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Re: [Simmons Drums] Simmons Hi-Hat

Re: [Simmons Drums] Simmons Hi-Hat

2006-05-16 by jesper@electronic-obsession.se

pigletdad (isn't that Christopher Robin?) ;)
>I used to be a music store sales guy in the 80's and I recall that the 
>SDS-7 Cymbal and Hi-
> Hat were generally not sought after. In fact, I recall that with one of 
> the demo kits that we
> sold, the drummer that bought it did not even take the cymbal or hi-hat. 
> Thus, those little
> gems sat around in the "unwanted bin" until the 90's when they were thrown 
> away. Little
> did we know that 20 years later I would be a Simmons freak and that those 
> 2 items are
> worth their weight in gold.

I never knew that was the case with the 7 as well... but I could've guessed. 
;)

> So I ask you, oh hexagonal hipsters, how does the hi-hat card
> differ from other sound cards in the sds-7? are there 2 e-proms for the 
> open and closed
> sounds? If not, can I use a tom card with a hi-hat e-prom? I just recently 
> picked up the hi-
> hat pedal and I am looking for more cards to use the extra pads that I 
> have.

Don't know... but I bet Wolfgang can answer.

> I also have an
> sds-5 What is that hi-hat module like?

Hard to get! ;) Or that wasn't what you meant? It's one single eprom used in 
both hihat and cymbal cards and it's the same code on them. It's a sampled 
noise or hiss which just is looped for longer sounds. Amazing how good it 
sounds when you think about it.

> Is that the most difficult piece to the Simmons
> puzzle?

_Your_ Simmons puzzle? We all have puzzles with missing pieces I guess, 
atleast us gearheads. My missing piece is the SDS-III. I wouldn't mind the 
original SDS either, but as far as I recall I think I've heard it's no 
more... So I guess I'll tweak my little SDS-2 some more and think about 
Wolfgang's missing puzzle pieces. ;)

> I would like to hear from some of you Simmons experts regarding these rare
> items. OBTW, the hi-hat pedal has a 1/4 inch output and both the sdsV and 
> 7 require XLR.
> Hmmm... is this the real pedal or is it a counterfeit pedal?

Weird... either it's modified for a modified set. Or is it maybe intended 
for a later Simmons unit? I'm not good at the digits passed 5 (as in SDS-V). 
Ask Wolfgang and the rest of the list. I always assumed it had XLR but I 
have no original pedal. I run my pedal to a patchbay and from there there's 
one cable going to the hihat input.

> I suppose a trs-xlr cable will do
> the trick. What do you guys think? (something tells me that Jesper shall 
> come to my rescue
> first) God bless you, Jesper!

Yes, I think it will do the trick, but it would be interesting to hear what 
the list has to say. And thanks... good luck!

electronically yours, jesper - he doesn't just bless me, he is in part 
responsible for my paycheck as well ;)
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Re: [Simmons Drums] Simmons Hi-Hat

2006-05-16 by Lars Johansson

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>> I also have an
>> sds-5 What is that hi-hat module like?

>Hard to get! ;) Or that wasn't what you meant? It's one single eprom used in 
>both hihat and cymbal cards and it's the same code on them. It's a sampled 
>noise or hiss which just is looped for longer sounds.

Not on my Hihat and Cymbal cards ! The sample is from a cymbal or hihat that is looped. In addition to this there is analog white noise that can be mixed with the sample.
 

>> I would like to hear from some of you Simmons experts regarding these rare
>> items. OBTW, the hi-hat pedal has a 1/4 inch output and both the sdsV and 
>> 7 require XLR.
>> Hmmm... is this the real pedal or is it a counterfeit pedal?

My Hihat pedal has XLR.

LJ

http://www.electromancer.com/artist.php?id=3b4bf9c30d
http://hem.spray.se/ppgwave/studiopics.html

Re: [Simmons Drums] Simmons Hi-Hat

2006-05-16 by jesper@electronic-obsession.se

Hi!

>>Hard to get! ;) Or that wasn't what you meant? It's one single eprom used 
>>in
>both hihat and cymbal cards and it's the same code on them. It's a sampled
>noise or hiss which just is looped for longer sounds.

LJ:
> Not on my Hihat and Cymbal cards ! The sample is from a cymbal or hihat 
> that is looped. In addition to this there is analog white noise that can 
> be mixed with the sample.

So a cymbal isn't just noise and hiss originally then. *lol* I meant that, 
the thing is that it's the same sound on both cards and that it's looped. I 
wasn't sure about the white noise stuff though...

> My Hihat pedal has XLR.

Sounds like a later model intended for something else. Or is it maybe not a 
hihatpedal at all but a program switch pedal or similar?

electronically yours, jesper
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Re: [Simmons Drums] Simmons Hi-Hat

2006-05-16 by Lars Johansson

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Yello !

>> My Hihat pedal has XLR.
> 
> Sounds like a later model intended for something else. Or is it maybe not a 
> hihatpedal at all but a program switch pedal or similar?

No, it´s a hihat pedal for sure. I have switchpedals too.

LJ

http://www.electromancer.com/artist.php?id=3b4bf9c30d
http://hem.spray.se/ppgwave/studiopics.html

Re: [Simmons Drums] Simmons Hi-Hat

2006-05-16 by jesper@electronic-obsession.se

I didn't mean your pedal but piglet's dad's! ;)

electronically yours, jesper
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Yello !

>> My Hihat pedal has XLR.
>
> Sounds like a later model intended for something else. Or is it maybe not 
> a
> hihatpedal at all but a program switch pedal or similar?

No, it\ufffds a hihat pedal for sure. I have switchpedals too.

LJ

http://www.electromancer.com/artist.php?id=3b4bf9c30d
http://hem.spray.se/ppgwave/studiopics.html




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Re: [Simmons Drums] Simmons Hi-Hat

2006-05-16 by Lars Johansson

Ok.

LJ

http://www.electromancer.com/artist.php?id=3b4bf9c30d
http://hem.spray.se/ppgwave/studiopics.html

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Re: [Simmons Drums] Simmons Hi-Hat

2006-05-16 by michael.buchner@debitel.net

Hi Pigletdad40,
if you have a tomcard, it's possible to convert it into a hihat. There are
some empty gaps on the drumboard (card) which must be filled with some
additional resistors, capacitors and diodes. There is only one eprom
responsible for both open and close sounds, the pedal regulates decay of the
vca and triggers also the env generators. The SDS's HH is, by the way, one
of the best playable and sounding HH's available. Open, close, half, chick,
stomp, splash, very nice. Invented 20 years ago...

The SDS5/SDS7 pedal itself is constructed around an infrared interrupt
switch, a H21A1 (Google around for details). It is definately not possible
to use other pedals without modification. The Hihat XLR of theSDS7 outputs
15V on its Pin 3. There is Gnd on Pin 1. And Pin 2 is the input of the HH
control-voltage. Using switch-pedals will result in shortcut of the SDS7
brain.

To increase sampling time, you can modify your new HH-card to 64K and
download the long HH eprom from www.simmonsmuseum.com.

So, if you made your decision to convert a card, I'll give you all details.
Michael

Re: Simmons Hi-Hat

2006-05-17 by pigletdad40

Thanks, Michael

I would like to do so, but I need to find a spare tom card... any ideas?

The pedal that I have purchased on e-bay has the 1/4" out. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIMMONS-DRUMS-SDSV-SDS7-HI-HAT-CONTROLER-
PEDAL_W0QQitemZ7412672988QQcategoryZ38069QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Do you recognize it? Someone thought it may be from the SDX kit. Do you think it would 
work with SDS-7 with a TRS-XLR cable?

Any advice would be appreciated,
Pigletdad

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, <michael.buchner@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi Pigletdad40,
> if you have a tomcard, it's possible to convert it into a hihat. There are
> some empty gaps on the drumboard (card) which must be filled with some
> additional resistors, capacitors and diodes. There is only one eprom
> responsible for both open and close sounds, the pedal regulates decay of the
> vca and triggers also the env generators. The SDS's HH is, by the way, one
> of the best playable and sounding HH's available. Open, close, half, chick,
> stomp, splash, very nice. Invented 20 years ago...
> 
> The SDS5/SDS7 pedal itself is constructed around an infrared interrupt
> switch, a H21A1 (Google around for details). It is definately not possible
> to use other pedals without modification. The Hihat XLR of theSDS7 outputs
> 15V on its Pin 3. There is Gnd on Pin 1. And Pin 2 is the input of the HH
> control-voltage. Using switch-pedals will result in shortcut of the SDS7
> brain.
> 
> To increase sampling time, you can modify your new HH-card to 64K and
> download the long HH eprom from www.simmonsmuseum.com.
> 
> So, if you made your decision to convert a card, I'll give you all details.
> Michael
>

Re: [Simmons Drums] Simmons Hi-Hat

2006-05-17 by Adam Calaitzis

I think the fact you remember all this is amazing.

Adam Calaitzis
www.toyland.com.au
adamcal@...





  Hi Pigletdad40,
  if you have a tomcard, it's possible to convert it into a hihat. There are
  some empty gaps on the drumboard (card) which must be filled with some
  additional resistors, capacitors and diodes. There is only one eprom
  responsible for both open and close sounds, the pedal regulates decay of the
  vca and triggers also the env generators. The SDS's HH is, by the way, one
  of the best playable and sounding HH's available. Open, close, half, chick,
  stomp, splash, very nice. Invented 20 years ago...

  The SDS5/SDS7 pedal itself is constructed around an infrared interrupt
  switch, a H21A1 (Google around for details). It is definately not possible
  to use other pedals without modification. The Hihat XLR of theSDS7 outputs
  15V on its Pin 3. There is Gnd on Pin 1. And Pin 2 is the input of the HH
  control-voltage. Using switch-pedals will result in shortcut of the SDS7
  brain.

  To increase sampling time, you can modify your new HH-card to 64K and
  download the long HH eprom from www.simmonsmuseum.com.

  So, if you made your decision to convert a card, I'll give you all details.
  Michael





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Re: [Simmons Drums] Simmons Hi-Hat

2006-05-17 by jesper@electronic-obsession.se

I can however confirm that switch pedals work on the sds-v, if only to open 
and close (i e killing the decay).

electronically yours, jesper
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> Hi Pigletdad40,
> if you have a tomcard, it's possible to convert it into a hihat. There are
> some empty gaps on the drumboard (card) which must be filled with some
> additional resistors, capacitors and diodes. There is only one eprom
> responsible for both open and close sounds, the pedal regulates decay of 
> the
> vca and triggers also the env generators. The SDS's HH is, by the way, one
> of the best playable and sounding HH's available. Open, close, half, 
> chick,
> stomp, splash, very nice. Invented 20 years ago...
>
> The SDS5/SDS7 pedal itself is constructed around an infrared interrupt
> switch, a H21A1 (Google around for details). It is definately not possible
> to use other pedals without modification. The Hihat XLR of theSDS7 outputs
> 15V on its Pin 3. There is Gnd on Pin 1. And Pin 2 is the input of the HH
> control-voltage. Using switch-pedals will result in shortcut of the SDS7
> brain.
>
> To increase sampling time, you can modify your new HH-card to 64K and
> download the long HH eprom from www.simmonsmuseum.com.
>
> So, if you made your decision to convert a card, I'll give you all 
> details.
> Michael
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Re: Simmons Hi-Hat

2006-05-17 by superwolle70

It's  not the die cast SDX pedal which I have. As it has the older
Simmons logo probably a successor of the die cast pedal? Can you find
out how it works? If it only makes "open", "closing" and "closed" it's
definetely not an SDX pedal, ottherwise if it can make half-open
states also, it should be.

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "pigletdad40" <pigletdad40@...>
wrote:
>
> Thanks, Michael
> 
> I would like to do so, but I need to find a spare tom card... any ideas?
> 
> The pedal that I have purchased on e-bay has the 1/4" out. 
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/SIMMONS-DRUMS-SDSV-SDS7-HI-HAT-CONTROLER-
> PEDAL_W0QQitemZ7412672988QQcategoryZ38069QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> 
> Do you recognize it? Someone thought it may be from the SDX kit. Do
you think it would 
> work with SDS-7 with a TRS-XLR cable?
> 
> Any advice would be appreciated,
> Pigletdad
> 
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, <michael.buchner@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Pigletdad40,
> > if you have a tomcard, it's possible to convert it into a hihat.
There are
> > some empty gaps on the drumboard (card) which must be filled with some
> > additional resistors, capacitors and diodes. There is only one eprom
> > responsible for both open and close sounds, the pedal regulates
decay of the
> > vca and triggers also the env generators. The SDS's HH is, by the
way, one
> > of the best playable and sounding HH's available. Open, close,
half, chick,
> > stomp, splash, very nice. Invented 20 years ago...
> > 
> > The SDS5/SDS7 pedal itself is constructed around an infrared interrupt
> > switch, a H21A1 (Google around for details). It is definately not
possible
> > to use other pedals without modification. The Hihat XLR of theSDS7
outputs
> > 15V on its Pin 3. There is Gnd on Pin 1. And Pin 2 is the input of
the HH
> > control-voltage. Using switch-pedals will result in shortcut of
the SDS7
> > brain.
> > 
> > To increase sampling time, you can modify your new HH-card to 64K and
> > download the long HH eprom from www.simmonsmuseum.com.
> > 
> > So, if you made your decision to convert a card, I'll give you all
details.
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> > Michael
> >
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