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the grey cymbals are part of the sdx set up and have "zone intelligence" basically you can set a ride to have bell and edge middle sticling and depending on location it will play and mix the sounds
of coruse it does not need to be a cymbal sample the also swing on the stands as would a normal cymbal and that helps to break up the rather monotonal cymbal strikes you might get
if you've played the rolands you'll get the idea
the hexapyramidals they were rare then and more so now 
i've seen two on ebay in the past year 
basically i belive it's a two channel trigger bell and rim and was in the sds v era so nice and hard on the hands
the ones i've seen were white or black and sold for around £50 each



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OK, now. Few are qualified to answer this riddle. I've left all the SDS-III 
queries to Jesper because he knows the most about them. My turn.... 
    The original Simmons cymbal "pad" was made of some super dense injection 
molded polystyrene. What a clangorous pad it is! If you thought the 
clickity-click of the "V" pads was annoying......... Anyway, the cymbal is somewhat of 
an oblong hexagon running 13.5 inches from front to back (viewed from the 
played position as it is hung on a stand) and 11.5 inches from left to right. As 
for triggering, there are in fact two piezos wired to the same XLR connector. 
The pad is basically three pieces of plastic screwed together. The first piezo 
is hot-glued to the camber or first piece beneath the bell assembly. This gives 
you the basic cymbal sound that some of us who own the cymbal module have 
come to know. The second piezo is hot-glued to the bell assembly, under the dome 
and appears to have additional electronic components wired and glued in place 
on top of the positive element. I believe this is a capacitor but don't quote 
me. I can't make out what it is without cutting into the glue. The reason I 
think it's a capacitor is because when you play the bell the attack of the 
cymbal sound becomes sharper and more aggressive and has more of a ping to it. Like 
the bell of a real cymbal. As real as they could get with an 8 bit sample 
recorded onto a 32k EPROM in 1981. Now this effect is achievable when you whack a 
regular hard top SDS-V pad and you have the sensitivity cranked but the 
cymbal pad allows more natural dynamics and more realistic playing. It's rather 
simple in design but a remarkable tribute to the genius of Dave Simmons and his 
design team. And lastly, I believe they were only made in white. But again, 
don't quote me. I vaguely remember seeing one in yellow when I was a kid but that 
could be selective memory.
    How do I know all this? I own four, dead mint, three of which were never 
played with a drumstick, factory stock, in the original boxes and plastic 
bags. The XLR cables haven't even been untied.


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great info...wow

now if only you might sell one of those cymbals...
did you buy them brand new back then? do they work with the sds5 
brain?

mike


--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, sovereigng@a... wrote:
>   OK, now. Few are qualified to answer this riddle. I've left all 
the SDS-III 
> queries to Jesper because he knows the most about them. My 
turn.... 
>     The original Simmons cymbal "pad" was made of some super dense 
injection 
> molded polystyrene. What a clangorous pad it is! If you thought 
the 
> clickity-click of the "V" pads was annoying......... Anyway, the 
cymbal is somewhat of 
> an oblong hexagon running 13.5 inches from front to back (viewed 
from the 
> played position as it is hung on a stand) and 11.5 inches from 
left to right. As 
> for triggering, there are in fact two piezos wired to the same XLR 
connector. 
> The pad is basically three pieces of plastic screwed together. The 
first piezo 
> is hot-glued to the camber or first piece beneath the bell 
assembly. This gives 
> you the basic cymbal sound that some of us who own the cymbal 
module have 
> come to know. The second piezo is hot-glued to the bell assembly, 
under the dome 
> and appears to have additional electronic components wired and 
glued in place 
> on top of the positive element. I believe this is a capacitor but 
don't quote 
> me. I can't make out what it is without cutting into the glue. The 
reason I 
> think it's a capacitor is because when you play the bell the 
attack of the 
> cymbal sound becomes sharper and more aggressive and has more of a 
ping to it. Like 
> the bell of a real cymbal. As real as they could get with an 8 bit 
sample 
> recorded onto a 32k EPROM in 1981. Now this effect is achievable 
when you whack a 
> regular hard top SDS-V pad and you have the sensitivity cranked 
but the 
> cymbal pad allows more natural dynamics and more realistic 
playing. It's rather 
> simple in design but a remarkable tribute to the genius of Dave 
Simmons and his 
> design team. And lastly, I believe they were only made in white. 
But again, 
> don't quote me. I vaguely remember seeing one in yellow when I was 
a kid but that 
> could be selective memory.
>     How do I know all this? I own four, dead mint, three of which 
were never 
> played with a drumstick, factory stock, in the original boxes and 
plastic 

> bags. The XLR cables haven't even been untied.
> 
> 
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I would love to get my hands on one..even a used one is good shape...ready to part with one

sovereigng@... wrote:  OK, now. Few are qualified to answer this riddle. I've left all the SDS-III 
queries to Jesper because he knows the most about them. My turn.... 
    The original Simmons cymbal "pad" was made of some super dense injection 
molded polystyrene. What a clangorous pad it is! If you thought the 
clickity-click of the "V" pads was annoying......... Anyway, the cymbal is somewhat of 
an oblong hexagon running 13.5 inches from front to back (viewed from the 
played position as it is hung on a stand) and 11.5 inches from left to right. As 
for triggering, there are in fact two piezos wired to the same XLR connector. 
The pad is basically three pieces of plastic screwed together. The first piezo 
is hot-glued to the camber or first piece beneath the bell assembly. This gives 
you the basic cymbal sound that some of us who own the cymbal module have 
come to know. The second piezo is hot-glued to the bell assembly, under the dome 
and appears to have additional electronic components wired and glued in place 
on top of the positive element. I believe this is a capacitor but don't quote 
me. I can't make out what it is without cutting into the glue. The reason I 
think it's a capacitor is because when you play the bell the attack of the 
cymbal sound becomes sharper and more aggressive and has more of a ping to it. Like 
the bell of a real cymbal. As real as they could get with an 8 bit sample 
recorded onto a 32k EPROM in 1981. Now this effect is achievable when you whack a 
regular hard top SDS-V pad and you have the sensitivity cranked but the 
cymbal pad allows more natural dynamics and more realistic playing. It's rather 
simple in design but a remarkable tribute to the genius of Dave Simmons and his 
design team. And lastly, I believe they were only made in white. But again, 
don't quote me. I vaguely remember seeing one in yellow when I was a kid but that 
could be selective memory.
    How do I know all this? I own four, dead mint, three of which were never 
played with a drumstick, factory stock, in the original boxes and plastic 
bags. The XLR cables haven't even been untied.


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They work seemlessly with the SDS-V. Funny, but I never tried them w/ the 
"7". I suppose they're cross compatible like the hi-hat pedal.


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--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, sovereigng@a... wrote:
>   The original Simmons cymbal "pad" was made of some super dense 
injection 
> molded polystyrene. What a clangorous pad it is! If you thought the 
> clickity-click of the "V" pads was annoying......... Anyway, the 
cymbal is somewhat of 
> an oblong hexagon running 13.5 inches from front to back (viewed 
from the 
> played position as it is hung on a stand) and 11.5 inches from left 
to right. As 
> for triggering, there are in fact two piezos wired to the same XLR 
connector. 
> The pad is basically three pieces of plastic screwed together. The 
first piezo 
> is hot-glued to the camber or first piece beneath the bell 
assembly. This gives 
> you the basic cymbal sound that some of us who own the cymbal 
module have 
> come to know. The second piezo is hot-glued to the bell assembly, 
under the dome 
> and appears to have additional electronic components wired and 
glued in place 
> on top of the positive element."

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Something like this? http://img231.exs.cx/img231/5026/whatthis3zh.jpg

Looks just like the ones in the photo. But mine are minty mint. Untouched by 
human hands.


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sovereign:
> --- The reason I
> think it's a capacitor is because when you play the bell the attack of the
> cymbal sound becomes sharper and more aggressive and has more of a ping to
it. Like
> the bell of a real cymbal. As real as they could get with an 8 bit sample
> recorded onto a 32k EPROM in 1981. Now this effect is achievable when you
whack a
> regular hard top SDS-V pad and you have the sensitivity cranked but the
> cymbal pad allows more natural dynamics and more realistic playing. It's
rather
> simple in design but a remarkable tribute to the genius of Dave Simmons
and his
> design team. And lastly, I believe they were only made in white. But
again,
> don't quote me. I vaguely remember seeing one in yellow when I was a kid
but that
> could be selective memory.

See Paul, this is why we SDS-V with cymbal cards want the midi2sdsIII to be
able deliver those 7 volts! :)
Adding to this, AFAIK there's a similar feature for the snare giving it a
rim shot effect when hit at full impact with sesitivity cranked high...

>     How do I know all this? I own four, dead mint, three of which were
never
> played with a drumstick, factory stock, in the original boxes and plastic
> bags. The XLR cables haven't even been untied.

People are known to be punished for far lesser crimes! ;)

electronically yours, jesper
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www.electronic-obsession.se

> Something like this? http://img231.exs.cx/img231/5026/whatthis3zh.jpg 

AMEN!

First generation pads, pedal, fully equipped unit etc. Heaven!

electronically yours, jesper
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www.electronic-obsession.se

jesper,

> See Paul, this is why we SDS-V with cymbal cards want the midi2sdsIII to be
> able deliver those 7 volts! :)

:-)
The MIDI2SDSIII will have a user setable range, for both low end (0 - 5v) and
high end (5v - 12v).
And probably a 'sequencer' out connector as an option. so you can just put it
'in-line' between your Midi rig and your Sequencer input, it'll save a lot of
wiring that way :-)

> Adding to this, AFAIK there's a similar feature for the snare giving it a
> rim shot effect when hit at full impact with sesitivity cranked high...

yep, something I've noticed reading through the service documents.
Something I didn't have access to before.

Paul

All,

> > Something like this? http://img231.exs.cx/img231/5026/whatthis3zh.jpg

what kit is this from?

Paul
P.s. I just added a 'misc' page to the simmons.synth.net site.

> what kit is this from?
>
> Paul
> P.s. I just added a 'misc' page to the simmons.synth.net site.

What do you mean? It's an original SDS-V setup with all the cards, extra
cymbal/hihat pads, foot pedal etc - all in white by the look of it...

electronically yours, jesper
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www.electronic-obsession.se

i think he wants to know where the photo came from.



--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, <jesper@e...> wrote:
> > what kit is this from?
> >
> > Paul
> > P.s. I just added a 'misc' page to the simmons.synth.net site.
> 
> What do you mean? It's an original SDS-V setup with all the cards, 
extra
> cymbal/hihat pads, foot pedal etc - all in white by the look of 
it...

> 
> electronically yours, jesper
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se

This one was up on Ebay about 8 months ago. I remember.

By the way: It shows SDSV pads with rubber surfaces, so called MKII
pads. I got two like these a couple of days ago and the rubber surface
was sticking on the original white acrylic surface?? Anyway the rubber
surfaces show the Simmons logo like the newer pads do. So I come to
the conclusion that this rubber surfaces where sold separately? Does
anybody know?

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "mikehock12" <mikehock12@y...>
wrote:

> 
> i think he wants to know where the photo came from.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, <jesper@e...> wrote:
> > > what kit is this from?
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > P.s. I just added a 'misc' page to the simmons.synth.net site.
> > 
> > What do you mean? It's an original SDS-V setup with all the cards, 
> extra
> > cymbal/hihat pads, foot pedal etc - all in white by the look of 
> it...
> > 
> > electronically yours, jesper
> > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> > www.electronic-obsession.se

if its the year Paul ask's for i belive the kit are built in 1980, hi-hat and cymbal modules + footpedal came in 1981, the cymbal/hi-hat pads i dunno, later in 1982 is a wild guess ?
 
/kent

Paul.Maddox.Mail-list@... wrote:
All,

> > Something like this? http://img231.exs.cx/img231/5026/whatthis3zh.jpg

what kit is this from?

Paul
P.s. I just added a 'misc' page to the simmons.synth.net site.





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Jesper,

> What do you mean? It's an original SDS-V setup with all the cards, extra
> cymbal/hihat pads, foot pedal etc - all in white by the look of it...

Thanks, now I know where to put it on the webpage :-)

Paul