when going against more
samplers etc
> i used to demo sdsv when i worked in a music shop when i was 20 (i'm now
39) and finally bought a sds9/mtx9 in '87 i think (stolen in '94) combo
which gave me the digital/anologue but that soon was added to by akai
s900/1000's
> anyway the point i'm making is if you have a sdx you will have a whole
range of dynamic playing option with the zi that the riot shield setup could
never afford and it's simmons by simmons if you see what i mean
>
> i'm sure theres something in here about trying to fire up a ford model t
with a jumbo jet
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jesper
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDSV synth-in & SDX
>
>
>
> arcimge:
> > if you're on a sdx why would you want to trigger a sds v ??!!
> > get the sounds you want and sample it itnto the sdx and you're away
>
> GAAAAAH!!! He said the magic word... SAMPLE... Heretic, call the spanish
> inquisition! ;)
>
> Could it be that it's easier to tweak the sounds during playback for
> example?!
>
>
> electronically yours, jesper
> www.electronic-obsession.se
>
> back online!
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