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...no pads etc. You remember the SDS-3 on the bay?

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1038 GBP - damn!

But everytime I see one, live or in a picture I must say it's the most
stylish drum synth of all times I think.

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Is there any famous single which recently came out with the SDS3 in
it ???

Incredible price...so now the SDSIII would be more "badly wanted" than
the 909 ...






Le 15 juin 08 à 12:23, jesper a écrit :

Patrice Jacquot skrev:

> Is there any famous single which recently came out with the SDS3 in
> it ???

Not if you don't count the Fad Gadget CD/DVD-collection which includes
heavy use of the SDS-3 both in image and sound. Amazing collection and
artist!

Absolutely ! it helps ...
didn't know about them, interesting ..

Thanks, bye !
Pat.

Le 15 juin 08 à 16:09, jesper a écrit :

I once had Wolfgangs SDS3 here for repair and was very astonished of the sound. I compared it to SDSV, but they are two different machines with different targets: The 3 as a real synthesizer, the V as a (thought of...) replacement of acoustic drums. There is no better or worse.
As you know, the SDS3 is based on a 1:1 ripoff of the original moog- ladder filter. Only this is the reason, why the beast sounds so incredible (like the minimoog itself). There is no VCO and the click impact sound is simulated by a short rise in cutoff frequency. I never saw this on another device and it sounds like hell.
Because it is all analogue, every beat is sounding a little bit different being triggered. This means, the machine "lives", it "breathes". If you only sample the sound, you will lose this life. I watch this also on the TR 808 and the TR 909. In my opinion, they also cannot be replaced by software or hardware samplers. I play the originals and I promise you all: This difference is existing.
By the way: I agree with the look of the 909, it is definately not a beauty. But the sound is not boring at all: If connected to a good analogue mixing console with slightly overdriven input stages, you should hear it bark!! This sound is unbeatable, even after all these years.
I understand, why people pay a lot of money for all these machines mentioned above. May be the SDS3 was a long time standing in the shadow of SDSV, but without reason.
Michael

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Patrice Jacquot skrev:

>
>
> Absolutely ! it helps ...
> didn't know about them, interesting ..

You mean Fad Gadget? The tracks go way back to the early 80's and late
70's but I spotted the four pads at first watch and then it was just
spotting which model the drummer used...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hZ32QQCg4-Q

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Michael Buchner skrev:

> I once had Wolfgangs SDS3 here for repair and was very astonished of the
> sound. I compared it to SDSV, but they are two different machines with
> different targets: The 3 as a real synthesizer, the V as a (thought
> of...) replacement of acoustic drums. There is no better or worse.
> As you know, the SDS3 is based on a 1:1 ripoff of the original moog-
> ladder filter. Only this is the reason, why the beast sounds so
> incredible (like the minimoog itself). There is no VCO and the click
> impact sound is simulated by a short rise in cutoff frequency. I never
> saw this on another device and it sounds like hell.
> Because it is all analogue, every beat is sounding a little bit
> different being triggered. This means, the machine "lives", it
> "breathes". If you only sample the sound, you will lose this life. I
> watch this also on the TR 808 and the TR 909. In my opinion, they also
> cannot be replaced by software or hardware samplers. I play the
> originals and I promise you all: This difference is existing.
> By the way: I agree with the look of the 909, it is definately not a
> beauty. But the sound is not boring at all: If connected to a good
> analogue mixing console with slightly overdriven input stages, you
> should hear it bark!! This sound is unbeatable, even after all these years.

I prefer the drum synths, but yes, there is some good sounds there. I
was being unfair. But it sure is ugly! :D

I agree,
for me the SDSIII isn't "really" a Simmons ...
but it had been the base !
it's a pure analog synth more than a drum synth...
So yes it's difficult to compare SDSV & III as the use will be
necessary different !
But what devastating balls in it !!!

I compare often the SDSIII to an ARP synth, because of the look ,
the sound, & also because Dave was repairing ARPs when he made the
SDSIII ...
so I presume the inspiration & influence was strong...
I should check that !

I personnaly discovered the SDSIII & SDSIV very late... about 3 years
ago I guess, I didn't even suspected that it existed before ,
while in the same time I've been looking for Simmons for ten years
so I think that there was not many people who knew it existed.



& about the 808 or 909 (& we could had the Fairlight Page R, or even
the MPC AKAI)...
a friend of mine who had his glory hours using all this stuff,
did insist a lot about the sequencer being very important to the
global sound of these units .
it makes them sound in a way that you lose even if using the same unit
trigged by another sequencer...

Patrice.






Le 15 juin 08 à 18:32, Michael Buchner a écrit :

TR909 with fx outboard treatments could be as joyful as the SDS3 i guess.... now i have'nt heard any real serious sound edit demos so i can't really tell.... to me SDS3 right now might be simple squarewave piow piow but i'm prolly wrong ;=) jesper and other SDS3 owners, get us high quality mp3 demos NOOOOOW!

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Patrice Jacquot skrev:

> Is there any famous single which recently came out with the SDS3 in
> it ???

Not if you don't count the Fad Gadget CD/DVD-collection which includes
heavy use of the SDS-3 both in image and sound. Amazing collection and
artist!

> Incredible price...so now the SDSIII would be more "badly wanted" than
> the 909 ...

And that is sure understandable. The 909 looks like a Commodore C128 and
sounds SOOOO boring compared to the SDS-3.

But if you google you find a few SDS-3's and all owners seems to ADORE
them. This helps I guess...

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KW skrev:

>
>
> TR909 with fx outboard treatments could be as joyful as the SDS3 i
> guess.... now i have'nt heard any real serious sound edit demos so i
> can't really tell.... to me SDS3 right now might be simple
> squarewave piow piow but i'm prolly wrong ;=) jesper and other SDS3
> owners, get us high quality mp3 demos NOOOOOW!

But, but, but... mine is broken (except one channel) and today an evil
man from DHL delivered an MTM so now I feel the urge to change the plug
on that one and test it. All these Simmons things taking up my time and
crowding my place... ;)

BTW, does anybody know where to get replacement knobs for the MTM. It's
those black ones which hooks into the trimpot on the PCB below the
panel. This little sucker misses many...

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> No knobs for MTM I'm afraid ...I have a few from the SDC200 but
> they're longer...
>


> Functionnaly speaking it's not really a problem if you have a screw
> driver...I have also an MTM without knobs...nothing worrying
> really...& the fact is that you need to adjust sensitivity only if
> you 're using pads, not if you're using the synth inputs or Midi...
>





>
>




> BTW, does anybody know where to get replacement knobs for the MTM.
> It's
> those black ones which hooks into the trimpot on the PCB below the
> panel. This little sucker misses many...
>
> -

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Patrice Jacquot skrev:

>
>
> > No knobs for MTM I'm afraid ...I have a few from the SDC200 but
> > they're longer...
> >
>
> > Functionnaly speaking it's not really a problem if you have a screw
> > driver...I have also an MTM without knobs...nothing worrying
> > really...& the fact is that you need to adjust sensitivity only if
> > you 're using pads, not if you're using the synth inputs or Midi...

I see it mainly as an esthetic thing. :D
...and yes, my plan is to go via midi.

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