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SDX Sampling

2008-12-11 by rolandbrenner@netzero.net

Hey !
 
I'm currently in the process of sampling sounds from Roland modules into the system. While I've only skimmed the surface, results have been pretty great so far. Anyone have any experiences or tricks to share?



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Re: [Simmons Drums] SDX Sampling

2008-12-11 by Patrice Jacquot

Hi Roland ,
any sampler , even best ones like Fairlights need to get a very good  
signal in !
"Garbage in / garbage out" !


I highly recommend to use a good preamp to do so ...
a Universal Audio Solo 610 (valve version) , or even solo 110  
(transistor version) for example ...
I just tryed it ! you won't  recognize the  sounds . it gives them  
more air & a so nice low end.
It should be another quality level  in the SDX ;- )

If you haven't access to that sort of preamp it's really worthwhile  
renting one for 1 or 2 days ...

Of course if you have access to an SSL or a Neve, it might be better,   
otherwise the Universal Audio will do a really great job.

After the preamp  , you can compress of course before to go to the SDX  
input...even "expand" it ...

or use your plugins to sculpt your sound or optimize it...

But the 1st part (& unavailable one) is the preamp !

Hope that helps
Let me know ;- )

Patrice.
PS by the way it's working very good with analog SDSV or 7 (& so on)...



Le 11 déc. 08 à 19:16, rolandbrenner@netzero.net a écrit :

> Hey !
>
> I'm currently in the process of sampling sounds from Roland modules  
> into the system. While I've only skimmed the surface, results have  
> been pretty great so far. Anyone have any experiences or tricks to  
> share?
>
> - Roland
> http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
> http://home.rr.com/zengine
> __________________________________________________________
> Get a degree and open new doors. Click to find flexible and  
> affordable programs now.
> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/PnY6rc147JShVeR86TRRCXsYWzbvsgKknokERwlPZgHHVOv6UCqts/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



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Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDX Sampling

2008-12-11 by Berk Aarts

My "trick"
get a few good basic samples. Save them, and then tweak the hell out off
it.
Fuun, allways original sounds, can be a bit frustrating too (who gives a
F*&^*&). I had thousands off drumsamples, but I found out I was only tweaking


hope this helps
Have fun, and keep us informed

greetings Berk
PS a great kinda analog feeling device is the Korg ER 1. Hope no-one gets
hurt
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>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
>Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:16:12 +0100
>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDX Sampling
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Hi Roland ,
>any sampler , even best ones like Fairlights need to get a very good  
>signal in !
>"Garbage in / garbage out" !
>
>
>I highly recommend to use a good preamp to do so ...
>a Universal Audio Solo 610 (valve version) , or even solo 110  
>(transistor version) for example ...
>I just tryed it ! you won't  recognize the  sounds . it gives them  
>more air & a so nice low end.
>It should be another quality level  in the SDX ;- )
>
>If you haven't access to that sort of preamp it's really worthwhile  
>renting one for 1 or 2 days ...
>
>Of course if you have access to an SSL or a Neve, it might be better,  

>otherwise the Universal Audio will do a really great job.
>
>After the preamp  , you can compress of course before to go to the SDX 

>input...even "expand" it ...
>
>or use your plugins to sculpt your sound or optimize it...
>
>But the 1st part (& unavailable one) is the preamp !
>
>Hope that helps
>Let me know ;- )
>
>Patrice.
>PS by the way it's working very good with analog SDSV or 7 (& so on)...
>
>
>
>Le 11 déc. 08 à 19:16, rolandbrenner@... a écrit :
>
>> Hey !
>>
>> I'm currently in the process of sampling sounds from Roland modules  
>> into the system. While I've only skimmed the surface, results have  
>> been pretty great so far. Anyone have any experiences or tricks to  
>> share?
>>
>> - Roland
>> http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
>> http://home.rr.com/zengine
>> __________________________________________________________
>> Get a degree and open new doors. Click to find flexible and  
>> affordable programs now.
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/PnY6rc147JShVeR86TRRCXsYWzbvsgKknokERwlPZgHHVOv6UCqts/
>>
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>>
>> 
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Re: [Simmons Drums] SDX Sampling

2008-12-12 by rolandbrenner@netzero.net

Interesting !
 
The first sample I took was a pretty powerful acoustic tom. I went directly out from the Roland module into the SDX. I compared the two and it wasn't an exact clone, but damn close. I figured I'd have to mess around with the sample rates & such. As I mentioned, I'm just skimming the surface here so far.

 
So you think it is imperative that I use a preamp as you suggest? This is valuable information to me and I really appreciate it !!
 
Also, If I could sample some SDSV toms like Denny Carmassi's V's on Heart's Passionworks album, I'd be ecstatic !!!
 


- Roland
http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
http://home.rr.com/zengine
 
Hi Roland ,
any sampler , even best ones like Fairlights need to get a very good 
signal in !
"Garbage in / garbage out" !

I highly recommend to use a good preamp to do so ...
a Universal Audio Solo 610 (valve version) , or even solo 110 
(transistor version) for example ...
I just tryed it ! you won't recognize the sounds . it gives them 
more air & a so nice low end.
It should be another quality level in the SDX ;- )

If you haven't access to that sort of preamp it's really worthwhile 
renting one for 1 or 2 days ...

Of course if you have access to an SSL or a Neve, it might be better, 
otherwise the Universal Audio will do a really great job.

After the preamp , you can compress of course before to go to the SDX 
input...even "expand" it ...

or use your plugins to sculpt your sound or optimize it...

But the 1st part (& unavailable one) is the preamp !

Hope that helps
Let me know ;- )

Patrice.
PS by the way it's working very good with analog SDSV or 7 (& so on)...

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Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDX Sampling

2008-12-12 by rolandbrenner@netzero.net

I know, I know...
 
Got to break free of the tweaking and get back to actually playing !! Or perhaps a healthier balance between the two.
 
Thanks Berk !



- Roland
http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
http://home.rr.com/zengine
 
My "trick"
get a few good basic samples. Save them, and then tweak the hell out off
it.
Fuun, allways original sounds, can be a bit frustrating too (who gives a
F*&^*&). I had thousands off drumsamples, but I found out I was only tweaking


hope this helps
Have fun, and keep us informed

greetings Berk
PS a great kinda analog feeling device is the Korg ER 1. Hope no-one gets
hurt

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Betr: Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDX Sampling

2008-12-12 by Berk Aarts

I know, I know
owned a SDX, stopped playing and the tweaking came in
it never stopped, how many times I told myself not to do it

have fun and keep up the good work

Berk
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>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: "rolandbrenner@..." <rolandbrenner@...>
>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:48:36 GMT
>Subject: Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDX Sampling
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>I know, I know...
> 
>Got to break free of the tweaking and get back to actually playing !! Or
>perhaps a healthier balance between the two.
> 
>Thanks Berk !
>
>
>
>- Roland
>http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
>http://home.rr.com/zengine
> 
>My "trick"
>get a few good basic samples. Save them, and then tweak the hell out off
>it.
>Fuun, allways original sounds, can be a bit frustrating too (who gives a
>F*&^*&). I had thousands off drumsamples, but I found out I was only tweaking
>
>
>hope this helps
>Have fun, and keep us informed
>
>greetings Berk
>PS a great kinda analog feeling device is the Korg ER 1. Hope no-one gets
>hurt
>
>____________________________________________________________
>Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project.
>http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/PnY6rc1zNYJXpyIjJyesoTYNchz402K5IP2k5sO5d5SdhV1po8J1w/
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Re: [Simmons Drums] SDX Sampling

2008-12-12 by Patrice Jacquot

Just need to experiment really ...
What is sure , Denny Carmassi (his audio engineer...) went through  
high end preamp to achieve that...
After you can of course have some peripheric treatment but 80% of the  
grain comes from the preamp & eventually EQs...
If you can dig about what was the console they recorded on , who  
knows ...you might be able to approach seriously the sound you want.

in the 8O's the SSL4000 was greatly acclaimed for the Drums, Guitars,  
Bass etc ...Neve (the famous 1073 )for the voices (& so much)...
That's why you can find them in plug in today ...the final touch was  
brought by the Bus famous compressor ...

But even so ...1st Decisive step : high end preamp !

There are some producer SSL racks...probably available for renting as  
well .

I never liked Roland at all....except a tom set ...
I feel it's a quite close sound, What I mean is that they haven't some  
incredible converters to give us a high end sound ...
Remember "Garbage in Garbage out" ;- )
What the SDX have (CEMs)...
But, With a good preamp, you'll rediscover the sound of your module...
I just had the experience with an EMU Procussion !


for the analog SDSV it might be a bit more complicated but the sound  
you'll find won't be crap anyway by using a good preamp.
the problem with the V is the excellence references we have in our  
memory ;- )
& the crap ones too...

When you're starting that, you're arriving in the preamp colours  
world  (& compressors one) ... but it stays highend sounds that will  
be great to play & to hear anyway...

Please let us know about your experimentations...

(& no I don't think sample rate will change much the problem...but  
it's not risky to try ...)

Have fun !
Patrice.




Le 12 déc. 08 à 04:35, rolandbrenner@... a écrit :

> Interesting !
>
> The first sample I took was a pretty powerful acoustic tom. I went  
> directly out from the Roland module into the SDX. I compared the two  
> and it wasn't an exact clone, but damn close. I figured I'd have to  
> mess around with the sample rates & such. As I mentioned, I'm just  
> skimming the surface here so far.
>
> So you think it is imperative that I use a preamp as you suggest?  
> This is valuable information to me and I really appreciate it !!
>
> Also, If I could sample some SDSV toms like Denny Carmassi's V's on  
> Heart's Passionworks album, I'd be ecstatic !!!
>
>
> - Roland
> http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
> http://home.rr.com/zengine
>
> Hi Roland ,
> any sampler , even best ones like Fairlights need to get a very good
> signal in !
> "Garbage in / garbage out" !
>
> I highly recommend to use a good preamp to do so ...
> a Universal Audio Solo 610 (valve version) , or even solo 110
> (transistor version) for example ...
> I just tryed it ! you won't recognize the sounds . it gives them
> more air & a so nice low end.
> It should be another quality level in the SDX ;- )
>
> If you haven't access to that sort of preamp it's really worthwhile
> renting one for 1 or 2 days ...
>
> Of course if you have access to an SSL or a Neve, it might be better,
> otherwise the Universal Audio will do a really great job.
>
> After the preamp , you can compress of course before to go to the SDX
> input...even "expand" it ...
>
> or use your plugins to sculpt your sound or optimize it...
>
> But the 1st part (& unavailable one) is the preamp !
>
> Hope that helps
> Let me know ;- )
>
> Patrice.
> PS by the way it's working very good with analog SDSV or 7 (& so  
> on)...
>
> __________________________________________________________
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> Click here!
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Re: [Simmons Drums] SDX Sampling

2008-12-12 by Gordon Pearce

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Patrice Jacquot
<Jacquot.Patrice@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Roland ,
> any sampler , even best ones like Fairlights need to get a very good  
> signal in !

Uhm, the Fairlight was a *terrible* sampler, long surpassed by the
sampling capabilities of musical greetings cards and Tickle Me Elmo.

> "Garbage in / garbage out" !

This is extremely true.

> 
> I highly recommend to use a good preamp to do so ...
> a Universal Audio Solo 610 (valve version) , or even solo 110  
> (transistor version) for example ...
> I just tryed it ! you won't  recognize the  sounds . it gives them  
> more air & a so nice low end.
> It should be another quality level  in the SDX ;- )

Aye right.  And don't forget to use solid gold phono plugs, and
unidirectional grain-orientated oxygen-free copper interconnects.

> If you haven't access to that sort of preamp it's really worthwhile  
> renting one for 1 or 2 days ...

Make sure you get pictures of yourself with it in the studio.  It'll
lend a lot of geek cred to your website pics.  Won't help the sound
any, but it will look cool...

More seriously, the important bit is filtering off high frequencies
that cannot be captured by the sampler and which will cause aliasing.

I'm sure we're all familiar with Nyquist's Theorem, which says that
you need to sample at twice the maximum signal frequency or more.  In
practice, the highest frequencies present in the sampled signal should
be somewhat lower than half the sample rate.

For a good example, let's look at the venerable Ensoniq Mirage.  Used
normally, it passed the sample input through one of its 24dB/octave
filters.  What does that mean exactly?  Well, the frequency response
tails off as we go beyond the cutoff frequency, so that by the time
we've gone to twice the frequency the output is 24dB quieter - about
1/250th.  For a sample rate of 32kHz we'd have a Nyquist frequency of
16kHz.  If we set the cutoff frequency to 8kHz then by the time we
reach 16kHz then a full-scale signal would be reduced to 1/250, which
for an 8-bit sampler like the Mirage puts it down into the noise.  In
practice, it's only the upper harmonics of a signal that are likely to
be a problem, and since these are generally well down on the
fundamental we could increase the cutoff to around 12kHz before
noticing much aliasing.

Now, the Mirage had another trick up its sleeve in the form of the
ISF-1 Input Sampling Filter, which included a 40dB/octave lowpass
filter.  Now, this slopes off at a much steeper rate, so that by the
time we've gone up an octave the filtered signal is 1/10000 - one
ten-thousandth - of the input!  This can be tuned far closer to the
Nyquist frequency without letting appreciable amounts of harmonics go
"over the edge".

In short - if you want the best out of an elderly sampler, you're
better to sample from the output of a PC, and apply brickwall passband
filtering to the signal in some sort of audio editing app to remove
anything that's likely to alias.  If you don't fancy doing that, get a
filter with a very sharp cutoff, and possibly a parametric EQ to
sweeten up the input signal.

The preamps and converters in the SDX aren't particularly linear or
"good".  Get the cleanest signal you can, filter carefully, and watch
those levels.

Or, of course, leave the input filter wide open and let it alias
horribly.  It gives a really cool dirty effect.  Very industrial - you
should try it at least once, even if you don't end up liking it.

HTH
  Gordon

Re: SDX Sampling

2008-12-12 by superwolle70

Hi Roland,
have you heard the original SDSV libraries for the SDX? Pretty good
for a non-SDSV
Bye
Wolfgang

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "rolandbrenner@..."
<rolandbrenner@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting !
>  
> The first sample I took was a pretty powerful acoustic tom. I went
directly out from the Roland module into the SDX. I compared the two
and it wasn't an exact clone, but damn close. I figured I'd have to
mess around with the sample rates & such. As I mentioned, I'm just
skimming the surface here so far.
> 
>  
> So you think it is imperative that I use a preamp as you suggest?
This is valuable information to me and I really appreciate it !!
>  
> Also, If I could sample some SDSV toms like Denny Carmassi's V's on
Heart's Passionworks album, I'd be ecstatic !!!
>  
> 
> 
> - Roland
> http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
> http://home.rr.com/zengine
>  
> Hi Roland ,
> any sampler , even best ones like Fairlights need to get a very good 
> signal in !
> "Garbage in / garbage out" !
> 
> I highly recommend to use a good preamp to do so ...
> a Universal Audio Solo 610 (valve version) , or even solo 110 
> (transistor version) for example ...
> I just tryed it ! you won't recognize the sounds . it gives them 
> more air & a so nice low end.
> It should be another quality level in the SDX ;- )
> 
> If you haven't access to that sort of preamp it's really worthwhile 
> renting one for 1 or 2 days ...
> 
> Of course if you have access to an SSL or a Neve, it might be better, 
> otherwise the Universal Audio will do a really great job.
> 
> After the preamp , you can compress of course before to go to the SDX 
> input...even "expand" it ...
> 
> or use your plugins to sculpt your sound or optimize it...
> 
> But the 1st part (& unavailable one) is the preamp !
> 
> Hope that helps
> Let me know ;- )
> 
> Patrice.
> PS by the way it's working very good with analog SDSV or 7 (& so on)...
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
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Re: [Simmons Drums] SDX Sampling

2008-12-12 by Patrice Jacquot

???
On the paper from far I see what you mean... (not better than an 8  
bits soundblaster I suppose ?)
but in the mixer ?

Have you ever used one ?
opened one ?





Le 12 déc. 08 à 10:44, Gordon Pearce a écrit :

> Uhm, the Fairlight was a *terrible* sampler, long surpassed by the
> sampling capabilities of musical greetings cards and Tickle Me Elmo.



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Re: [Simmons Drums] SDX Sampling

2008-12-12 by Thomas Heckmann

The big difference comes in the Fairlights (I'm talking up until IIx)  
sonic sound quality !
Yes it's 8bit, but the best you could ever get in this direction, the  
dynamics and the uniqueness of it still blows me away !
I own both a Fairlight IIx and a Simmons SDX and they are really hard  
to compare. And I own a tickle me Elmo also ;-)
One thing about the SDX - if it wasn't mentioned before - SAVE SAVE  
SAVE ;-)
I had many hours of sampling with the machine just to realize it hang  
up and all was gone...
Best
Thomas


On Dec 12, 2008, at 11:33 AM, Patrice Jacquot wrote:

> ???
> On the paper from far I see what you mean... (not better than an 8
> bits soundblaster I suppose ?)
> but in the mixer ?
>
> Have you ever used one ?
> opened one ?
>
>
>
>
>
> Le 12 déc. 08 à 10:44, Gordon Pearce a écrit :
>
>> Uhm, the Fairlight was a *terrible* sampler, long surpassed by the
>> sampling capabilities of musical greetings cards and Tickle Me Elmo.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Thomas P. Heckmann
Trope Recordings - AFU limited - AFULAB





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Re: [Simmons Drums] SDX Sampling

2008-12-12 by Patrice Jacquot

Hi Thomas,
good to hear you again...
Where were you hidden  ? ;- )

I couldn't agree more.
It's hard to realise what is a Fairlight till you don't use one. &  
have a look to  the voice cards ...
Series II or Series III have incredible ressources & a strong sound  
signature...
The dynamic & low end are astonishing !
You couldn't believe that it's 8 bits tech ...
No possible comparison to Mirage (maybe a bit), or Korg , or Akaï...   
Maybe with the EMUII somewhere...
Even MFX3 are blowing away any Protools system...of course the edition  
is limited compared to today's technology , but the Sound oh God ...
you have to hear it to believe it .
After if you have time you put your attenton to the technology on  
board & suddenly you realise why it's all so powerful...
But I guess it's not really the place to talk about them here. (I  
suppose Jesper won't be late to remind me that ;- )

about the SDX , still big attention on the Soft catalog limits !!!
  (no more than 50 instruments & 100 samples if I remember well...or  
each new sample will erase the previous recorded ones...)
so I confirm : SAVE !!!


bye,
Patrice.



Le 12 déc. 08 à 11:44, Thomas Heckmann a écrit :

> The big difference comes in the Fairlights (I'm talking up until IIx)
> sonic sound quality !
> Yes it's 8bit, but the best you could ever get in this direction, the
> dynamics and the uniqueness of it still blows me away !
> I own both a Fairlight IIx and a Simmons SDX and they are really hard
> to compare. And I own a tickle me Elmo also ;-)
> One thing about the SDX - if it wasn't mentioned before - SAVE SAVE
> SAVE ;-)
> I had many hours of sampling with the machine just to realize it hang
> up and all was gone...
> Best
> Thomas
>
> On Dec 12, 2008, at 11:33 AM, Patrice Jacquot wrote:
>
> > ???
> > On the paper from far I see what you mean... (not better than an 8
> > bits soundblaster I suppose ?)
> > but in the mixer ?
> >
> > Have you ever used one ?
> > opened one ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 12 déc. 08 à 10:44, Gordon Pearce a écrit :
> >
> >> Uhm, the Fairlight was a *terrible* sampler, long surpassed by the
> >> sampling capabilities of musical greetings cards and Tickle Me  
> Elmo.
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> Thomas P. Heckmann
> Trope Recordings - AFU limited - AFULAB
>
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>
>
> 



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Re: [Simmons Drums] SDX Sampling

2008-12-12 by Thomas Heckmann

I was lost in modular madness ;-)

On Dec 12, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Patrice Jacquot wrote:

> Hi Thomas,
> good to hear you again...
> Where were you hidden  ? ;- )
>
> I couldn't agree more.
> It's hard to realise what is a Fairlight till you don't use one. &
> have a look to  the voice cards ...
> Series II or Series III have incredible ressources & a strong sound
> signature...
> The dynamic & low end are astonishing !
> You couldn't believe that it's 8 bits tech ...
> No possible comparison to Mirage (maybe a bit), or Korg , or Akaï...
> Maybe with the EMUII somewhere...
> Even MFX3 are blowing away any Protools system...of course the edition
> is limited compared to today's technology , but the Sound oh God ...
> you have to hear it to believe it .
> After if you have time you put your attenton to the technology on
> board & suddenly you realise why it's all so powerful...
> But I guess it's not really the place to talk about them here. (I
> suppose Jesper won't be late to remind me that ;- )
>
> about the SDX , still big attention on the Soft catalog limits !!!
>   (no more than 50 instruments & 100 samples if I remember well...or
> each new sample will erase the previous recorded ones...)
> so I confirm : SAVE !!!
>
>
> bye,
> Patrice.
>
>
>
> Le 12 déc. 08 à 11:44, Thomas Heckmann a écrit :
>
>> The big difference comes in the Fairlights (I'm talking up until IIx)
>> sonic sound quality !
>> Yes it's 8bit, but the best you could ever get in this direction, the
>> dynamics and the uniqueness of it still blows me away !
>> I own both a Fairlight IIx and a Simmons SDX and they are really hard
>> to compare. And I own a tickle me Elmo also ;-)
>> One thing about the SDX - if it wasn't mentioned before - SAVE SAVE
>> SAVE ;-)
>> I had many hours of sampling with the machine just to realize it hang
>> up and all was gone...
>> Best
>> Thomas
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>> On Dec 12, 2008, at 11:33 AM, Patrice Jacquot wrote:
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>>> ???
>>> On the paper from far I see what you mean... (not better than an 8
>>> bits soundblaster I suppose ?)
>>> but in the mixer ?
>>>
>>> Have you ever used one ?
>>> opened one ?
>>>
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>>> Le 12 déc. 08 à 10:44, Gordon Pearce a écrit :
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>>>> Uhm, the Fairlight was a *terrible* sampler, long surpassed by the
>>>> sampling capabilities of musical greetings cards and Tickle Me
>> Elmo.
>>>
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Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDX Sampling

2008-12-12 by Berk Aarts

Go on!
gets me thru the working day (allday working at home, who gives a..)
Berk
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>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: Thomas Heckmann <troperecordings@...>
>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:50:31 +0100
>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDX Sampling
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
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>I was lost in modular madness ;-)
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>On Dec 12, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Patrice Jacquot wrote:
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>> Hi Thomas,
>> good to hear you again...
>> Where were you hidden  ? ;- )
>>
>> I couldn't agree more.
>> It's hard to realise what is a Fairlight till you don't use one. &
>> have a look to  the voice cards ...
>> Series II or Series III have incredible ressources & a strong sound
>> signature...
>> The dynamic & low end are astonishing !
>> You couldn't believe that it's 8 bits tech ...
>> No possible comparison to Mirage (maybe a bit), or Korg , or Akaï...
>> Maybe with the EMUII somewhere...
>> Even MFX3 are blowing away any Protools system...of course the edition
>> is limited compared to today's technology , but the Sound oh God ...
>> you have to hear it to believe it .
>> After if you have time you put your attenton to the technology on
>> board & suddenly you realise why it's all so powerful...
>> But I guess it's not really the place to talk about them here. (I
>> suppose Jesper won't be late to remind me that ;- )
>>
>> about the SDX , still big attention on the Soft catalog limits !!!
>>   (no more than 50 instruments & 100 samples if I remember well...or
>> each new sample will erase the previous recorded ones...)
>> so I confirm : SAVE !!!
>>
>>
>> bye,
>> Patrice.
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>> Le 12 déc. 08 à 11:44, Thomas Heckmann a écrit :
>>
>>> The big difference comes in the Fairlights (I'm talking up until IIx)
>>> sonic sound quality !
>>> Yes it's 8bit, but the best you could ever get in this direction, the
>>> dynamics and the uniqueness of it still blows me away !
>>> I own both a Fairlight IIx and a Simmons SDX and they are really hard
>>> to compare. And I own a tickle me Elmo also ;-)
>>> One thing about the SDX - if it wasn't mentioned before - SAVE SAVE
>>> SAVE ;-)
>>> I had many hours of sampling with the machine just to realize it hang
>>> up and all was gone...
>>> Best
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2008, at 11:33 AM, Patrice Jacquot wrote:
>>>
>>>> ???
>>>> On the paper from far I see what you mean... (not better than an 8
>>>> bits soundblaster I suppose ?)
>>>> but in the mixer ?
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever used one ?
>>>> opened one ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 12 déc. 08 à 10:44, Gordon Pearce a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> Uhm, the Fairlight was a *terrible* sampler, long surpassed by the
>>>>> sampling capabilities of musical greetings cards and Tickle Me
>>> Elmo.
>>>>
>>>>
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Betr: Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDX Sampling

2008-12-12 by Berk Aarts

I know that you know. It's that I sometimes answer on the handsonic forum,
and most off the guys out there don't have the slightest idea what they're
talking about (not that I do ,but hey...)

greets Berk

>>
>>I know, I know...
>> 
>>Got to break free of the tweaking and get back to actually playing !! Or
>>perhaps a healthier balance between the two.
>> 
>>Thanks Berk !
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>>- Roland
>>http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
>>http://home.rr.com/zengine
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>>My "trick"
>>get a few good basic samples. Save them, and then tweak the hell out off
>>it.
>>Fuun, allways original sounds, can be a bit frustrating too (who gives
a
>>F*&^*&). I had thousands off drumsamples, but I found out I was only tweaking
>>
>>
>>hope this helps
>>Have fun, and keep us informed
>>
>>greetings Berk
>>PS a great kinda analog feeling device is the Korg ER 1. Hope no-one gets
>>hurt
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Re: [Simmons Drums] SDX Sampling

2008-12-13 by Gordon Pearce

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Heckmann
<troperecordings@...> wrote:
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> The big difference comes in the Fairlights (I'm talking up until IIx)  
> sonic sound quality !

I had played with a Fairlight II a good few years ago now.  It had a
nice gritty character to it, something instantly recognisable.

> Yes it's 8bit, but the best you could ever get in this direction, the  
> dynamics and the uniqueness of it still blows me away !
> I own both a Fairlight IIx and a Simmons SDX and they are really hard  
> to compare. And I own a tickle me Elmo also ;-)
> One thing about the SDX - if it wasn't mentioned before - SAVE SAVE  
> SAVE ;-)
> I had many hours of sampling with the machine just to realize it hang  
> up and all was gone...

That's true of anything computer-based though ;-)

Gordon

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