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  From: dalenkarl 
  To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:27 AM
  Subject: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!


  I wonder, would there be any interest/market for a remake 
  of a set of simmons drums, either as a DIY kit or as ready
  made?

  Im talking of the sound module + sequencer in one unit!
  If so wich one, how much?

  Reg
  KD





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From: "dalenkarl" <dalenkarl@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:27 AM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!


>I wonder, would there be any interest/market for a remake
> of a set of simmons drums, either as a DIY kit or as ready
> made?
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> Im talking of the sound module + sequencer in one unit!
> If so wich one, how much?
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> Reg
> KD
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dalenkarl" <dalenkarl@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!


--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Maddox (Mail LIsts)"
<Paul.Maddox.Mail-list@S...> wrote:
> K,
>
> > Well, there is no copyright issue "exept" "perhaps"
> > for the name simmons, we could name it Limmons for instance! :-)
>
> Hehe.

Limmons and Dimmons! :-)

>
> > Well, i just had a look at it, base the VCA and VCO VCF on 13700
> > and we are dirt cheap, one side does VCO the other does VCA
> > "including" sine shaper and 2 quadrant modulator FM as default
> > in VCO, drums dont need tempcos so we save an awful lot of money
> > there. Nor do we need perfect tracking so standard components
> > will do for every thing.
>
> :-)
> To get that 'simmons' SDS-V sound, you need a 4 pole filter,
preferably a
> moog ladder (SSM2044)

I dont know the internals of the V, but if VCO produces
triangle as in those Simmons units based on CEM3394,
then perhaps (for filtering it down to sine) but if
the VCO allready does sine no filter at all are needed.

Besides resonance are not used in most Simmons drums so
character of filter type are most invisible unless heavyli
saturated inputs. But of that im not shure since it was
long time i heard a SDS.

> > Sequencer brain including user interface (pot scan),
> > demux for drum voice controll can stay at 8 bit all
> > done with one of your favourites, AT MEGA16 for instance.
>
> Pretty cheap, yes..
> Then theres the PCB, Power supply, Case and assembly costs.

Powersupply are standard wallwart 9V AC filtered into +/-6 to 8V
and a +5V dirt cheap.

PCB, well there are cheapo places to deal with.

Case, a problem tought, shoe box perhaps?

Assembly, well DIY!
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> > I dont consider the hardware the biggest cost, a quick look
> > says 8 voice module including evrything, brain etc could be
> > done well under 250euro! Thats the "raw" cost, no profit,
> > no taxes, etc.
>
> Go for it, But I think you'll be in for a surprise when you goto
manufacture
> it..

Well, i was more into the DIY side of it! Make a PCB and
programmed MCU in a kit, builder gets rest. Lets say 150euro
for that (ex shipping).

> I recently tried to build a polysynth, to make an 8voice
digital/analogue

Yes i know! :-)

> poly was going to cost around \ufffd2500 to make, which meant I'd have
had to
> sell it for over \ufffd3000, and not many people will pay tthat for an 8
note
> polysynth these days :-(

Saad truth yes i feel the pain!

But also, it depends on how you build it, do it the moog voyager way
and you "must" ask 3000usd for it (what a over done synth that is)
Or be clever and minimize to a absolute minimum to achive desired
function, yes i know its a "really" hard task to achieve.

I was very supriced when i saw the inner electronics of the Voyager!!

Reg
KD







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From: "Gordon JC Pearce" <gordon@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!


> jesper@... wrote:
>> I doubt it - those with cool filters have rare IC:s in them and those
>> without sounds crappy etc. I think there is enough new and alternative
>> drummers out there to fill the void...
>
> There's no good reason why you can't get close to the sound of the
> original Curtis chips using discrete components (OK, I'm going to lump
> op-amps in there, very loosely).
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>> But if you insist - the SDS-III would be the one to clone!
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> Got a circuit diagram?  It looks as though it would be pretty simple.
>
>> electronically yours, jesper
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> single - or double-layer? If it's single layer, a simple scan of the
> track side would make it trivially easy to copy...
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From: "dalenkarl" <dalenkarl@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:02 PM
Subject: SDS 3 Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!


> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Williamson" <tom@t...> wrote:
>> The 7 original SDS-III document scans used in the PDF on Paul's site
>> are available on my personal site for a limited period:-
> www.tomdw.com
>>
>> Tom W.
> Sank you, sank you, welly much! :-)
>
> After a short glipse at the schemos, to me the SDS3 looks a bit dorky!
> Sort Off, not much of variation in sounds here!
>
> So whats the fuzz about the SDS3? Both SD5 and 7 are neater
> when it comes to sound but perhaps the package the SD3 comes
> in are cuter! :-)
>
> BTW i did some initial sound tests of the proposed Drum VOICE
> cirqurityry i described earlier just for fun and i was quite
> suppriced how well it sounded and the quite broad range of
> sounds its capable off, it was to be back in 1982 again!
>
> At the moment its best at various Toms, BD and metallick
> and wodden sounds a bit of work left for really decent
> snares, Hi/hat quite OK but some more variations could
> be neat .
>
> Snares rellay needs a some wodd/metall to it but
> at least 2 BP separate Cf points to get some variation.
>
> I didnt like the klick gen that simmons uses in some machines
> so i did a variation on the theme that works verry well!
>
> I also come up witha neat cirquitry to emulate second skin
> and tension of skin, really neat i could simulate untuned
> floppy, lose skin skrews garage BD's! :-)
>
> Oh, and the rolling simmons toms are just fine!
>
> Reg
> KD Lang
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> KD
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> The SDS-3was a drum synthesiser, it was capable of producing some
> amazing sounds but it wasn't a 'kit' as such. We (the drummers of
> the late 70's) used to trigger 2 channels at once to achieve the
> famous 'Simmons' sound, I believe this is what started the development
> of the SDS-5.
> 
> Tom W.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!


Well Nate, if you say so ...

It depends what sound you're expecting from your SImmons...
if you're talking about peeeeooowwww, yes a lot of things can do
that !
I guess it's the Simmons sounds I hate the most !
but for beefy tribal sounds I didn't find it anywhere else ...I have
tryed the Waldorf Attack....... & never opened it since then...

But If a virtual synth in a laptop can do what I expect from my
SImmons units ; believe me I 'll be the first to purchase it !!!
I'm not a fan of units all over the studio !

Heresy or not , just a personal opinion , virtual synths are far
from  Simmons , like Atmosphere is imitating the Fairlight type of
sound in a great & an easier way ........to the point you're lucky
enough to hear a real one ... & you're suddenly in another
universe ...
Which isn't a good thing really , a Fairlight is still a  lot more
expensive than Atmosphere ...Unfortunetaly ...

As I said before maybe one day  ...

 Take care of you SDS9, it's a nice unit ,
Cheers ,
Patrice.




--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Stewart" <nateworld@h...>
wrote:
> I've had it for quite some time, and it sounds pretty good.  To
those who
> cry heresy, I am triggering it using an SDS-9 as my MIDI
interface.  ;-)
>
> Nate
>
> >From: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@w...>
> >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
> >Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:58:57 -0000
> >
> >Hi Nate ,
> >
> >
> >Are you sure ?
> >a virtual synth to compete with the organic one ?
> >For the moment , I'm afraid it's just a fantasy... an
> >approximation ...
> >maybe one day ...when we'll all have a 384HZ sound card ...
> >
> >bye,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Stewart"
<nateworld@h...>
> >wrote:
> > > Just track down the VST version of Waldorf Attack.  A modeled
SDS-V
> >is one
> > > of the presets, and you can alter the sounds to your heart's
> >content.
> > >
> > > Nate
> > >
> > > >From: Paul.Maddox.Mail-list@S...
> > > >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
> > > >Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:35:33 +0100
> > > >
> > > >KD,
> > > >
> > > > > I wonder, would there be any interest/market for a remake
> > > > > of a set of simmons drums, either as a DIY kit or as ready
> > > > > made?
> > > >
> > > >Aside from the copyright issues, I'm sure people would go for
it,
> >if it
> > > >sounded
> > > >good.
> > > >The biggest problem is going to be cost.
> > > >If you're talking just the drum brain, then it'd have to be
less
> >than \ufffd250
> > > >to
> > > >compete with the stuff that goes on e-bay. and that's going to
be
> >the
> > > >hardest
> > > >part..
> > > >
> > > >Paul
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>From: <jesper@...>
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:23:49 +0200
>
>I'd like a whole weekend to test soft synths that emulates stuff I do 
>own...
>Would be cool to hear if I (haven't heard anyone else yet) could copy the
>original sound I love my machines for...
>
>electronically yours, jesper
>- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
>To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:48 AM
>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
>
>
>Well Nate, if you say so ...
>
>It depends what sound you're expecting from your SImmons...
>if you're talking about peeeeooowwww, yes a lot of things can do
>that !
>I guess it's the Simmons sounds I hate the most !
>but for beefy tribal sounds I didn't find it anywhere else ...I have
>tryed the Waldorf Attack....... & never opened it since then...
>
>But If a virtual synth in a laptop can do what I expect from my
>SImmons units ; believe me I 'll be the first to purchase it !!!
>I'm not a fan of units all over the studio !
>
>Heresy or not , just a personal opinion , virtual synths are far
>from  Simmons , like Atmosphere is imitating the Fairlight type of
>sound in a great & an easier way ........to the point you're lucky
>enough to hear a real one ... & you're suddenly in another
>universe ...
>Which isn't a good thing really , a Fairlight is still a  lot more
>expensive than Atmosphere ...Unfortunetaly ...
>
>As I said before maybe one day  ...
>
>  Take care of you SDS9, it's a nice unit ,
>Cheers ,
>Patrice.
>
>
>
>
>--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Stewart" <nateworld@h...>
>wrote:
> > I've had it for quite some time, and it sounds pretty good.  To
>those who
> > cry heresy, I am triggering it using an SDS-9 as my MIDI
>interface.  ;-)
> >
> > Nate
> >
> > >From: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@w...>
> > >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
> > >Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:58:57 -0000
> > >
> > >Hi Nate ,
> > >
> > >
> > >Are you sure ?
> > >a virtual synth to compete with the organic one ?
> > >For the moment , I'm afraid it's just a fantasy... an
> > >approximation ...
> > >maybe one day ...when we'll all have a 384HZ sound card ...
> > >
> > >bye,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Stewart"
><nateworld@h...>
> > >wrote:
> > > > Just track down the VST version of Waldorf Attack.  A modeled
>SDS-V
> > >is one
> > > > of the presets, and you can alter the sounds to your heart's
> > >content.
> > > >
> > > > Nate
> > > >
> > > > >From: Paul.Maddox.Mail-list@S...
> > > > >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
> > > > >Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:35:33 +0100
> > > > >
> > > > >KD,
> > > > >
> > > > > > I wonder, would there be any interest/market for a remake
> > > > > > of a set of simmons drums, either as a DIY kit or as ready
> > > > > > made?
> > > > >
> > > > >Aside from the copyright issues, I'm sure people would go for
>it,
> > >if it
> > > > >sounded
> > > > >good.
> > > > >The biggest problem is going to be cost.
> > > > >If you're talking just the drum brain, then it'd have to be
>less
> > >than \ufffd250
> > > > >to
> > > > >compete with the stuff that goes on e-bay. and that's going to
>be
> > >the
> > > > >hardest
> > > > >part..
> > > > >
> > > > >Paul
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From: "Nate Stewart" <nateworld@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!


> You don't want to listen to me...  I'm also using a Pearl Drum-X which
> sounds more Simmons than Simmons to my ears.  :-)
>
> I'm not saying that the soft synth is perfect, but it's close enough for
> rock and roll, and that coupled with the lack of upkeep and space savings
> are a winning combination for me.  It meets my needs.  Certainly hearing a
> real Simmons was eye opening because it is a much more complex sound than
> you ever hear on record, but in a mix, most of that disappears and you are
> left with the characteristic "Simmons sound."
>
> Nate
>
>
>
>>From: <jesper@...>
>>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>>To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
>>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:23:49 +0200
>>
>>I'd like a whole weekend to test soft synths that emulates stuff I do
>>own...
>>Would be cool to hear if I (haven't heard anyone else yet) could copy the
>>original sound I love my machines for...
>>
>>electronically yours, jesper
>>- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>>www.electronic-obsession.se
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
>>To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:48 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
>>
>>
>>Well Nate, if you say so ...
>>
>>It depends what sound you're expecting from your SImmons...
>>if you're talking about peeeeooowwww, yes a lot of things can do
>>that !
>>I guess it's the Simmons sounds I hate the most !
>>but for beefy tribal sounds I didn't find it anywhere else ...I have
>>tryed the Waldorf Attack....... & never opened it since then...
>>
>>But If a virtual synth in a laptop can do what I expect from my
>>SImmons units ; believe me I 'll be the first to purchase it !!!
>>I'm not a fan of units all over the studio !
>>
>>Heresy or not , just a personal opinion , virtual synths are far
>>from  Simmons , like Atmosphere is imitating the Fairlight type of
>>sound in a great & an easier way ........to the point you're lucky
>>enough to hear a real one ... & you're suddenly in another
>>universe ...
>>Which isn't a good thing really , a Fairlight is still a  lot more
>>expensive than Atmosphere ...Unfortunetaly ...
>>
>>As I said before maybe one day  ...
>>
>>  Take care of you SDS9, it's a nice unit ,
>>Cheers ,
>>Patrice.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Stewart" <nateworld@h...>
>>wrote:
>> > I've had it for quite some time, and it sounds pretty good.  To
>>those who
>> > cry heresy, I am triggering it using an SDS-9 as my MIDI
>>interface.  ;-)
>> >
>> > Nate
>> >
>> > >From: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@w...>
>> > >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> > >Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
>> > >Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:58:57 -0000
>> > >
>> > >Hi Nate ,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Are you sure ?
>> > >a virtual synth to compete with the organic one ?
>> > >For the moment , I'm afraid it's just a fantasy... an
>> > >approximation ...
>> > >maybe one day ...when we'll all have a 384HZ sound card ...
>> > >
>> > >bye,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Stewart"
>><nateworld@h...>
>> > >wrote:
>> > > > Just track down the VST version of Waldorf Attack.  A modeled
>>SDS-V
>> > >is one
>> > > > of the presets, and you can alter the sounds to your heart's
>> > >content.
>> > > >
>> > > > Nate
>> > > >
>> > > > >From: Paul.Maddox.Mail-list@S...
>> > > > >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> > > > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> > > > >Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
>> > > > >Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:35:33 +0100
>> > > > >
>> > > > >KD,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > I wonder, would there be any interest/market for a remake
>> > > > > > of a set of simmons drums, either as a DIY kit or as ready
>> > > > > > made?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Aside from the copyright issues, I'm sure people would go for
>>it,
>> > >if it
>> > > > >sounded
>> > > > >good.
>> > > > >The biggest problem is going to be cost.
>> > > > >If you're talking just the drum brain, then it'd have to be
>>less
>> > >than \ufffd250
>> > > > >to
>> > > > >compete with the stuff that goes on e-bay. and that's going to
>>be
>> > >the
>> > > > >hardest
>> > > > >part..
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Paul
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>From: <jesper@...>
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:52:57 +0200
>
>That's fine with me - like att synth bands just touring with a laptop. It
>looks crap and sounds crap but since you've heard the songs before...
>
>I think they spell it Kraftwerk! >;)
>
>electronically yours, jesper - in a vicious mood
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nate Stewart" <nateworld@...>
>To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 7:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
>
>
> > You don't want to listen to me...  I'm also using a Pearl Drum-X which
> > sounds more Simmons than Simmons to my ears.  :-)
> >
> > I'm not saying that the soft synth is perfect, but it's close enough for
> > rock and roll, and that coupled with the lack of upkeep and space 
>savings
> > are a winning combination for me.  It meets my needs.  Certainly hearing 
>a
> > real Simmons was eye opening because it is a much more complex sound 
>than
> > you ever hear on record, but in a mix, most of that disappears and you 
>are
> > left with the characteristic "Simmons sound."
> >
> > Nate
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: <jesper@...>
> >>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >>To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
> >>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:23:49 +0200
> >>
> >>I'd like a whole weekend to test soft synths that emulates stuff I do
> >>own...
> >>Would be cool to hear if I (haven't heard anyone else yet) could copy 
>the
> >>original sound I love my machines for...
> >>
> >>electronically yours, jesper
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> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
> >>To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
> >>Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:48 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
> >>
> >>
> >>Well Nate, if you say so ...
> >>
> >>It depends what sound you're expecting from your SImmons...
> >>if you're talking about peeeeooowwww, yes a lot of things can do
> >>that !
> >>I guess it's the Simmons sounds I hate the most !
> >>but for beefy tribal sounds I didn't find it anywhere else ...I have
> >>tryed the Waldorf Attack....... & never opened it since then...
> >>
> >>But If a virtual synth in a laptop can do what I expect from my
> >>SImmons units ; believe me I 'll be the first to purchase it !!!
> >>I'm not a fan of units all over the studio !
> >>
> >>Heresy or not , just a personal opinion , virtual synths are far
> >>from  Simmons , like Atmosphere is imitating the Fairlight type of
> >>sound in a great & an easier way ........to the point you're lucky
> >>enough to hear a real one ... & you're suddenly in another
> >>universe ...
> >>Which isn't a good thing really , a Fairlight is still a  lot more
> >>expensive than Atmosphere ...Unfortunetaly ...
> >>
> >>As I said before maybe one day  ...
> >>
> >>  Take care of you SDS9, it's a nice unit ,
> >>Cheers ,
> >>Patrice.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Stewart" <nateworld@h...>
> >>wrote:
> >> > I've had it for quite some time, and it sounds pretty good.  To
> >>those who
> >> > cry heresy, I am triggering it using an SDS-9 as my MIDI
> >>interface.  ;-)
> >> >
> >> > Nate
> >> >
> >> > >From: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@w...>
> >> > >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >> > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >> > >Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
> >> > >Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:58:57 -0000
> >> > >
> >> > >Hi Nate ,
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Are you sure ?
> >> > >a virtual synth to compete with the organic one ?
> >> > >For the moment , I'm afraid it's just a fantasy... an
> >> > >approximation ...
> >> > >maybe one day ...when we'll all have a 384HZ sound card ...
> >> > >
> >> > >bye,
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Stewart"
> >><nateworld@h...>
> >> > >wrote:
> >> > > > Just track down the VST version of Waldorf Attack.  A modeled
> >>SDS-V
> >> > >is one
> >> > > > of the presets, and you can alter the sounds to your heart's
> >> > >content.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Nate
> >> > > >
> >> > > > >From: Paul.Maddox.Mail-list@S...
> >> > > > >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >> > > > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >> > > > >Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
> >> > > > >Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:35:33 +0100
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >KD,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > I wonder, would there be any interest/market for a remake
> >> > > > > > of a set of simmons drums, either as a DIY kit or as ready
> >> > > > > > made?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >Aside from the copyright issues, I'm sure people would go for
> >>it,
> >> > >if it
> >> > > > >sounded
> >> > > > >good.
> >> > > > >The biggest problem is going to be cost.
> >> > > > >If you're talking just the drum brain, then it'd have to be
> >>less
> >> > >than \ufffd250
> >> > > > >to
> >> > > > >compete with the stuff that goes on e-bay. and that's going to
> >>be
> >> > >the
> >> > > > >hardest
> >> > > > >part..
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >Paul
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From: "Nate Stewart" <nateworld@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!


> bad gig last night or too much espresso today?  ;-)
>
> nate
>
>
>>From: <jesper@...>
>>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>>To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
>>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:52:57 +0200
>>
>>That's fine with me - like att synth bands just touring with a laptop. It
>>looks crap and sounds crap but since you've heard the songs before...
>>
>>I think they spell it Kraftwerk! >;)
>>
>>electronically yours, jesper - in a vicious mood
>>- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>>www.electronic-obsession.se
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Nate Stewart" <nateworld@...>
>>To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 7:54 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
>>
>>
>> > You don't want to listen to me...  I'm also using a Pearl Drum-X which
>> > sounds more Simmons than Simmons to my ears.  :-)
>> >
>> > I'm not saying that the soft synth is perfect, but it's close enough 
>> > for
>> > rock and roll, and that coupled with the lack of upkeep and space
>>savings
>> > are a winning combination for me.  It meets my needs.  Certainly 
>> > hearing
>>a
>> > real Simmons was eye opening because it is a much more complex sound
>>than
>> > you ever hear on record, but in a mix, most of that disappears and you
>>are
>> > left with the characteristic "Simmons sound."
>> >
>> > Nate
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: <jesper@...>
>> >>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> >>To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>> >>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
>> >>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:23:49 +0200
>> >>
>> >>I'd like a whole weekend to test soft synths that emulates stuff I do
>> >>own...
>> >>Would be cool to hear if I (haven't heard anyone else yet) could copy
>>the
>> >>original sound I love my machines for...
>> >>
>> >>electronically yours, jesper
>> >>- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>> >>www.electronic-obsession.se
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
>> >>To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>> >>Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:48 AM
>> >>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Well Nate, if you say so ...
>> >>
>> >>It depends what sound you're expecting from your SImmons...
>> >>if you're talking about peeeeooowwww, yes a lot of things can do
>> >>that !
>> >>I guess it's the Simmons sounds I hate the most !
>> >>but for beefy tribal sounds I didn't find it anywhere else ...I have
>> >>tryed the Waldorf Attack....... & never opened it since then...
>> >>
>> >>But If a virtual synth in a laptop can do what I expect from my
>> >>SImmons units ; believe me I 'll be the first to purchase it !!!
>> >>I'm not a fan of units all over the studio !
>> >>
>> >>Heresy or not , just a personal opinion , virtual synths are far
>> >>from  Simmons , like Atmosphere is imitating the Fairlight type of
>> >>sound in a great & an easier way ........to the point you're lucky
>> >>enough to hear a real one ... & you're suddenly in another
>> >>universe ...
>> >>Which isn't a good thing really , a Fairlight is still a  lot more
>> >>expensive than Atmosphere ...Unfortunetaly ...
>> >>
>> >>As I said before maybe one day  ...
>> >>
>> >>  Take care of you SDS9, it's a nice unit ,
>> >>Cheers ,
>> >>Patrice.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Stewart" <nateworld@h...>
>> >>wrote:
>> >> > I've had it for quite some time, and it sounds pretty good.  To
>> >>those who
>> >> > cry heresy, I am triggering it using an SDS-9 as my MIDI
>> >>interface.  ;-)
>> >> >
>> >> > Nate
>> >> >
>> >> > >From: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@w...>
>> >> > >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> >> > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> >> > >Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
>> >> > >Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:58:57 -0000
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Hi Nate ,
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Are you sure ?
>> >> > >a virtual synth to compete with the organic one ?
>> >> > >For the moment , I'm afraid it's just a fantasy... an
>> >> > >approximation ...
>> >> > >maybe one day ...when we'll all have a 384HZ sound card ...
>> >> > >
>> >> > >bye,
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Stewart"
>> >><nateworld@h...>
>> >> > >wrote:
>> >> > > > Just track down the VST version of Waldorf Attack.  A modeled
>> >>SDS-V
>> >> > >is one
>> >> > > > of the presets, and you can alter the sounds to your heart's
>> >> > >content.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Nate
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > >From: Paul.Maddox.Mail-list@S...
>> >> > > > >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> >> > > > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> >> > > > >Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
>> >> > > > >Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:35:33 +0100
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >KD,
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > I wonder, would there be any interest/market for a remake
>> >> > > > > > of a set of simmons drums, either as a DIY kit or as ready
>> >> > > > > > made?
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >Aside from the copyright issues, I'm sure people would go for
>> >>it,
>> >> > >if it
>> >> > > > >sounded
>> >> > > > >good.
>> >> > > > >The biggest problem is going to be cost.
>> >> > > > >If you're talking just the drum brain, then it'd have to be
>> >>less
>> >> > >than \ufffd250
>> >> > > > >to
>> >> > > > >compete with the stuff that goes on e-bay. and that's going to
>> >>be
>> >> > >the
>> >> > > > >hardest
>> >> > > > >part..
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >Paul
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nate Stewart" <nateworld@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!


> You don't want to listen to me...  I'm also using a Pearl Drum-X which
> sounds more Simmons than Simmons to my ears.  :-)
>
> I'm not saying that the soft synth is perfect, but it's close enough for
> rock and roll, and that coupled with the lack of upkeep and space savings
> are a winning combination for me.  It meets my needs.  Certainly hearing a
> real Simmons was eye opening because it is a much more complex sound than
> you ever hear on record, but in a mix, most of that disappears and you are
> left with the characteristic "Simmons sound."
>
> Nate
>
>
>
>>From: <jesper@electronic-obsession.se>
>>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>>To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
>>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:23:49 +0200
>>
>>I'd like a whole weekend to test soft synths that emulates stuff I do
>>own...
>>Would be cool to hear if I (haven't heard anyone else yet) could copy the
>>original sound I love my machines for...
>>
>>electronically yours, jesper
>>- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>>www.electronic-obsession.se
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
>>To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:48 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
>>
>>
>>Well Nate, if you say so ...
>>
>>It depends what sound you're expecting from your SImmons...
>>if you're talking about peeeeooowwww, yes a lot of things can do
>>that !
>>I guess it's the Simmons sounds I hate the most !
>>but for beefy tribal sounds I didn't find it anywhere else ...I have
>>tryed the Waldorf Attack....... & never opened it since then...
>>
>>But If a virtual synth in a laptop can do what I expect from my
>>SImmons units ; believe me I 'll be the first to purchase it !!!
>>I'm not a fan of units all over the studio !
>>
>>Heresy or not , just a personal opinion , virtual synths are far
>>from  Simmons , like Atmosphere is imitating the Fairlight type of
>>sound in a great & an easier way ........to the point you're lucky
>>enough to hear a real one ... & you're suddenly in another
>>universe ...
>>Which isn't a good thing really , a Fairlight is still a  lot more
>>expensive than Atmosphere ...Unfortunetaly ...
>>
>>As I said before maybe one day  ...
>>
>>  Take care of you SDS9, it's a nice unit ,
>>Cheers ,
>>Patrice.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Stewart" <nateworld@h...>
>>wrote:
>> > I've had it for quite some time, and it sounds pretty good.  To
>>those who
>> > cry heresy, I am triggering it using an SDS-9 as my MIDI
>>interface.  ;-)
>> >
>> > Nate
>> >
>> > >From: "angeyoda" <Jacquot.Patrice@w...>
>> > >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> > >Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
>> > >Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:58:57 -0000
>> > >
>> > >Hi Nate ,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Are you sure ?
>> > >a virtual synth to compete with the organic one ?
>> > >For the moment , I'm afraid it's just a fantasy... an
>> > >approximation ...
>> > >maybe one day ...when we'll all have a 384HZ sound card ...
>> > >
>> > >bye,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Stewart"
>><nateworld@h...>
>> > >wrote:
>> > > > Just track down the VST version of Waldorf Attack.  A modeled
>>SDS-V
>> > >is one
>> > > > of the presets, and you can alter the sounds to your heart's
>> > >content.
>> > > >
>> > > > Nate
>> > > >
>> > > > >From: Paul.Maddox.Mail-list@S...
>> > > > >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> > > > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> > > > >Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Remake of famus simmons!
>> > > > >Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:35:33 +0100
>> > > > >
>> > > > >KD,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > I wonder, would there be any interest/market for a remake
>> > > > > > of a set of simmons drums, either as a DIY kit or as ready
>> > > > > > made?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Aside from the copyright issues, I'm sure people would go for
>>it,
>> > >if it
>> > > > >sounded
>> > > > >good.
>> > > > >The biggest problem is going to be cost.
>> > > > >If you're talking just the drum brain, then it'd have to be
>>less
>> > >than £250
>> > > > >to
>> > > > >compete with the stuff that goes on e-bay. and that's going to
>>be
>> > >the
>> > > > >hardest
>> > > > >part..
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Paul
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