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From: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] Dave Simmons' message about the SDk5 !!!


> Hi there ,
> we often wondered about copyrights & that sort of things ..
> here is the message from Dave , that makes it clear on that Guitar
> centre trouble ;
>
> Hi Patrice.
>
> You have probably seen the SD5K kit from Guitar Centre in the USA?
> Here's the link: http://www.simmonsdrums.net/sd5k/
> Well, this was as much a shock to me as it is for everyone else
> interested in electronic drums. I have not sold or authorised the
> use of the Simmons name or logo on anything, let alone that cheap
> Medeli kit from China. Guitar centre have stolen the name to give
> the kit an instant visibility in the market place.
>
> This has really upset me, and I have instructed lawyers to take
> legal action against Guitar Centre. Please can you pass it around
> the Simmons forums and various websites that this kit is nothing to
> do with me. I would hate to think of Simmons fans looking at the
> kit, or even buying it on the basis that it might be something
> different or special. It is a bog standard Chinese kit that is being
> manufactured and badged under all sorts of names.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dave
>
>         We all know the truth now !?
>              thanks for passing the News !
>                        Patrice.
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

> all of us who surely will pass the word around! ;)
> 
> electronically yours, jesper
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
> 
> Order your own copy of the Machinepop/Imiafan
> split-EP at www.electronic-obsession.se/label.asp
> 
> "Folk med riktiga skivsamlingar har riktiga spelare" (Daniel Araya)
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
> To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:51 PM
> Subject: [Simmons Drums] Dave Simmons' message about the SDk5 !!!
> 
> 
> > Hi there ,
> > we often wondered about copyrights & that sort of things ..
> > here is the message from Dave , that makes it clear on that Guitar
> > centre trouble ;
> >
> > Hi Patrice.
> >
> > You have probably seen the SD5K kit from Guitar Centre in the USA?
> > Here's the link: http://www.simmonsdrums.net/sd5k/
> > Well, this was as much a shock to me as it is for everyone else
> > interested in electronic drums. I have not sold or authorised the
> > use of the Simmons name or logo on anything, let alone that cheap
> > Medeli kit from China. Guitar centre have stolen the name to give
> > the kit an instant visibility in the market place.
> >
> > This has really upset me, and I have instructed lawyers to take
> > legal action against Guitar Centre. Please can you pass it around
> > the Simmons forums and various websites that this kit is nothing to
> > do with me. I would hate to think of Simmons fans looking at the
> > kit, or even buying it on the basis that it might be something
> > different or special. It is a bog standard Chinese kit that is being
> > manufactured and badged under all sorts of names.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >         We all know the truth now !?
> >              thanks for passing the News !
> >                        Patrice.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lars Johansson 
  To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Dave Simmons' message about the SDk5 !!!


  I don´t know US laws regarding Brand names but could it be that enough time has passed for the name to be considered up for grabs ?

  LJ

  http://medlem.spray.se/waveterm/LJLab2006/

  ----- Ursprungligt meddelande ----- 
  Från: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
  Till: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
  Skickat: den 6 december 2006 14:51
  Ämne: [Simmons Drums] Dave Simmons' message about the SDk5 !!!

  Hi there , 
  we often wondered about copyrights & that sort of things ..
  here is the message from Dave , that makes it clear on that Guitar 
  centre trouble ;

  Hi Patrice.

  You have probably seen the SD5K kit from Guitar Centre in the USA?
  Here's the link: http://www.simmonsdrums.net/sd5k/ 
  Well, this was as much a shock to me as it is for everyone else 
  interested in electronic drums. I have not sold or authorised the 
  use of the Simmons name or logo on anything, let alone that cheap 
  Medeli kit from China. Guitar centre have stolen the name to give 
  the kit an instant visibility in the market place. 

  This has really upset me, and I have instructed lawyers to take 
  legal action against Guitar Centre. Please can you pass it around 
  the Simmons forums and various websites that this kit is nothing to 
  do with me. I would hate to think of Simmons fans looking at the 
  kit, or even buying it on the basis that it might be something 
  different or special. It is a bog standard Chinese kit that is being 
  manufactured and badged under all sorts of names.

  Best regards,

  Dave

  We all know the truth now !?
  thanks for passing the News !
  Patrice.



   

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 6:15 PM
Subject: Betr: [Simmons Drums] Dave Simmons' message about the SDk5 !!!


> Whoohee
> Get those monkey's in to court and sue there dumm asses off
>
> But hey one point here:
> It would be nice if Mr Simmons could do some after sales to his former 
> customers
> I mean: we all are begging for schematics here ( at least I am, the 
> Sillicon
> Mallet sound module/converter, or does anyone have it, I mean I have only
> the controller/keyboard)  and hey where are they???? I guess he has them
> I understand that he is now trying to make a point, but I never saw a 
> message
> from him on a topic that I guess he could easily solve
>
> If he's not, still good luck
>
> BERK!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>>From: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
>>Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:51:02 -0000
>>Subject: [Simmons Drums] Dave Simmons' message about the SDk5  !!!
>>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>>Hi there ,
>>we often wondered about copyrights & that sort of things ..
>> here is the message from Dave , that makes it clear on that Guitar
>>centre trouble ;
>>
>>Hi Patrice.
>>
>>You have probably seen the SD5K kit from Guitar Centre in the USA?
>>Here's the link: http://www.simmonsdrums.net/sd5k/
>>Well, this was as much a shock to me as it is for everyone else
>>interested in electronic drums. I have not sold or authorised the
>>use of the Simmons name or logo on anything, let alone that cheap
>>Medeli kit from China. Guitar centre have stolen the name to give
>>the kit an instant visibility in the market place.
>>
>>This has really upset me, and I have instructed lawyers to take
>>legal action against Guitar Centre. Please can you pass it around
>>the Simmons forums and various websites that this kit is nothing to
>>do with me. I would hate to think of Simmons fans looking at the
>>kit, or even buying it on the basis that it might be something
>>different or special. It is a bog standard Chinese kit that is being
>>manufactured and badged under all sorts of names.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>         We all know the truth now !?
>>              thanks for passing the News !
>>                        Patrice.
>>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________________________
> Wil je met mij knikkeren? Doe mee aan 12move "potje knikkeren" en win 
> geweldige
> prijzen.
> Speel het spel en bekijk de voorwaarden op http://potjeknikkeren.12move.nl
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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From: "superwolle70" <superwolle70@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Dave Simmons' message about the SDk5 !!!


> Yeah! For this purpose it might be cool to establish a company called
> e.g. "Zimmonz" or "5immon5" to distribute the schematics for free,
> maybe via http://www.zimmonzdrumz.net ... ?
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, <jesper@...> wrote:
>>
>> Good point, especially if someone else legally owns the name, why
> not flood
>> the market with schematics so all old stuff cab be repaired and
> business
>> worsen?! >:)
>>
>> electronically yours, jesper
>> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>> www.electronic-obsession.se
>>
>> Order your own copy of the Machinepop/Imiafan
>> split-EP at www.electronic-obsession.se/label.asp
>>
>> "Folk med riktiga skivsamlingar har riktiga spelare" (Daniel Araya)
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...>
>> To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 6:15 PM
>> Subject: Betr: [Simmons Drums] Dave Simmons' message about the SDk5 !!!
>>
>>
>> > Whoohee
>> > Get those monkey's in to court and sue there dumm asses off
>> >
>> > But hey one point here:
>> > It would be nice if Mr Simmons could do some after sales to his
> former
>> > customers
>> > I mean: we all are begging for schematics here ( at least I am, the
>> > Sillicon
>> > Mallet sound module/converter, or does anyone have it, I mean I
> have only
>> > the controller/keyboard)  and hey where are they???? I guess he
> has them
>> > I understand that he is now trying to make a point, but I never saw a
>> > message
>> > from him on a topic that I guess he could easily solve
>> >
>> > If he's not, still good luck
>> >
>> > BERK!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>> >>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> >>From: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
>> >>Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:51:02 -0000
>> >>Subject: [Simmons Drums] Dave Simmons' message about the SDk5  !!!
>> >>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Hi there ,
>> >>we often wondered about copyrights & that sort of things ..
>> >> here is the message from Dave , that makes it clear on that Guitar
>> >>centre trouble ;
>> >>
>> >>Hi Patrice.
>> >>
>> >>You have probably seen the SD5K kit from Guitar Centre in the USA?
>> >>Here's the link: http://www.simmonsdrums.net/sd5k/
>> >>Well, this was as much a shock to me as it is for everyone else
>> >>interested in electronic drums. I have not sold or authorised the
>> >>use of the Simmons name or logo on anything, let alone that cheap
>> >>Medeli kit from China. Guitar centre have stolen the name to give
>> >>the kit an instant visibility in the market place.
>> >>
>> >>This has really upset me, and I have instructed lawyers to take
>> >>legal action against Guitar Centre. Please can you pass it around
>> >>the Simmons forums and various websites that this kit is nothing to
>> >>do with me. I would hate to think of Simmons fans looking at the
>> >>kit, or even buying it on the basis that it might be something
>> >>different or special. It is a bog standard Chinese kit that is being
>> >>manufactured and badged under all sorts of names.
>> >>
>> >>Best regards,
>> >>
>> >>Dave
>> >>
>> >>         We all know the truth now !?
>> >>              thanks for passing the News !
>> >>                        Patrice.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
> ________________________________________________________________________________________
>> > Wil je met mij knikkeren? Doe mee aan 12move "potje knikkeren" en win
>> > geweldige
>> > prijzen.
>> > Speel het spel en bekijk de voorwaarden op
> http://potjeknikkeren.12move.nl
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

> >> > geweldige
> >> > prijzen.
> >> > Speel het spel en bekijk de voorwaarden op
> > http://potjeknikkeren.12move.nl
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >
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> >> >
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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>

> en win
> > >> > geweldige
> > >> > prijzen.
> > >> > Speel het spel en bekijk de voorwaarden op
> > > http://potjeknikkeren.12move.nl
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>

>
> in response to 25% of you that wasn't joking,
> 
> I think now is the time bring back Simmons drums!!
> 
> Assuming Dave is OK with this and also assuming that Dave would play 
> a part in it - why not set up a company to carry the legacy forward.
> 
> I say the name has to be 'Simmons' if only because demand would 
> dictate that we would win in a battle of names (also, is the US Trade 
> Mark worldwide? - or just US, if US we could patent the 
> designs/logo's etc in Europe and build up such a demand for new 
> products that we'd blow away the competition anyway)
> 
> I think that, between us (those that are interested and have the 
> necessary knowledge/ability) we can develop a 'new' version of the 
> SDSV (perhaps SDS5000), with the old style pads, in digital, with 
> midi and with a software element (that could sell separately) with an 
> emphasis on synthesis as oposed to sample playback (much in the same 
> way that keyboards have developed)and with an element of inovation 
> and steeped in heritage. Im sure that it would give Roland and Yamaha 
> a run for their money.
> 
> I am a qualified Accountant (and ex-pro drummer), I can develop 
> business plans, budgets and forecast, establish costs and pricing - I 
> also have the use of cutting edge marketing, warehousing and a supply 
> chain into Europe off the back of the company that i am the 
> accountant for (which is 3 miles from where Simmons were based - and 
> I was a regular visitor).
> 
> is there anybody else that would like to carry the legacy forward for 
> the sake of electronic drummers that haven't even been born yet?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Darren
>         
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "superwolle70" 
> <superwolle70@> wrote:
> >
> > Probably the forms to press the SDSV pad shells probably still exist
> > somewhere? Together with the knowledge of some techies in this 
> group a
> > remake of a 5immons 5D5V in limited edition might be possible? (-3/4
> > joking- at least some of us would be glad to replace some shells 
> one day)
> > 
> > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, <jesper@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Then I like 5immons.com even better! >;)
> > > 
> > > electronically yours, jesper
> > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> > > www.electronic-obsession.se
> > > 
> > > Order your own copy of the Machinepop/Imiafan
> > > split-EP at www.electronic-obsession.se/label.asp
> > > 
> > > "Folk med riktiga skivsamlingar har riktiga spelare" (Daniel 
> Araya)
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "superwolle70" <superwolle70@>
> > > To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 11:06 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Dave Simmons' message about the 
> SDk5 !!!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Yeah! For this purpose it might be cool to establish a company 
> called
> > > > e.g. "Zimmonz" or "5immon5" to distribute the schematics for 
> free,
> > > > maybe via http://www.zimmonzdrumz.net ... ?
> > > >
> > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, <jesper@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Good point, especially if someone else legally owns the name, 
> why
> > > > not flood
> > > >> the market with schematics so all old stuff cab be repaired and
> > > > business
> > > >> worsen?! >:)
> > > >>
> > > >> electronically yours, jesper
> > > >> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> > > >> www.electronic-obsession.se
> > > >>
> > > >> Order your own copy of the Machinepop/Imiafan
> > > >> split-EP at www.electronic-obsession.se/label.asp
> > > >>
> > > >> "Folk med riktiga skivsamlingar har riktiga spelare" (Daniel 
> Araya)
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > >> From: "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@>
> > > >> To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 6:15 PM
> > > >> Subject: Betr: [Simmons Drums] Dave Simmons' message about the
> > SDk5 !!!
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > Whoohee
> > > >> > Get those monkey's in to court and sue there dumm asses off
> > > >> >
> > > >> > But hey one point here:
> > > >> > It would be nice if Mr Simmons could do some after sales to 
> his
> > > > former
> > > >> > customers
> > > >> > I mean: we all are begging for schematics here ( at least I 
> am, the
> > > >> > Sillicon
> > > >> > Mallet sound module/converter, or does anyone have it, I 
> mean I
> > > > have only
> > > >> > the controller/keyboard)  and hey where are they???? I guess 
> he
> > > > has them
> > > >> > I understand that he is now trying to make a point, but I 
> never
> > saw a
> > > >> > message
> > > >> > from him on a topic that I guess he could easily solve
> > > >> >
> > > >> > If he's not, still good luck
> > > >> >
> > > >> > BERK!
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
> > > >> >>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> >>From: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@>
> > > >> >>Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:51:02 -0000
> > > >> >>Subject: [Simmons Drums] Dave Simmons' message about the 
> SDk5  !!!
> > > >> >>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>Hi there ,
> > > >> >>we often wondered about copyrights & that sort of things ..
> > > >> >> here is the message from Dave , that makes it clear on that 
> Guitar
> > > >> >>centre trouble ;
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>Hi Patrice.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>You have probably seen the SD5K kit from Guitar Centre in 
> the USA?
> > > >> >>Here's the link: http://www.simmonsdrums.net/sd5k/
> > > >> >>Well, this was as much a shock to me as it is for everyone 
> else
> > > >> >>interested in electronic drums. I have not sold or 
> authorised the
> > > >> >>use of the Simmons name or logo on anything, let alone that 
> cheap
> > > >> >>Medeli kit from China. Guitar centre have stolen the name to 
> give
> > > >> >>the kit an instant visibility in the market place.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>This has really upset me, and I have instructed lawyers to 
> take
> > > >> >>legal action against Guitar Centre. Please can you pass it 
> around
> > > >> >>the Simmons forums and various websites that this kit is 
> nothing to
> > > >> >>do with me. I would hate to think of Simmons fans looking at 
> the
> > > >> >>kit, or even buying it on the basis that it might be 
> something
> > > >> >>different or special. It is a bog standard Chinese kit that 
> is
> > being
> > > >> >>manufactured and badged under all sorts of names.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>Best regards,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>Dave
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>         We all know the truth now !?
> > > >> >>              thanks for passing the News !
> > > >> >>                        Patrice.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >
> > 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> __________________
> > > >> > Wil je met mij knikkeren? Doe mee aan 12move "potje 
> knikkeren"
> > en win
> > > >> > geweldige
> > > >> > prijzen.
> > > >> > Speel het spel en bekijk de voorwaarden op
> > > > http://potjeknikkeren.12move.nl
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> in response to 25% of you that wasn't joking,
> 
> I think now is the time bring back Simmons drums!!
> 
> Assuming Dave is OK with this and also assuming that Dave would play 
> a part in it - why not set up a company to carry the legacy forward.
> 
> I say the name has to be 'Simmons' if only because demand would 
> dictate that we would win in a battle of names (also, is the US Trade 
> Mark worldwide? - or just US, if US we could patent the 
> designs/logo's etc in Europe and build up such a demand for new 
> products that we'd blow away the competition anyway)
> 
> I think that, between us (those that are interested and have the 
> necessary knowledge/ability) we can develop a 'new' version of the 
> SDSV (perhaps SDS5000), with the old style pads, in digital, with 
> midi and with a software element (that could sell separately) with an 
> emphasis on synthesis as oposed to sample playback (much in the same 
> way that keyboards have developed)and with an element of inovation 
> and steeped in heritage. Im sure that it would give Roland and Yamaha 
> a run for their money.
> 
> I am a qualified Accountant (and ex-pro drummer), I can develop 
> business plans, budgets and forecast, establish costs and pricing - I 
> also have the use of cutting edge marketing, warehousing and a supply 
> chain into Europe off the back of the company that i am the 
> accountant for (which is 3 miles from where Simmons were based - and 
> I was a regular visitor).
> 
> is there anybody else that would like to carry the legacy forward for 
> the sake of electronic drummers that haven't even been born yet?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Darren
>         
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "superwolle70" 
> <superwolle70@> wrote:
> >
> > Probably the forms to press the SDSV pad shells probably still exist
> > somewhere? Together with the knowledge of some techies in this 
> group a
> > remake of a 5immons 5D5V in limited edition might be possible? (-3/4
> > joking- at least some of us would be glad to replace some shells 
> one day)
> > 
> > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, <jesper@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Then I like 5immons.com even better! >;)
> > > 
> > > electronically yours, jesper
> > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> > > www.electronic-obsession.se
> > > 
> > > Order your own copy of the Machinepop/Imiafan
> > > split-EP at www.electronic-obsession.se/label.asp
> > > 
> > > "Folk med riktiga skivsamlingar har riktiga spelare" (Daniel 
> Araya)
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "superwolle70" <superwolle70@>
> > > To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 11:06 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Dave Simmons' message about the 
> SDk5 !!!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Yeah! For this purpose it might be cool to establish a company 
> called
> > > > e.g. "Zimmonz" or "5immon5" to distribute the schematics for 
> free,
> > > > maybe via http://www.zimmonzdrumz.net ... ?
> > > >
> > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, <jesper@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Good point, especially if someone else legally owns the name, 
> why
> > > > not flood
> > > >> the market with schematics so all old stuff cab be repaired and
> > > > business
> > > >> worsen?! >:)
> > > >>
> > > >> electronically yours, jesper
> > > >> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> > > >> www.electronic-obsession.se
> > > >>
> > > >> Order your own copy of the Machinepop/Imiafan
> > > >> split-EP at www.electronic-obsession.se/label.asp
> > > >>
> > > >> "Folk med riktiga skivsamlingar har riktiga spelare" (Daniel 
> Araya)
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > >> From: "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@>
> > > >> To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 6:15 PM
> > > >> Subject: Betr: [Simmons Drums] Dave Simmons' message about the
> > SDk5 !!!
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > Whoohee
> > > >> > Get those monkey's in to court and sue there dumm asses off
> > > >> >
> > > >> > But hey one point here:
> > > >> > It would be nice if Mr Simmons could do some after sales to 
> his
> > > > former
> > > >> > customers
> > > >> > I mean: we all are begging for schematics here ( at least I 
> am, the
> > > >> > Sillicon
> > > >> > Mallet sound module/converter, or does anyone have it, I 
> mean I
> > > > have only
> > > >> > the controller/keyboard)  and hey where are they???? I guess 
> he
> > > > has them
> > > >> > I understand that he is now trying to make a point, but I 
> never
> > saw a
> > > >> > message
> > > >> > from him on a topic that I guess he could easily solve
> > > >> >
> > > >> > If he's not, still good luck
> > > >> >
> > > >> > BERK!
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
> > > >> >>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> >>From: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@>
> > > >> >>Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:51:02 -0000
> > > >> >>Subject: [Simmons Drums] Dave Simmons' message about the 
> SDk5  !!!
> > > >> >>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>Hi there ,
> > > >> >>we often wondered about copyrights & that sort of things ..
> > > >> >> here is the message from Dave , that makes it clear on that 
> Guitar
> > > >> >>centre trouble ;
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>Hi Patrice.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>You have probably seen the SD5K kit from Guitar Centre in 
> the USA?
> > > >> >>Here's the link: http://www.simmonsdrums.net/sd5k/
> > > >> >>Well, this was as much a shock to me as it is for everyone 
> else
> > > >> >>interested in electronic drums. I have not sold or 
> authorised the
> > > >> >>use of the Simmons name or logo on anything, let alone that 
> cheap
> > > >> >>Medeli kit from China. Guitar centre have stolen the name to 
> give
> > > >> >>the kit an instant visibility in the market place.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>This has really upset me, and I have instructed lawyers to 
> take
> > > >> >>legal action against Guitar Centre. Please can you pass it 
> around
> > > >> >>the Simmons forums and various websites that this kit is 
> nothing to
> > > >> >>do with me. I would hate to think of Simmons fans looking at 
> the
> > > >> >>kit, or even buying it on the basis that it might be 
> something
> > > >> >>different or special. It is a bog standard Chinese kit that 
> is
> > being
> > > >> >>manufactured and badged under all sorts of names.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>Best regards,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>Dave
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>         We all know the truth now !?
> > > >> >>              thanks for passing the News !
> > > >> >>                        Patrice.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >
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