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Re: [Simmons Drums] New member post

2005-04-26 by Michal Kirmuc

Hello,
 
About Genesis, I'll think that may be SDS7. I know that Phil was a user of SDSV & SDS7.
 
Michal Kirmuc

guybrush03 <yahoo@...> wrote:

Howdy from Austin, TX USA!

Just joined the group and finished browsing the archives.  Somehow
with all the google'ing I've done on Simmons drums, I never found this
group until just now.

I'm a organ/piano/synth player, but I've got a sense of rhythm and can
imitate well enough to justify buying a little drum gear.  So far I've
landed a 5 piece SDS9 set in red and the usual 5-module SDSV.  I
wouldn't mind getting another SDSV for more modules and/or parts.  As
far as other gear, I've got most of the rooms here stuffed with combo
organs, synths, electric pianos, spinet organs, etc.  As far as drum
machines, I use a Roland CR-78 and a Linndrum.

Anyway, two questions to start off with here:

1)  What brain was used on "Invisible Touch" (the song, not the
album)?  I want to say SDSV, but I can't seem to get the settings just
right yet

2)  Anyone able to scan/upload SDSV manual and/or schematics?  I
actually bought some for $15 from schematicconnection.com .. but the
guy is apparently having hip surgery and the order has been delayed by
over a month (torture!!)

Talk to you all soon ..

guybrush





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Re: [Simmons Drums] New member post

2005-04-26 by Patrice JACQUOT

HI & welcome guybrush !

What I can hear from the Single "Invisible Touch" is definitely an SDS7 !
it sounds more dry than an SDSV ...
& maybe the SDSV for the white noise ...

On the "wembley"  gig from 86, if you have some good eyes,  you can see two SDS7's brains on stage + one SDSV with pads (close to Phil's Grestch acoustic drums...)

The drummer is trigging an SDS7 from the acoustc drums (probably via an MTM ), & Phil is have an SDS7 & pads close to Tony Banks keyboards set.

sorry never heard the SDS9 with Phil's Colins( from what I know ....)  , but the 9 can sound close to the V sometimes.... so ...

Domino is a mixing of SDS7 ( reverse cymbals ) & SDSV (tomtom fill & some, symbals too)...

Get the Wembley DVD it becomes clear !
Bye,
Patrice..
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  Howdy from Austin, TX USA!

  Just joined the group and finished browsing the archives.  Somehow
  with all the google'ing I've done on Simmons drums, I never found this
  group until just now.

  I'm a organ/piano/synth player, but I've got a sense of rhythm and can
  imitate well enough to justify buying a little drum gear.  So far I've
  landed a 5 piece SDS9 set in red and the usual 5-module SDSV.  I
  wouldn't mind getting another SDSV for more modules and/or parts.  As
  far as other gear, I've got most of the rooms here stuffed with combo
  organs, synths, electric pianos, spinet organs, etc.  As far as drum
  machines, I use a Roland CR-78 and a Linndrum.

  Anyway, two questions to start off with here:

  1)  What brain was used on "Invisible Touch" (the song, not the
  album)?  I want to say SDSV, but I can't seem to get the settings just
  right yet

  2)  Anyone able to scan/upload SDSV manual and/or schematics?  I
  actually bought some for $15 from schematicconnection.com .. but the
  guy is apparently having hip surgery and the order has been delayed by
  over a month (torture!!)

  Talk to you all soon ..

  guybrush





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Re: [Simmons Drums] New member post

2005-04-26 by superwolle70

at least I think I remember Phil Collins posing in an SDS9 add ;-)

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Patrice JACQUOT"
<Jacquot.Patrice@w...> wrote:
> HI & welcome guybrush !
> 
> What I can hear from the Single "Invisible Touch" is definitely an
SDS7 !
> it sounds more dry than an SDSV ...
> & maybe the SDSV for the white noise ...
> 
> On the "wembley"  gig from 86, if you have some good eyes,  you can
see two SDS7's brains on stage + one SDSV with pads (close to Phil's
Grestch acoustic drums...)
> 
> The drummer is trigging an SDS7 from the acoustc drums (probably via
an MTM ), & Phil is have an SDS7 & pads close to Tony Banks keyboards set.
> 
> sorry never heard the SDS9 with Phil's Colins( from what I know
....)  , but the 9 can sound close to the V sometimes.... so ...
> 
> Domino is a mixing of SDS7 ( reverse cymbals ) & SDSV (tomtom fill &
some, symbals too)...
> 
> Get the Wembley DVD it becomes clear !
> Bye,
> Patrice..
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: guybrush03 
>   To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:28 AM
>   Subject: [Simmons Drums] New member post
> 
> 
> 
>   Howdy from Austin, TX USA!
> 
>   Just joined the group and finished browsing the archives.  Somehow
>   with all the google'ing I've done on Simmons drums, I never found this
>   group until just now.
> 
>   I'm a organ/piano/synth player, but I've got a sense of rhythm and can
>   imitate well enough to justify buying a little drum gear.  So far I've
>   landed a 5 piece SDS9 set in red and the usual 5-module SDSV.  I
>   wouldn't mind getting another SDSV for more modules and/or parts.  As
>   far as other gear, I've got most of the rooms here stuffed with combo
>   organs, synths, electric pianos, spinet organs, etc.  As far as drum
>   machines, I use a Roland CR-78 and a Linndrum.
> 
>   Anyway, two questions to start off with here:
> 
>   1)  What brain was used on "Invisible Touch" (the song, not the
>   album)?  I want to say SDSV, but I can't seem to get the settings just
>   right yet
> 
>   2)  Anyone able to scan/upload SDSV manual and/or schematics?  I
>   actually bought some for $15 from schematicconnection.com .. but the
>   guy is apparently having hip surgery and the order has been delayed by
>   over a month (torture!!)
> 
>   Talk to you all soon ..
> 
>   guybrush
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Simmons Drums] New member post

2005-04-26 by guybrush03

That's interesting .. I had a feeling I.T. might be SDS-7.  There's
something about the sound that doesn't seem possible to get with the
SDSV.  It just seems a little more complex than what you can get with
the SDSV's relatively basic tools.  But I had also read that he used
both SDSV and SDS-7 on that album.

I actually picked up the Wembley DVD last week.  I haven't looked too
close yet, but I did notice the SDS-7 pads by the keyboards (looks
like a Linndrum stacked by them also).  Looks like Phil's main set was
mostly SDSV pads with a few SDS-7 for triggering other sounds (i.e. it
seemed like he mainly used the SDSVs for the edrum sound).

How likely is it to find an SDS-7 with original EPROMs/samples?  Is it
even likely that you can get the same sound as a record that used the
SDS-7?  Seems like with all the custom EPROMs that were made, you
probably couldn't .. which would take some of the fun out of it for me
(I like buying gear to play along with records I like).  

guybrush

> HI & welcome guybrush !
> 
> What I can hear from the Single "Invisible Touch" is definitely an
SDS7 !
> it sounds more dry than an SDSV ...
> & maybe the SDSV for the white noise ...
> 
> On the "wembley"  gig from 86, if you have some good eyes,  you can
see two SDS7's brains on stage + one SDSV with pads (close to Phil's
Grestch acoustic drums...)
> 
> The drummer is trigging an SDS7 from the acoustc drums (probably via
an MTM ), & Phil is have an SDS7 & pads close to Tony Banks keyboards set.
> 
> sorry never heard the SDS9 with Phil's Colins( from what I know
....)  , but the 9 can sound close to the V sometimes.... so ...
> 
> Domino is a mixing of SDS7 ( reverse cymbals ) & SDSV (tomtom fill &
some, symbals too)...
> 
> Get the Wembley DVD it becomes clear !
> Bye,
> Patrice..
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: guybrush03 
>   To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:28 AM
>   Subject: [Simmons Drums] New member post
> 
> 
> 
>   Howdy from Austin, TX USA!
> 
>   Just joined the group and finished browsing the archives.  Somehow
>   with all the google'ing I've done on Simmons drums, I never found this
>   group until just now.
> 
>   I'm a organ/piano/synth player, but I've got a sense of rhythm and can
>   imitate well enough to justify buying a little drum gear.  So far I've
>   landed a 5 piece SDS9 set in red and the usual 5-module SDSV.  I
>   wouldn't mind getting another SDSV for more modules and/or parts.  As
>   far as other gear, I've got most of the rooms here stuffed with combo
>   organs, synths, electric pianos, spinet organs, etc.  As far as drum
>   machines, I use a Roland CR-78 and a Linndrum.
> 
>   Anyway, two questions to start off with here:
> 
>   1)  What brain was used on "Invisible Touch" (the song, not the
>   album)?  I want to say SDSV, but I can't seem to get the settings just
>   right yet
> 
>   2)  Anyone able to scan/upload SDSV manual and/or schematics?  I
>   actually bought some for $15 from schematicconnection.com .. but the
>   guy is apparently having hip surgery and the order has been delayed by
>   over a month (torture!!)
> 
>   Talk to you all soon ..
> 
>   guybrush
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
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Re: [Simmons Drums] New member post

2005-04-27 by Patrice JACQUOT

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  That's interesting .. I had a feeling I.T. might be SDS-7.  There's
  something about the sound that doesn't seem possible to get with the
  SDSV.  

                             >>>>>> The Eprom & digital part I guess ... & also the analog which is quite different too of the SDSV ...

  It just seems a little more complex than what you can get with
  the SDSV's relatively basic tools.  But I had also read that he used
  both SDSV and SDS-7 on that album.

             >>>>> He did !

  I actually picked up the Wembley DVD last week.  I haven't looked too
  close yet, but I did notice the SDS-7 pads by the keyboards (looks
  like a Linndrum stacked by them also).  Looks like Phil's main set was
  mostly SDSV pads with a few SDS-7 for triggering other sounds (i.e. it
  seemed like he mainly used the SDSVs for the edrum sound).

                          >>>>>>    Yes the SDS7 pads were probably triggering Chester Thomson SDS7 brain ... 

  How likely is it to find an SDS-7 with original EPROMs/samples?  Is it
  even likely that you can get the same sound as a record that used the
  SDS-7?  Seems like with all the custom EPROMs that were made, you
  probably couldn't .. 

                >>>>              Well , most of the SDS7 sounds I could hear were from the basic library (delivered with the machine) .    
                          only a few people took some time to sample via EPB Simmons or Oberheim  ....But yes , the SDS7 parameters 
                          could make it sound very different ...When you think of the mix of the digital & analog part ...
  bye,
   Patrice.

  guybrush

  > HI & welcome guybrush !
  > 
  > What I can hear from the Single "Invisible Touch" is definitely an
  SDS7 !
  > it sounds more dry than an SDSV ...
  > & maybe the SDSV for the white noise ...
  > 
  > On the "wembley"  gig from 86, if you have some good eyes,  you can
  see two SDS7's brains on stage + one SDSV with pads (close to Phil's
  Grestch acoustic drums...)
  > 
  > The drummer is trigging an SDS7 from the acoustc drums (probably via
  an MTM ), & Phil is have an SDS7 & pads close to Tony Banks keyboards set.
  > 
  > sorry never heard the SDS9 with Phil's Colins( from what I know
  ....)  , but the 9 can sound close to the V sometimes.... so ...
  > 
  > Domino is a mixing of SDS7 ( reverse cymbals ) & SDSV (tomtom fill &
  some, symbals too)...
  > 
  > Get the Wembley DVD it becomes clear !
  > Bye,
  > Patrice..
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: guybrush03 
  >   To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com 
  >   Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:28 AM
  >   Subject: [Simmons Drums] New member post
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >   Howdy from Austin, TX USA!
  > 
  >   Just joined the group and finished browsing the archives.  Somehow
  >   with all the google'ing I've done on Simmons drums, I never found this
  >   group until just now.
  > 
  >   I'm a organ/piano/synth player, but I've got a sense of rhythm and can
  >   imitate well enough to justify buying a little drum gear.  So far I've
  >   landed a 5 piece SDS9 set in red and the usual 5-module SDSV.  I
  >   wouldn't mind getting another SDSV for more modules and/or parts.  As
  >   far as other gear, I've got most of the rooms here stuffed with combo
  >   organs, synths, electric pianos, spinet organs, etc.  As far as drum
  >   machines, I use a Roland CR-78 and a Linndrum.
  > 
  >   Anyway, two questions to start off with here:
  > 
  >   1)  What brain was used on "Invisible Touch" (the song, not the
  >   album)?  I want to say SDSV, but I can't seem to get the settings just
  >   right yet
  > 
  >   2)  Anyone able to scan/upload SDSV manual and/or schematics?  I
  >   actually bought some for $15 from schematicconnection.com .. but the
  >   guy is apparently having hip surgery and the order has been delayed by
  >   over a month (torture!!)
  > 
  >   Talk to you all soon ..
  > 
  >   guybrush
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >
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Re: [Simmons Drums] New member post PHIL and GENESIS

2005-07-13 by Mark Kenyon

Hello All,

Being a Big fan of Genesis and Phil's work and having the luck to 
have visited there studios apon invite I'll tell you what I know.

The Simmons stuff used by the Keyboards during the IT tour was only 
used for the song TONIGHT,TONIGHT,TONIGHT judging from the sounds 
produced it sounds like the MTX 9, and if you have the DVD the tour 
programme is on there and it gives you some idea as to what they 
used although its not fully acurate.

There is also a Genesis Videos DVD out now, and in that you can see 
the Simmons stuff being used on, Home By the Sea, Invisible Touch, 
and Tonight Tonight Tonight.

On the 1992 tour Phil was just using his Simmons equipment to 
trigger sounds as he openly admits on his own website.

Genesis have an official website at, www.genesis-music.com and Phil 
at www.philcollins.co.uk I must add that Phil does reply to 
questions on there quite a bit.

Phil went on to own the Simmons SDX, Genesis and Phil had an EBAY 
auction in 2001 and they sold some of the spares, Alot of Phil's 
spare Simmons stuff went for sale then. Although his personal 
assistant assures me and also the Guy who bought alot of Phil's 
alledged Simmons stuff that, Phil's simmons gear is with Phil in 
Geneva.

There was a nice Photo of Phil at the helm of an Simmons SDVS on the 
net sadly due to a reformat its lot from my pc taken around about 
1984.....

There is also the MAMA tour video out there which shows Phil with a 
Simmons kit, this has yet to be remastered and put on to DVD.

I do hope this helps some of you.

Also on the IT tour DVD, watch out for " The Brazillian " Simmons 
used alot on that song.


Mark K



--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "guybrush03" <yahoo@d...> 
wrote:
> 
> That's interesting .. I had a feeling I.T. might be SDS-7.  There's
> something about the sound that doesn't seem possible to get with 
the
> SDSV.  It just seems a little more complex than what you can get 
with
> the SDSV's relatively basic tools.  But I had also read that he 
used
> both SDSV and SDS-7 on that album.
> 
> I actually picked up the Wembley DVD last week.  I haven't looked 
too
> close yet, but I did notice the SDS-7 pads by the keyboards (looks
> like a Linndrum stacked by them also).  Looks like Phil's main set 
was
> mostly SDSV pads with a few SDS-7 for triggering other sounds 
(i.e. it
> seemed like he mainly used the SDSVs for the edrum sound).
> 
> How likely is it to find an SDS-7 with original EPROMs/samples?  
Is it
> even likely that you can get the same sound as a record that used 
the
> SDS-7?  Seems like with all the custom EPROMs that were made, you
> probably couldn't .. which would take some of the fun out of it 
for me
> (I like buying gear to play along with records I like).  
> 
> guybrush
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Re: [Simmons Drums] New member post PHIL and GENESIS

2005-07-13 by Mark Kenyon

Hi,

Perhaps I was a bit quick looking at the DVD this morning, there seems 
to be some confusion.

By Tony Banks's Keyboards there is,

Three Simmons pads, a Simmons brain believed to be MTX 9, a Linn Drum 
machine and a Roland Drum Machine.....Perhaps a 909 ?

I have uploaded some photos to help you all, I shall try looking for 
better photos.

Hope this helps

Mark K

Re: [Simmons Drums] New member post PHIL and GENESIS

2005-07-13 by Patrice JACQUOT

Hi , 
if you're talking about the "1986 " Wembley DVD, the Simmons module you see is a 3 Units rack & it's an SDS7...
I suspect Phil to share the unit either with his own kit to complete the SDSV kit or with Chester Thompson who is triggering some SDS7 sounds too...
The MTX9 is a 1 Urack & the sound isn't very interesting ...

hope this helps, 
Patrice.
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  Hi,

  Perhaps I was a bit quick looking at the DVD this morning, there seems 
  to be some confusion.

  By Tony Banks's Keyboards there is,

  Three Simmons pads, a Simmons brain believed to be MTX 9, a Linn Drum 
  machine and a Roland Drum Machine.....Perhaps a 909 ?

  I have uploaded some photos to help you all, I shall try looking for 
  better photos.

  Hope this helps

  Mark K




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Re: [Simmons Drums] New member post PHIL and GENESIS

2005-07-13 by Mark Kenyon

Just a few points,

The Invisible touch tour dvd was filmed from 1,2,3,4 July 1987 at 
Wembley Stadium.

The Anything She Does and Invisible Touch video was filmed in 1986

The Home By the Sea video was from an American special filmed in 1984.

I hope this helps you when trying to identify some of the stuff.

Mark K