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the search for The Best Simmons Triggers?

2005-06-09 by ultraharmonizer

hi,
i was curious if any of u could help me with a few questions regarding simmons triggers.

1.  which models started using the rubber heads that are more comfortable to play?  are 
the heads replaceable?

2.  why do some seem to have xlr outputs and others 1/4"?  are the ones with xlr better 
made in any way?

3.  do the colors of Simmons drums have anything to do with the model numbers or were 
all models different colors?

4.  do ZI(zone intelligent) triggers only work with the sdx brain?  what kind of outputs do 
they have?

5.  can u use DW kick pedals with Simmons Kick pads?

6.  do simmons triggers work well with the alesis D5?

thanx so much for takin the time to answer these questions!!!
;P
Nick

Re: the search for The Best Simmons Triggers?

2005-06-10 by flybot2000

> 1.  which models started using the rubber heads that are more
> comfortable to play?  are the heads replaceable?

The SDS-7 came with the new rubber heads and XLR connectors, like the
SDS-V. I've had some SDS-7 pads since 1986 and never wore them out,
but I take care of my stuff pretty well. Based on how the pads are
built, you could replace the covering material yourself if found a
suitable replacement. Best would be find more pads.

> 2.  why do some seem to have xlr outputs and others 1/4"?  
> are the ones with xlr better-made in any way?

Simmons later issued 1/4" plugs on the pads for the SDS-9 and all
those other models. Don't know if there was a big reason other than
the cables were cheaper.

> 3.  do the colors of Simmons drums have anything to do with 
> the model numbers or were all models different colors?

Ya got me on this one. I remember black, white, yellow, blue, red. I
had black pads with my SDS-7 and a second set of white shells. My SDX
has white shells (all SDXs did, until Bill Bruford put yellow shells
on his in 1995).
 
> 4.  do ZI(zone intelligent) triggers only work with the sdx 
> brain?  what kind of outputs do they have?

Sadly, the ZI pads work only with the SDX and nothing else. They don't
have Piezo sensors, but use a force-sensitive resistor sheet, similar
to the technology for touch screens. The company that made the FSR
sheets no longer has the templates, everything was returned to Simmons
long ago. Extras were eventually consigned to landfill. Sad.
 
> 5.  can u use DW kick pedals with Simmons Kick pads?

Sure, you can whack 'em with pretty much anything.

> 6.  do simmons triggers work well with the alesis D5?

I've used the XLR Simmons pads with 1/4" adapters into an Alesis D4
and never had any problems, but they weren't as sensitive as with the
SDS-7 brain. The Alesis DM5 should work as well, maybe better.

> thanx so much for takin the time to answer these questions!!!

Laying around recuperating from surgery gives me plenty of time, Nick.

Re: the search for The Best Simmons Triggers?

2005-06-10 by ultraharmonizer

hey Jym,
thanx so much for sharin ur knowledge with us!  I can't tell ya how much it helps!    hope 
your recovery is going well!
all the best,
Nick


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> > 1.  which models started using the rubber heads that are more
> > comfortable to play?  are the heads replaceable?
> 
> The SDS-7 came with the new rubber heads and XLR connectors, like the
> SDS-V. I've had some SDS-7 pads since 1986 and never wore them out,
> but I take care of my stuff pretty well. Based on how the pads are
> built, you could replace the covering material yourself if found a
> suitable replacement. Best would be find more pads.
> 
> > 2.  why do some seem to have xlr outputs and others 1/4"?  
> > are the ones with xlr better-made in any way?
> 
> Simmons later issued 1/4" plugs on the pads for the SDS-9 and all
> those other models. Don't know if there was a big reason other than
> the cables were cheaper.
> 
> > 3.  do the colors of Simmons drums have anything to do with 
> > the model numbers or were all models different colors?
> 
> Ya got me on this one. I remember black, white, yellow, blue, red. I
> had black pads with my SDS-7 and a second set of white shells. My SDX
> has white shells (all SDXs did, until Bill Bruford put yellow shells
> on his in 1995).
>  
> > 4.  do ZI(zone intelligent) triggers only work with the sdx 
> > brain?  what kind of outputs do they have?
> 
> Sadly, the ZI pads work only with the SDX and nothing else. They don't
> have Piezo sensors, but use a force-sensitive resistor sheet, similar
> to the technology for touch screens. The company that made the FSR
> sheets no longer has the templates, everything was returned to Simmons
> long ago. Extras were eventually consigned to landfill. Sad.
>  
> > 5.  can u use DW kick pedals with Simmons Kick pads?
> 
> Sure, you can whack 'em with pretty much anything.
> 
> > 6.  do simmons triggers work well with the alesis D5?
> 
> I've used the XLR Simmons pads with 1/4" adapters into an Alesis D4
> and never had any problems, but they weren't as sensitive as with the
> SDS-7 brain. The Alesis DM5 should work as well, maybe better.
> 
> > thanx so much for takin the time to answer these questions!!!
> 
> Laying around recuperating from surgery gives me plenty of time, Nick.

Re: the search for The Best Simmons Triggers?

2005-06-10 by superwolle70

By the way: Does anybody know with which brain(-s) the Hexahead pads
have been delivered with or were they some kind of stand alone products?

Just some extra infos added to Jym's answer
> 1.  which models started using the rubber heads that are more
comfortable to play?  are 
> the heads replaceable?
The first of two generations of rubber pads was introduced with the
SDS7 in 1984. These pads featured non flexible rubber heads, XLR plugs
and the screws on the shell side, custom colors available like blue
burst (the one on Ebay last week was far to cheap :-( )
http://195.37.239.143:6663/Simmons_sds7_set.jpg
The second generation came with the SDS9/1000/2000/200/400/800/MTX9,
featured 1/4" plugs for those series, "swimming heads", changable
backside shells, attachement screw inside the rubber head. These pads
were part of the SDS7 also from that time on (I guess 1986), the only
difference where the XLR plugs instead of jacks. Available colors were
the standard colors you already mentioned.
Pictures:
http://195.37.239.143:6663/Simmons_MTX9_1.jpg
http://195.37.239.143:6663/Simmons_MTX9_2.jpg 


> 
> 2.  why do some seem to have xlr outputs and others 1/4"?  are the
ones with xlr better 
> made in any way?
As already mentioned: The XLR pads have been delivered exclusively
with the SDS7 which has always featured XLR plugs on the brain side
also. Technically (talking about the second rubber headed generation)
they are identical

> 
> 3.  do the colors of Simmons drums have anything to do with the
model numbers or were 
> all models different colors?
no

> 
> 4.  do ZI(zone intelligent) triggers only work with the sdx brain? 
what kind of outputs do 
> they have?
stereo 1/4" jack for toms and some kind of 4 pin XLR for dual trigger
snare pad

> 
> 5.  can u use DW kick pedals with Simmons Kick pads?
No, they only take British Premier pedals (harhar, joking..., my Tama
pedal works also)