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I'm pretty sure it was the 7's
That's when they started with digital samples instead of all analog filters.
Sean

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  Subject: [Simmons Drums] Question on certain a Simmons sound


  What console made a really cool crash cymbal sound? Was it the SDS-5, 
  the SDS-7, or have both consoles made that sound (whichever one was in 
  a drummer's disposal)? I have heard that sound in a lot of 80's pop 
  songs such as "High on Emothions" by Chris DeBurgh, "Carribean Queen" 
  by Billy Ocean, "Evan" by Jan Hammer (I also wondered about how I can 
  get that cool ride cymbal sound too), "The Ghost in You" by The 
  Psychadelic Furs, "Oh Shiela" by Ready for the World, and several 
  others (I cannot name them all). How can I produce these awesome crash 
  and ride cymbal sounds? I would like to know that so I can use these 
  sounds myself for my own recordings.





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Hello ,
remember that both SDSV & 7 had eproms for cymbals ...
(Yes the SDSV had a digital part for the cymbals soundcards )...
I think that SDS7 library was more extended to offer some different  crashes
/ HH & ride cymbals, while the SDSV had a quite fixed library (& I presume
limited to the samples on board in the modules ) .
so if you know the date of the recordings you're talking  about, it might
help you to determine what brain was available at that time...
Maybe the SDSV samples were also available in the "7" librairy ...so ...
If I remeber well the SDSV had been produced from 81 to 83 (?)  & then the
SDS7 arrived ... So after 84 it might be both ...

hope that helps,
Patrice.


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From: "Sean O'Rourke" <sean@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Question on certain a Simmons sound


> I'm pretty sure it was the 7's
> That's when they started with digital samples instead of all analog
filters.
> Sean
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>   From: hamsterdrum85
>   To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 1:02 PM
>   Subject: [Simmons Drums] Question on certain a Simmons sound
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>   What console made a really cool crash cymbal sound? Was it the SDS-5,
>   the SDS-7, or have both consoles made that sound (whichever one was in
>   a drummer's disposal)? I have heard that sound in a lot of 80's pop
>   songs such as "High on Emothions" by Chris DeBurgh, "Carribean Queen"
>   by Billy Ocean, "Evan" by Jan Hammer (I also wondered about how I can
>   get that cool ride cymbal sound too), "The Ghost in You" by The
>   Psychadelic Furs, "Oh Shiela" by Ready for the World, and several
>   others (I cannot name them all). How can I produce these awesome crash
>   and ride cymbal sounds? I would like to know that so I can use these
>   sounds myself for my own recordings.
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I just found out those were done on a Linn drum machine. I know that the Linn Drum, Oberheim DX and DMX, and the Simmons SDS7 all used the same EPROMs.

Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...> wrote:   Hello ,
remember that both SDSV & 7 had eproms for cymbals ...
(Yes the SDSV had a digital part for the cymbals soundcards )...
I think that SDS7 library was more extended to offer some different  crashes
/ HH & ride cymbals, while the SDSV had a quite fixed library (& I presume
limited to the samples on board in the modules ) .
so if you know the date of the recordings you're talking  about, it might
help you to determine what brain was available at that time...
Maybe the SDSV samples were also available in the "7" librairy ...so ...
If I remeber well the SDSV had been produced from 81 to 83 (?)  & then the
SDS7 arrived ... So after 84 it might be both ...

hope that helps,
Patrice.

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From: "Sean O'Rourke" <sean@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Question on certain a Simmons sound


> I'm pretty sure it was the 7's
> That's when they started with digital samples instead of all analog
filters.
> Sean
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: hamsterdrum85
>   To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 1:02 PM
>   Subject: [Simmons Drums] Question on certain a Simmons sound
>
>
>   What console made a really cool crash cymbal sound? Was it the SDS-5,
>   the SDS-7, or have both consoles made that sound (whichever one was in
>   a drummer's disposal)? I have heard that sound in a lot of 80's pop
>   songs such as "High on Emothions" by Chris DeBurgh, "Carribean Queen"
>   by Billy Ocean, "Evan" by Jan Hammer (I also wondered about how I can
>   get that cool ride cymbal sound too), "The Ghost in You" by The
>   Psychadelic Furs, "Oh Shiela" by Ready for the World, and several
>   others (I cannot name them all). How can I produce these awesome crash
>   and ride cymbal sounds? I would like to know that so I can use these
>   sounds myself for my own recordings.
>
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>
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Small information ;-):
It's true, that all these factories use the same Eproms- like you use the
same memory cards for your digital camera, mp3-player or whatever. But- only
the chips. The sounds, the sampling rate, size and even the format were
different, f. e. it's not possible to play back Linn 9000 Proms on any
Simmons unit, the format has to be changed with an oberheim prommer. Linn
and Oberheim packed their large sounds like Cymbals in up to 8 Proms 2732,
because that was cheaper than one big chip. Simmons never "stole" sounds by
copying from other machines.
Eproms used by the simmons product range are: 2732 (only on SDSV digital HH
and Cymbal), 2764 (SDS7,SDS9,SDS1), 27128 (SDS7, SDS9, SDS1) and 27256 (SDS7
Cymbal and HH). The SDS1000 Eprom contains all 4 snare sounds in a row and
is a 27256, sometimes a 27512 with no audible difference, only the first
half is playbacked.
The SDS5 digital Cymbal and Hihat read out their eproms with a
forward/backward counter permanently to create a loop. So the sound can be
as long as the decay control allowes. But the sample itself was only a small
portion of a metallic hiss (decay of a cymbal, no attack), so it doesn't
made any sense to convert it for another machine. There never was a library
for SDSV Cym and HH sounds, and they were never in the SDS7's library (too
short). A fully equipped SDS5 at its best is recorded on "White Horse" by
Laid Back. The Cym can be heared with nice sweep f. e. on Stevie Wonder's "I
just called to say I love you".
All other SDS read out one-shot. All Simmons original eproms have a sampling
frequency around 32khz and have a bandwith of 8 bit. The format is linear.
For SDS7 I made a little modification on some cards to playback 27512 Eproms
containing large cymbals and timpanies.
The old harsh 8bit cymbal sounds are easy to get even without the old
equipment - on pc or mac: Grab a normal 16bit cymbal sample, compress it
very hard and transform it down to 8bit mono with low sampling rate. This
can be done easily by f. e. Steinberg Wavelab. Then convert it back to 16bit
stereo,44.1khz and use it in a software of your choice.
Have fun
Michael

Very useful information. I was not sure about formats for any of the ROM information for these electronic percussion instruments. I was wondering if it was like the EPROMs from a Nintendo cartridge and an Atari Cartridge (just about the same EPROM but different ROM data because an NES format starts with the Ascii code that reads NES). Now I know--and knowing is half the battle! G.I. Joooooe!!! HA!!! I like doing that...I can't help myself...
   
  Dean Rumsey

michael.buchner@... wrote:
  Small information ;-):
It's true, that all these factories use the same Eproms- like you use the
same memory cards for your digital camera, mp3-player or whatever. But- only
the chips. The sounds, the sampling rate, size and even the format were
different, f. e. it's not possible to play back Linn 9000 Proms on any
Simmons unit, the format has to be changed with an oberheim prommer. Linn
and Oberheim packed their large sounds like Cymbals in up to 8 Proms 2732,
because that was cheaper than one big chip. Simmons never "stole" sounds by
copying from other machines.
Eproms used by the simmons product range are: 2732 (only on SDSV digital HH
and Cymbal), 2764 (SDS7,SDS9,SDS1), 27128 (SDS7, SDS9, SDS1) and 27256 (SDS7
Cymbal and HH). The SDS1000 Eprom contains all 4 snare sounds in a row and
is a 27256, sometimes a 27512 with no audible difference, only the first
half is playbacked.
The SDS5 digital Cymbal and Hihat read out their eproms with a
forward/backward counter permanently to create a loop. So the sound can be
as long as the decay control allowes. But the sample itself was only a small
portion of a metallic hiss (decay of a cymbal, no attack), so it doesn't
made any sense to convert it for another machine. There never was a library
for SDSV Cym and HH sounds, and they were never in the SDS7's library (too
short). A fully equipped SDS5 at its best is recorded on "White Horse" by
Laid Back. The Cym can be heared with nice sweep f. e. on Stevie Wonder's "I
just called to say I love you".
All other SDS read out one-shot. All Simmons original eproms have a sampling
frequency around 32khz and have a bandwith of 8 bit. The format is linear.
For SDS7 I made a little modification on some cards to playback 27512 Eproms
containing large cymbals and timpanies.
The old harsh 8bit cymbal sounds are easy to get even without the old
equipment - on pc or mac: Grab a normal 16bit cymbal sample, compress it
very hard and transform it down to 8bit mono with low sampling rate. This
can be done easily by f. e. Steinberg Wavelab. Then convert it back to 16bit
stereo,44.1khz and use it in a software of your choice.
Have fun
Michael




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Thanks - the big lesson on proms and memory... makes me love my SDS-V with 
HH and cymbal cards even more. ;)

electronically yours, jesper
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From: <michael.buchner@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Question on certain a Simmons sound


> Small information ;-):
> It's true, that all these factories use the same Eproms- like you use the
> same memory cards for your digital camera, mp3-player or whatever. But- 
> only
> the chips. The sounds, the sampling rate, size and even the format were
> different, f. e. it's not possible to play back Linn 9000 Proms on any
> Simmons unit, the format has to be changed with an oberheim prommer. Linn
> and Oberheim packed their large sounds like Cymbals in up to 8 Proms 2732,
> because that was cheaper than one big chip. Simmons never "stole" sounds 
> by
> copying from other machines.
> Eproms used by the simmons product range are: 2732 (only on SDSV digital 
> HH
> and Cymbal), 2764 (SDS7,SDS9,SDS1), 27128 (SDS7, SDS9, SDS1) and 27256 
> (SDS7
> Cymbal and HH). The SDS1000 Eprom contains all 4 snare sounds in a row and
> is a 27256, sometimes a 27512 with no audible difference, only the first
> half is playbacked.
> The SDS5 digital Cymbal and Hihat read out their eproms with a
> forward/backward counter permanently to create a loop. So the sound can be
> as long as the decay control allowes. But the sample itself was only a 
> small
> portion of a metallic hiss (decay of a cymbal, no attack), so it doesn't
> made any sense to convert it for another machine. There never was a 
> library
> for SDSV Cym and HH sounds, and they were never in the SDS7's library (too
> short). A fully equipped SDS5 at its best is recorded on "White Horse" by
> Laid Back. The Cym can be heared with nice sweep f. e. on Stevie Wonder's 
> "I
> just called to say I love you".
> All other SDS read out one-shot. All Simmons original eproms have a 
> sampling
> frequency around 32khz and have a bandwith of 8 bit. The format is linear.
> For SDS7 I made a little modification on some cards to playback 27512 
> Eproms
> containing large cymbals and timpanies.
> The old harsh 8bit cymbal sounds are easy to get even without the old
> equipment - on pc or mac: Grab a normal 16bit cymbal sample, compress it
> very hard and transform it down to 8bit mono with low sampling rate. This
> can be done easily by f. e. Steinberg Wavelab. Then convert it back to 
> 16bit
> stereo,44.1khz and use it in a software of your choice.
> Have fun
> Michael
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