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Hi,

I have a Simmons SDS V with three toms, hi hat, snare and bass modules
on-board and an SDS 2000 with rack and pads.

I'm thinking of selling them as they're just sitting there doing
nothing - does anyone know what kind of price I ould get for them?

thanks,

Darren

Hi Brian,

The rack and pads are the ones that came with the SDS 2000 - there
prety good quality - I need to take a wire brush to the rack though.

I'd rather not split up the SDS V - as I'd probably be left with the
unwanted ones.

Idealy I'd like to raise enough cash to pay for a new electric kit
(one thats got cybals - Yamaha or Roland) - one that would be a bit
more suited to recording midi.

cheers,

Darren


Hi Darren

A hard question as the prices on eBay are falling and
it depends exactly what it is that you have got

What mark and how many pads (later pads are worth
more)

Is it an original Simmons Rack? Which one?

I am after a SDS 2000 Brain if you are in the UK

What were you wanting for it own its own

The rest apart fron the Hi-Hat module are currently
not selling very well

The Hi-Hat module is a much sought after item and
would fetch a high price if sold on its own but note
that you would not get a good price for the V if sold
with only 5 cards in it

Brian

01 202 775 188


--- dazdrums <dazdrums@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a Simmons SDS V with three toms, hi hat,
> snare and bass modules
> on-board and an SDS 2000 with rack and pads.
>
> I'm thinking of selling them as they're just sitting
> there doing
> nothing - does anyone know what kind of price I ould
> get for them?
>
> thanks,
>
> Darren
>
>

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Hi There Darren



Brian is correct, the SDS V Hi Hat modules are very sought after.



From memory on e-bay recently, an SDSV brain with Hi Hat module went for
approx $1200 USD, and 5 x individual SDSV modules, toms, bass and snare
went for approx $100 USD each. Just before Christmas, 5 more SDSV
modules went for approx $125 USD each. And in the UK, an SDSV kit with
Hi Hat module, 6 pads and stands went for around 720 UK pounds.



Also, the SDSV modules that sold last week on e-bay all went within a
few days.



Hope that helps!!



Regards

--

Darren





________________________________

From: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dazdrums
Sent: Tuesday, 22 January 2008 9:15 PM
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Thinking of Selling..........



Hi Brian,

The rack and pads are the ones that came with the SDS 2000 - there
prety good quality - I need to take a wire brush to the rack though.

I'd rather not split up the SDS V - as I'd probably be left with the
unwanted ones.

Idealy I'd like to raise enough cash to pay for a new electric kit
(one thats got cybals - Yamaha or Roland) - one that would be a bit
more suited to recording midi.

cheers,

Darren

Hi Darren

A hard question as the prices on eBay are falling and
it depends exactly what it is that you have got

What mark and how many pads (later pads are worth
more)

Is it an original Simmons Rack? Which one?

I am after a SDS 2000 Brain if you are in the UK

What were you wanting for it own its own

The rest apart fron the Hi-Hat module are currently
not selling very well

The Hi-Hat module is a much sought after item and
would fetch a high price if sold on its own but note
that you would not get a good price for the V if sold
with only 5 cards in it

Brian

01 202 775 188

--- dazdrums <dazdrums@... <mailto:dazdrums%40yahoo.co.uk> >
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a Simmons SDS V with three toms, hi hat,
> snare and bass modules
> on-board and an SDS 2000 with rack and pads.
>
> I'm thinking of selling them as they're just sitting
> there doing
> nothing - does anyone know what kind of price I ould
> get for them?
>
> thanks,
>
> Darren
>
>

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Hi guys ,

sorry for my approximated english but,
please... stop talking only about prohibitives pricy examples ...
EBAY is a very very bad example, people used it to increase price &
create a new desire.
EBAY is far from offering bargains...
therefore, last year, a 4 modules (Genesis Customed) SDSV brain went
for about £150...
a fully loaded 7 modules one about £200 ...
Personnaly I wouldn't pay $120 for a channel module...& not even more
720$ for a complete one ...
& I'm taking the smaller prices as reference... not the highest
ones...
Of course there are also some wealthy collectors that can afford over
estimated units...

But Please don't encourage these "brokers" (?) breaking a complete
full brain in pieces to make more profit.
Don't help them to justify themself.
It's all stupid really.
all in all,
to pay our lovely units very expensive doesn't give them more value
or more sound in the end...

Anyway ...
Good luck,
Patrice.



Le 22 janv. 08 à 11:48, Darren Craven a écrit :

Hey Guys



I guess they are worth what the market is prepared to pay for them. If there's another avenue for me to buy my Simmons stuff other than e-bay I'd love to know. Here in Australia the stuff very rarely comes up locally, so e-bay .com and .co.uk seems to be the easiest way to find it. Then I need to decide if I'll pay the prices the stuff is going for, or wait for the next one to come up.



Regards

--

Darren





________________________________

From: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrice Jacquot
Sent: Tuesday, 22 January 2008 10:38 PM
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Thinking of Selling..........



Hi guys ,

sorry for my approximated english but,
please... stop talking only about prohibitives pricy examples ...
EBAY is a very very bad example, people used it to increase price &
create a new desire.
EBAY is far from offering bargains...
therefore, last year, a 4 modules (Genesis Customed) SDSV brain went
for about £150...
a fully loaded 7 modules one about £200 ...
Personnaly I wouldn't pay $120 for a channel module...& not even more
720$ for a complete one ...
& I'm taking the smaller prices as reference... not the highest
ones...
Of course there are also some wealthy collectors that can afford over
estimated units...

But Please don't encourage these "brokers" (?) breaking a complete
full brain in pieces to make more profit.
Don't help them to justify themself.
It's all stupid really.
all in all,
to pay our lovely units very expensive doesn't give them more value
or more sound in the end...

Anyway ...
Good luck,
Patrice.

Le 22 janv. 08 à 11:48, Darren Craven a écrit :

> Hi There Darren
>
> Brian is correct, the SDS V Hi Hat modules are very sought after.
>
> From memory on e-bay recently, an SDSV brain with Hi Hat module
> went for
> approx $1200 USD, and 5 x individual SDSV modules, toms, bass and
> snare
> went for approx $100 USD each. Just before Christmas, 5 more SDSV
> modules went for approx $125 USD each. And in the UK, an SDSV kit with
> Hi Hat module, 6 pads and stands went for around 720 UK pounds.
>
> Also, the SDSV modules that sold last week on e-bay all went within a
> few days.
>
> Hope that helps!!
>
> Regards
>
> --
>
> Darren
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of dazdrums
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 January 2008 9:15 PM
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: Thinking of Selling..........
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> The rack and pads are the ones that came with the SDS 2000 - there
> prety good quality - I need to take a wire brush to the rack though.
>
> I'd rather not split up the SDS V - as I'd probably be left with the
> unwanted ones.
>
> Idealy I'd like to raise enough cash to pay for a new electric kit
> (one thats got cybals - Yamaha or Roland) - one that would be a bit
> more suited to recording midi.
>
> cheers,
>
> Darren
>
> Hi Darren
>
> A hard question as the prices on eBay are falling and
> it depends exactly what it is that you have got
>
> What mark and how many pads (later pads are worth
> more)
>
> Is it an original Simmons Rack? Which one?
>
> I am after a SDS 2000 Brain if you are in the UK
>
> What were you wanting for it own its own
>
> The rest apart fron the Hi-Hat module are currently
> not selling very well
>
> The Hi-Hat module is a much sought after item and
> would fetch a high price if sold on its own but note
> that you would not get a good price for the V if sold
> with only 5 cards in it
>
> Brian
>
> 01 202 775 188
>
> --- dazdrums <dazdrums@... <mailto:dazdrums%40yahoo.co.uk> <mailto:dazdrums%40yahoo.co.uk> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a Simmons SDS V with three toms, hi hat,
> > snare and bass modules
> > on-board and an SDS 2000 with rack and pads.
> >
> > I'm thinking of selling them as they're just sitting
> > there doing
> > nothing - does anyone know what kind of price I ould
> > get for them?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Darren
> >
> >
>
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dazdrums skrev:

>
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> The rack and pads are the ones that came with the SDS 2000 - there
> prety good quality - I need to take a wire brush to the rack though.
>
> I'd rather not split up the SDS V - as I'd probably be left with the
> unwanted ones.
>
> Idealy I'd like to raise enough cash to pay for a new electric kit
> (one thats got cybals - Yamaha or Roland) - one that would be a bit
> more suited to recording midi.

IMHO and according to weekly Ebay excurses I'd say;

SDS-2000 is bought by people with little money and the lust to get a
Simmons.
SDS-V are sought by vintage enthusiasts and analogue synth geeks along
with all those that want the "classic" Simmons sound.

The SDS-V brains still fetch high prices on Ebay. Just describe it well
and take good pictures which is sure to include the hihatcard.

Or simply buy a cheap TMI or similar and keep using the Simmons gear for
midi recording! That'd be my own decision...

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Patrice Jacquot skrev:

>
>
> Hi guys ,
>
> sorry for my approximated english but,
> please... stop talking only about prohibitives pricy examples ...
> EBAY is a very very bad example, people used it to increase price &
> create a new desire.
> EBAY is far from offering bargains...
> therefore, last year, a 4 modules (Genesis Customed) SDSV brain went
> for about £150...
> a fully loaded 7 modules one about £200 ...
> Personnaly I wouldn't pay $120 for a channel module...& not even more
> 720$ for a complete one ...
> & I'm taking the smaller prices as reference... not the highest
> ones...
> Of course there are also some wealthy collectors that can afford over
> estimated units...
>
> But Please don't encourage these "brokers" (?) breaking a complete
> full brain in pieces to make more profit.
> Don't help them to justify themself.
> It's all stupid really.
> all in all,
> to pay our lovely units very expensive doesn't give them more value
> or more sound in the end...

Certainly, but as a seller wanting to get a new set and therfor good
money, Ebay is the best place to get it normally.

I don't like mailinglists that tend to take advantage of new subscribers
that's there to aska about reasonable prices. Good bargains but bad
manners...

--
electronically yours, jesper
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se
www.myspace.com/machinepop
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -

Darren Craven skrev:

>
>
> Hey Guys
>
> I guess they are worth what the market is prepared to pay for them. If
> there's another avenue for me to buy my Simmons stuff other than e-bay
> I'd love to know. Here in Australia the stuff very rarely comes up
> locally, so e-bay .com and .co.uk seems to be the easiest way to find
> it. Then I need to decide if I'll pay the prices the stuff is going for,
> or wait for the next one to come up.

With the risk of wrecking my own bargains finding; VEMIA is often a good
place which ship internationally etc. Only auctions twice a year though...

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VEMIA, thanks for the tip jesper. :-)



Regards

--

Darren





________________________________

From: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jesper
Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2008 6:36 PM
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Thinking of Selling..........



Darren Craven skrev:

>
>
> Hey Guys
>
> I guess they are worth what the market is prepared to pay for them. If

> there's another avenue for me to buy my Simmons stuff other than e-bay

> I'd love to know. Here in Australia the stuff very rarely comes up
> locally, so e-bay .com and .co.uk seems to be the easiest way to find
> it. Then I need to decide if I'll pay the prices the stuff is going

for,

> or wait for the next one to come up.

With the risk of wrecking my own bargains finding; VEMIA is often a good

place which ship internationally etc. Only auctions twice a year
though...

--
electronically yours, jesper
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se
www.myspace.com/machinepop
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -





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HI

I started so I will finish

How much is it worth

The only global sales indicator is eBay

For checking the current value of anything the best
way is to see what people are currently willing to
pay.

I am not marketing or paid by anyone but was asked for
an opinion and gave it

I think my answer was and is valid

Other indicators in the UK would be

Sound on Sound

Other music publications

Other auction houses

This site

Yes just think up a price and advertise it here and
stand by for the flack if you are asking toooooo
muuuuch

Brian




--- jesper <jesper@...> wrote:

> Patrice Jacquot skrev:
> >
> >
> > Hi guys ,
> >
> > sorry for my approximated english but,
> > please... stop talking only about prohibitives
> pricy examples ...
> > EBAY is a very very bad example, people used it to
> increase price &
> > create a new desire.
> > EBAY is far from offering bargains...
> > therefore, last year, a 4 modules (Genesis
> Customed) SDSV brain went
> > for about £150...
> > a fully loaded 7 modules one about £200 ...
> > Personnaly I wouldn't pay $120 for a channel
> module...& not even more
> > 720$ for a complete one ...
> > & I'm taking the smaller prices as reference...
> not the highest
> > ones...
> > Of course there are also some wealthy collectors
> that can afford over
> > estimated units...
> >
> > But Please don't encourage these "brokers" (?)
> breaking a complete
> > full brain in pieces to make more profit.
> > Don't help them to justify themself.
> > It's all stupid really.
> > all in all,
> > to pay our lovely units very expensive doesn't
> give them more value
> > or more sound in the end...
>
> Certainly, but as a seller wanting to get a new set
> and therfor good
> money, Ebay is the best place to get it normally.
>
> I don't like mailinglists that tend to take
> advantage of new subscribers
> that's there to aska about reasonable prices. Good
> bargains but bad
> manners...
>
> --
> electronically yours, jesper
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
> www.myspace.com/machinepop
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>

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Darren Craven skrev:

>
>
> VEMIA, thanks for the tip jesper. :-)

SO you found the site? Peter's a good guy and the auction works well.
I've both sold and bought stuff there.

For those interested; www.spheremusic.com


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>
>
> Certainly, but as a seller wanting to get a new set and therfor good
> money, Ebay is the best place to get it normally.
>


> >>>From that point of view, yes ...Therefore it depends if he's
> looking for a small kit (Roland TD5 )to play in the bedroom, or the
> last Vdrum to play in clubs etc ...it does change a lot of things...
>

>
>
> I don't like mailinglists that tend to take advantage of new
> subscribers
> that's there to aska about reasonable prices. Good bargains but bad
> manners...
>





>










>>>Hey Jesper please, you're moderator OK, but you're going a bit

fast then, don't you think ?
Mailing list ? taking advantage ? If you mean "Me" you can write to
me directly.
I exposed my advice & the (at least "a" ) reality of the situation...
No more I think ...
New suscribers are not necessary naive... & have also to be
informed...not only in a single aspect...
After, they're big enough to choose where they want to be in function
of what they want or need ...


I don't think I influenced (or even insulted) anybody by saying that
our today's behaviour is creating the tommorow's market.
We could (& probably should) rather speak of people taking advantage
of supposed rare machines when they have "a few" in stock that they
probably payed not much for...
& making a big profit on each ...

anyway it's all about our own choice in the end. don't you think ?
So please Jesper, take it easy, there was nothing else than that in
my words...

Have a Nice Day ;- )
PAtrice.

Hi Brian,
you're right !!! ;- )

there is Sound on Sound & also ...LOOT ...

It's exactly what I meant , it's often not the same prices at all
than Ebay even if there are also the same prices ...

So the right price is somewhere in the middle of Ebay extremes (I
mean often ) & these sources...
We could determine a sort of quote around that prices...
Let's not talk about bargains or theives prices but JUST ABOUT A FAIR
ONE ...

thanks for this add...
Patrice.




Le 23 janv. 08 à 10:40, brian walker a écrit :

Patrice Jacquot skrev:

> >>>Hey Jesper please, you're moderator OK, but you're going a bit
> fast then, don't you think ?

I'm sorry if you took it like that. I wanted to stop flaming before we
get there, not adding fuel to the fire.

> Mailing list ? taking advantage ? If you mean "Me" you can write to
> me directly.

It was more of an "us" I meant. I think I've seen these tendencies
before and it's natural since many are collectors and enthusiasts. Every
time something rare is mentioned the list reacts and wants to buy etc.
I feel I'm also a part of this...

> I exposed my advice & the (at least "a" ) reality of the situation...
> No more I think ...
> New suscribers are not necessary naive... & have also to be
> informed...not only in a single aspect...
> After, they're big enough to choose where they want to be in function
> of what they want or need ...

Sure... But regarding Ebay I surf both .de and co.uk once every week and
I tend to add stuff I own to my watch list to keep up to date with
current "value" (knowing this is a debatable word). I seldom see SDS-V's
at the prices you mentioned, therefor I reacted to that. I still
consider the SDS-2000 cheap and unwanted so we probably can agree on the
entire batch's value. ;)

> I don't think I influenced (or even insulted) anybody by saying that
> our today's behaviour is creating the tommorow's market.
> We could (& probably should) rather speak of people taking advantage
> of supposed rare machines when they have "a few" in stock that they
> probably payed not much for...
> & making a big profit on each ...

True. I also don't like people who just buys to resell. Most of us don't
though we still like to get the money back and maybe with a little
profit if we do sell...

OK,
I agree with everything you say here ; - )
no problem Jesper !


It's a good idea to debate how much we would quote what model ...
Let's become more responsive instead of subiting ... Personnally I
prefer that idea anyway ...

I understand well that when you're addicted (as I have been,) & have
no machines yet ,
you don't have much choice than to spend a lot of money to reach
your dream ... (or your fantasy .)...

I think your right on that point too, I think we're mainly enthusiast
collectors on the list ...
People who I know trying to get large profit don't seem very
intersted in our group.
I think you know them too ...
I'll tell you in private who I think they are if you ask for ...; - )

there must have a difference as well between people billing high with
no reason &
the ones who are having a complete maintenance on the unit before
selling it .
But they're all claiming it...aren't they ?

I think I really started to be pissed off when I saw a guy selling in
pieces the Phil Collins' SDSV...
Or selling some SDX the same Price I paid for a full new one at
Simmons' ...

Anyway we won't change the world, but we can probably stay aware of
not giving power to that sort of guys...

About the current value ;

you know how is Ebay ; the luck is making high & down prices...& also
the honnesty (or current money needs) of the sellers...
even if you need to buy a Mercedes you won't be able to sell your SDX
10500�, unless you find one crazy guy that will buy it...
(it must be possible ; some guys have a better idea of their own
value if they pay a high price for their machine... ? ) of course
all that exists...

BUt yeah I think crossing informations from Ebay , SOS, mag adverts,
private adverts is more telling us what's the current value.
But remember that some many SDS7 owners sent their machine right to
the bin... I know about 3 people having done that ...
I sadly arrived too late ...

in conclusion , for some people Simmons is an insult or a laughing
subject, for some others (Us) nearly a religion, the value is
probably somewhere in the middle.
That reminds me a discussion with Dave about the TR909...HE found
really stupid to pay nearly �1000 when it used to cost �50 a year
before...
But here again, the human spirit is great to invent Myths...

So many debates don't you think ?

Anyway,
all the Best & Speak soon ,
Patrice.




Le 23 janv. 08 � 21:31, jesper a �crit :