Vintage Simmons Drums (UK) Users Group

It pays to be cautious. I've read on this  group that there's a guy selling 
sub-par chips on Ebay. His feature a laser  printed label that look like the 
original but they sound awful, so I've heard. I  sell EPROMs for Simmons but I 
clone originals bit for bit or I make entirely new  ones. I use labels that 
look similar to Simmons but my name is on them. I would  ask the seller how he 
copied his chips. If he says he used a Simmons EPB, don't  bother. Hold out for 
originals or buy from a guy who knows what he is  doing.
 
                                                                              
                          Greg


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sovereigng@... wrote:
> It pays to be cautious. I've read on this  group that there's a guy selling 
> sub-par chips on Ebay. His feature a laser  printed label that look like the 
> original but they sound awful, so I've heard. I  sell EPROMs for Simmons but I 
> clone originals bit for bit or I make entirely new  ones. I use labels that 
> look similar to Simmons but my name is on them. I would  ask the seller how he 
> copied his chips. If he says he used a Simmons EPB, don't  bother. Hold out for 
> originals or buy from a guy who knows what he is  doing.

How can they sound awful?  It's an 8-bit sample, it's going to sound 
pretty awful to begin with.  On top of that, you're just making a 
bit-for-bit copy.

Unless the EPB doesn't do that, which would surprise me a little.

Gordon.

8 bit samples can sound nasty but there are  ways of working around it. The 
problem w/ the EPB is it can't clone a chip. You  have to play the chip through 
a device (SDS-1 or other), passing the audio  through the units noisy output, 
through the noisy input of the EPB and all while  ensuring you have the 
sampling level set high enough w/out clipping. Pretty  cheesy. So, while it's a 
nice novelty (Even I own one but haven't taken it out  of it's case in yrs.) it's 
not to be taken seriously.  


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Thanks for everyone's input. 

I just wrote the guy and he told me that he has the original eprom 
set that he copies from with a gang programmer and NOS blank eproms. 

so...acording to him these are bit for bit digital copies of the 
original simmons eproms. 

Any ideas on what a set of ten "copies" would be worth?



--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, sovereigng@... wrote:
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> 8 bit samples can sound nasty but there are  ways of working around 
it. The 
> problem w/ the EPB is it can't clone a chip. You  have to play the 
chip through 
> a device (SDS-1 or other), passing the audio  through the units 
noisy output, 
> through the noisy input of the EPB and all while  ensuring you have 
the 
> sampling level set high enough w/out clipping. Pretty  cheesy. So, 
while it's a 
> nice novelty (Even I own one but haven't taken it out  of it's case 
in yrs.) it's 

> not to be taken seriously.  
> 
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$70-$100 depending on what's in the  package. That's my guess.


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well, 

I lost the bid  :(  actually my bid too late and didn't even get it 
in.

Anyway he has offered to send me a set for 50 bucks.....that sounds 
fair if the quality is there and they really are digital copies. The 
labels don't matter one way or the other... its the SOUNDS I need.

I'll report back with the verdict of my purchase.

Thanks again for all input.

Rob 
(a simmons noobee)

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "R. M. Hammond" 
<buggsbuddy2002@...> wrote:
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> Thanks for everyone's input. 
> 
> I just wrote the guy and he told me that he has the original eprom 
> set that he copies from with a gang programmer and NOS blank 
eproms. 
> 
> so...acording to him these are bit for bit digital copies of the 
> original simmons eproms. 
> 
> Any ideas on what a set of ten "copies" would be worth?
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, sovereigng@ wrote:
> >
> > 8 bit samples can sound nasty but there are  ways of working 
around 
> it. The 
> > problem w/ the EPB is it can't clone a chip. You  have to play 
the 
> chip through 
> > a device (SDS-1 or other), passing the audio  through the units 
> noisy output, 
> > through the noisy input of the EPB and all while  ensuring you 
have 
> the 
> > sampling level set high enough w/out clipping. Pretty  cheesy. 
So, 
> while it's a 
> > nice novelty (Even I own one but haven't taken it out  of it's 
case 

> in yrs.) it's 
> > not to be taken seriously.  
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

> The labels don't matter one way or the other... its the SOUNDS I need.

The labels do matter - they need to be opaque and cover the window.
EPROMS are UV ereased, and there's a slight change of corruption
if they're left under inappropriate lights for long periods...


Steve

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>> The labels don't matter one way or the other... its the SOUNDS I need.
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> The labels do matter - they need to be opaque and cover the window.
> EPROMS are UV ereased, and there's a slight change of corruption
> if they're left under inappropriate lights for long periods...
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>
> Steve

I have left unlabelled EPROMs in direct sunlight for several days in an
attempt to erase them.  Didn't get so much as a single bit drop out.

OTOH I have heard that some camera flashguns can erase EPROMs.

Gordon.

[Homer-mode on]
"mmmmm, corruption...." *drewl*
[Homer-mode off]

;)

electronically yours, jesper - loves a crunchy snare in the evening 
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www.electronic-obsession.se

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Steve Ridley" <spr@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Eprom set on eBay


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>> The labels don't matter one way or the other... its the SOUNDS I need.
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> The labels do matter - they need to be opaque and cover the window.
> EPROMS are UV ereased, and there's a slight change of corruption
> if they're left under inappropriate lights for long periods...
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> Steve
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A friend of mine erases his during the summer... but it takes a week or so 
(Stockholm that is).

electronically yours, jesper
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www.electronic-obsession.se


----- Original Message ----- 

From: <gordon@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Eprom set on eBay


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>>> The labels don't matter one way or the other... its the SOUNDS I need.
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>> The labels do matter - they need to be opaque and cover the window.
>> EPROMS are UV ereased, and there's a slight change of corruption
>> if they're left under inappropriate lights for long periods...
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>> Steve
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> I have left unlabelled EPROMs in direct sunlight for several days in an
> attempt to erase them.  Didn't get so much as a single bit drop out.
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> OTOH I have heard that some camera flashguns can erase EPROMs.
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