SergeModular

> hello List,
>
> Merry Christmas to all of you!
>
> could you please tell me what is a normal price for
> a
> pre sound transform systems Serge panel ?
> without psu of course.
> i know it depends on the modules included in the
> panel, but i am just looking for rough guideline
> prices...
>
> thank you in advance,
> best regards, :-)
> Bakis.
>
>
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected /
> Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> http://www.parallel-worlds-music.com
> http://www.myspace.com/parallelworldsmusic
> http://www.myspace.com/interconnectedmusic
> http://www.myspace.com/memorygeist
> http://www.DiN.org.uk
> http://www.musicamaximamagnetica.com
> http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
> http://www.rubber.gr
> Athens-Greece
>
>
>
>

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>
>

>
> hello,
> come on, no reply about this please?
> a rough price?
> thank you,
> Bakis.
>

> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
> >
> > hello,
> > come on, no reply about this please?
> > a rough price?
> > thank you,
> > Bakis.
> >
> Hi Bakkis
>
> It really is hard to say, but I would suggest
> between $800 ( for say a
> sequencer and mixer or such - like) and $1800 (for
> say VCO's and
> Filters etc)
>
>
>
>

> hello David,
>
> thank you!
> so, at worse, will be around i guess 1800 USD? (if it
> includes WAD, Freq.shifters, vco's, etc...)
>
> Merry Christmas!!
> i am buying two pre-STS serge panels soon...
>
> btw, David, do you use a serge? of what age? how many
> panels, etc? pics?
>
> best regards, :-)
> Bakis.
>
> --- buchla300

>
> hello,
> come on, no reply about this please?
> a rough price?
> thank you,
> Bakis.
>
> --- Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
>
> > hello List,
> >
> > Merry Christmas to all of you!
> >
> > could you please tell me what is a normal price for
> > a
> > pre sound transform systems Serge panel ?
> > without psu of course.
> > i know it depends on the modules included in the
> > panel, but i am just looking for rough guideline
> > prices...
> >
> > thank you in advance,
> > best regards, :-)
> > Bakis.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected /
> > Memory Geist
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > http://www.parallel-worlds-music.com
> > http://www.myspace.com/parallelworldsmusic
> > http://www.myspace.com/interconnectedmusic
> > http://www.myspace.com/memorygeist
> > http://www.DiN.org.uk
> > http://www.musicamaximamagnetica.com
> > http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
> > http://www.rubber.gr
> > Athens-Greece
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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> >
> >
>
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> http://www.parallel-worlds-music.com
> http://www.myspace.com/parallelworldsmusic
> http://www.myspace.com/interconnectedmusic
> http://www.myspace.com/memorygeist
> http://www.DiN.org.uk
> http://www.musicamaximamagnetica.com
> http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
> http://www.rubber.gr
> Athens-Greece
>
>
>

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>

>
>
> it is entirely meaningless to cite prices independant of which
> modules are included.

>
>
> it is entirely meaningless to cite prices independant of which
> modules are included.

> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
> >
> > hello,
> > come on, no reply about this please?
> > a rough price?
> > thank you,
> > Bakis.
> >
> Hi Bakkis
>
> It really is hard to say, but I would suggest between $800 ( for say a
> sequencer and mixer or such - like) and $1800 (for say VCO's and
> Filters etc)
>
>
>
>

>
> no offense but as far as i'm concerned any pre STS panel price should
> be determined by the condition of the face plate and the overall
> condition of the circuit boards at that age you can bet that some
> things are going to have to be replaced all the way down to a full
> re-core. Personally i wouldn't pay over $800 to $1000 for any pre STS
> panel no matter what the condition. but then i don't have to worry
> about that 'cause i'm not in that game anymore. LOL
>
> j duval
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "buchla300" <david.morley@... <mailto:david.morley%40gmx.net>>
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>, Bakis Sirros
> > <synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > hello,
> > > come on, no reply about this please?
> > > a rough price?
> > > thank you,
> > > Bakis.
> > >
> > Hi Bakkis
> >
> > It really is hard to say, but I would suggest between $800 ( for say a
> > sequencer and mixer or such - like) and $1800 (for say VCO's and
> > Filters etc)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, amnesia <amni56@...> wrote:
>
> I have a real early TKB and its got everything the later version has,
> its been inspected inside by Ken and he confirmed it has all the latest
> mods. It works great, you can see here
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kkSx42Xv7g
>
>
>
> darkstr1746@... wrote:
> >
> > no offense but as far as i'm concerned any pre STS panel price should
> > be determined by the condition of the face plate and the overall
> > condition of the circuit boards at that age you can bet that some
> > things are going to have to be replaced all the way down to a full
> > re-core. Personally i wouldn't pay over $800 to $1000 for any pre STS
> > panel no matter what the condition. but then i don't have to worry
> > about that 'cause i'm not in that game anymore. LOL
> >
> > j duval
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "buchla300" <david.morley@... <mailto:david.morley%40gmx.net>>
> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>, Bakis Sirros
> > > <synth_freak_2000@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hello,
> > > > come on, no reply about this please?
> > > > a rough price?
> > > > thank you,
> > > > Bakis.
> > > >
> > > Hi Bakkis
> > >
> > > It really is hard to say, but I would suggest between $800 ( for
say a
> > > sequencer and mixer or such - like) and $1800 (for say VCO's and
> > > Filters etc)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "buchla300" <david.morley@...> wrote:
>
> I stand by my valuations of $800 to $1800 in general
> If we are talking Pre STS then I think over $2000 would need it to be
> full of exceptional modules and this is unlikely although totally
> possible that one panel has JUST rare and expensive modules...

> The comments above are a good guide. Watch the
> newsgroups and ebay for
> a while. As far as the difference of opinion about
> prices for old
> panels, I've seen old panels fetch high prices. The
> main determinant
> seems to be how well the module selection matches
> the desires of the
> buyer, not age. This is a somewhat unique factor in
> the used Serge
> market since you're always dealing in groups of
> modules.
>
> I'm famiiar with STS panels from the Oakland era, as
> well as pre-STS
> panels from 1980/1981 (They were on Haight Street in
> San Francisco
> then), and 1980/1981 panels later rebuilt by STS and
> combined with
> newer circuits. All of it has held up very very well
> and is more alike
> than different. I also have a used panel from about
> 1977 or 1978 which
> has different banana jacks (not the Johnson jacks).
> These old jacks
> are secured by a barbed clip rather than a nut, and
> many of those
> needed to be replaced. The Johnson jacks are
> incredibly durable. If
> you find anything much older than that (panel
> graphics with lots of
> boxes and triangles) I suspect there is more
> variation.
>
> Rex has gradually incorporated some improvements
> into the electronics
> of some modules (AFIK mostly subtle changes and
> cleanups), turned some
> common modifications into standard features,
> transitioned to panel
> graphics on metal and introduced the deeper chassis
> boxes,
> discontinued some modules and created some new ones
> but overall the
> product line has been pretty consistent over time.
> If you are looking
> for certain modules (you mentioned a WAD) that will
> limit the date
> range. I wonder if anybody has a timeline of these
> things?
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "buchla300"
> <david.morley@...> wrote:
> >
> > I stand by my valuations of $800 to $1800 in
> general
> > If we are talking Pre STS then I think over $2000
> would need it to be
> > full of exceptional modules and this is unlikely
> although totally
> > possible that one panel has JUST rare and
> expensive modules...
>
>
>
>

> I stand by my valuations of $800 to $1800 in general
> If we are talking Pre STS then I think over $2000 would need it to be
> full of exceptional modules and this is unlikely although totally
> possible that one panel has JUST rare and expensive modules.
> So for anything more or less within normal realms (I mean you will
> usually have a mixer and some multiples whatever that really aren't
> worth much), a Pre STS panel will be hard to find for over $2.5k
> Having said that (and to answer your question Bakkis, Yes I use a
> serge) my early 6 panel system is available for $12000 if someone
> wants to pay $2k per panel ;-)
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, amnesia <amni56@...> wrote:
> >
> > I have a real early TKB and its got everything the later version has,
> > its been inspected inside by Ken and he confirmed it has all the latest
> > mods. It works great, you can see here
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kkSx42Xv7g
> >
> >
> >
> > darkstr1746@... wrote:
> > >
> > > no offense but as far as i'm concerned any pre STS panel price should
> > > be determined by the condition of the face plate and the overall
> > > condition of the circuit boards at that age you can bet that some
> > > things are going to have to be replaced all the way down to a full
> > > re-core. Personally i wouldn't pay over $800 to $1000 for any pre STS
> > > panel no matter what the condition. but then i don't have to worry
> > > about that 'cause i'm not in that game anymore. LOL
> > >
> > > j duval
> > > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > From: "buchla300" <david.morley@... <mailto:david.morley%40gmx.net>>
> > > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>, Bakis Sirros
> > > > <synth_freak_2000@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > hello,
> > > > > come on, no reply about this please?
> > > > > a rough price?
> > > > > thank you,
> > > > > Bakis.
> > > > >
> > > > Hi Bakkis
> > > >
> > > > It really is hard to say, but I would suggest between $800 ( for
> say a
> > > > sequencer and mixer or such - like) and $1800 (for say VCO's and
> > > > Filters etc)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

>
> hello List,
>
> many thanks to all for the detailed replys!!
>
> best regards, :-)
> Bakis.
>
>
> --- evetsterueb <synth@...> wrote:
>
> > The comments above are a good guide. Watch the
> > newsgroups and ebay for
> > a while. As far as the difference of opinion about
> > prices for old
> > panels, I've seen old panels fetch high prices. The
> > main determinant
> > seems to be how well the module selection matches
> > the desires of the
> > buyer, not age. This is a somewhat unique factor in
> > the used Serge
> > market since you're always dealing in groups of
> > modules.
> >
> > I'm famiiar with STS panels from the Oakland era, as
> > well as pre-STS
> > panels from 1980/1981 (They were on Haight Street in
> > San Francisco
> > then), and 1980/1981 panels later rebuilt by STS and
> > combined with
> > newer circuits. All of it has held up very very well
> > and is more alike
> > than different. I also have a used panel from about
> > 1977 or 1978 which
> > has different banana jacks (not the Johnson jacks).
> > These old jacks
> > are secured by a barbed clip rather than a nut, and
> > many of those
> > needed to be replaced. The Johnson jacks are
> > incredibly durable. If
> > you find anything much older than that (panel
> > graphics with lots of
> > boxes and triangles) I suspect there is more
> > variation.
> >
> > Rex has gradually incorporated some improvements
> > into the electronics
> > of some modules (AFIK mostly subtle changes and
> > cleanups), turned some
> > common modifications into standard features,
> > transitioned to panel
> > graphics on metal and introduced the deeper chassis
> > boxes,
> > discontinued some modules and created some new ones
> > but overall the
> > product line has been pretty consistent over time.
> > If you are looking
> > for certain modules (you mentioned a WAD) that will
> > limit the date
> > range. I wonder if anybody has a timeline of these
> > things?
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "buchla300"
> > <david.morley@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I stand by my valuations of $800 to $1800 in
> > general
> > > If we are talking Pre STS then I think over $2000
> > would need it to be
> > > full of exceptional modules and this is unlikely
> > although totally
> > > possible that one panel has JUST rare and
> > expensive modules...
> >

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, darkstr1746@... wrote:
>
> is this the six panel system that Peter is selling for a "friend"?
If so, yeah, i'd cough up the cash for that one. LOL
> kind regards
> j duval
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "buchla300" <david.morley@...>
> > I stand by my valuations of $800 to $1800 in general
> > If we are talking Pre STS then I think over $2000 would need it to be
> > full of exceptional modules and this is unlikely although totally
> > possible that one panel has JUST rare and expensive modules.
> > So for anything more or less within normal realms (I mean you will
> > usually have a mixer and some multiples whatever that really aren't
> > worth much), a Pre STS panel will be hard to find for over $2.5k
> > Having said that (and to answer your question Bakkis, Yes I use a
> > serge) my early 6 panel system is available for $12000 if someone
> > wants to pay $2k per panel ;-)
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, amnesia <amni56@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a real early TKB and its got everything the later version
has,
> > > its been inspected inside by Ken and he confirmed it has all the
latest
> > > mods. It works great, you can see here
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kkSx42Xv7g
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > darkstr1746@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > no offense but as far as i'm concerned any pre STS panel price
should
> > > > be determined by the condition of the face plate and the overall
> > > > condition of the circuit boards at that age you can bet that some
> > > > things are going to have to be replaced all the way down to a
full
> > > > re-core. Personally i wouldn't pay over $800 to $1000 for any
pre STS
> > > > panel no matter what the condition. but then i don't have to
worry
> > > > about that 'cause i'm not in that game anymore. LOL
> > > >
> > > > j duval
> > > > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > > From: "buchla300" <david.morley@ <mailto:david.morley%40gmx.net>>
> > > > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > > <mailto:SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>, Bakis Sirros
> > > > > <synth_freak_2000@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hello,
> > > > > > come on, no reply about this please?
> > > > > > a rough price?
> > > > > > thank you,
> > > > > > Bakis.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Hi Bakkis
> > > > >
> > > > > It really is hard to say, but I would suggest between $800 ( for
> > say a
> > > > > sequencer and mixer or such - like) and $1800 (for say VCO's and
> > > > > Filters etc)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

> No! This is mine and it's staying here!
> http://tinyurl.com/27jclw
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, darkstr1746@... wrote:
> >
> > is this the six panel system that Peter is selling for a "friend"?
> If so, yeah, i'd cough up the cash for that one. LOL
> > kind regards
> > j duval
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "buchla300" <david.morley@...>
> > > I stand by my valuations of $800 to $1800 in general
> > > If we are talking Pre STS then I think over $2000 would need it to be
> > > full of exceptional modules and this is unlikely although totally
> > > possible that one panel has JUST rare and expensive modules.
> > > So for anything more or less within normal realms (I mean you will
> > > usually have a mixer and some multiples whatever that really aren't
> > > worth much), a Pre STS panel will be hard to find for over $2.5k
> > > Having said that (and to answer your question Bakkis, Yes I use a
> > > serge) my early 6 panel system is available for $12000 if someone
> > > wants to pay $2k per panel ;-)
> > >
> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, amnesia <amni56@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a real early TKB and its got everything the later version
> has,
> > > > its been inspected inside by Ken and he confirmed it has all the
> latest
> > > > mods. It works great, you can see here
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kkSx42Xv7g
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > darkstr1746@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > no offense but as far as i'm concerned any pre STS panel price
> should
> > > > > be determined by the condition of the face plate and the overall
> > > > > condition of the circuit boards at that age you can bet that some
> > > > > things are going to have to be replaced all the way down to a
> full
> > > > > re-core. Personally i wouldn't pay over $800 to $1000 for any
> pre STS
> > > > > panel no matter what the condition. but then i don't have to
> worry
> > > > > about that 'cause i'm not in that game anymore. LOL
> > > > >
> > > > > j duval
> > > > > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > > > From: "buchla300" <david.morley@ <mailto:david.morley%40gmx.net>>
> > > > > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > <mailto:SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>, Bakis Sirros
> > > > > > <synth_freak_2000@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > hello,
> > > > > > > come on, no reply about this please?
> > > > > > > a rough price?
> > > > > > > thank you,
> > > > > > > Bakis.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Bakkis
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It really is hard to say, but I would suggest between $800 ( for
> > > say a
> > > > > > sequencer and mixer or such - like) and $1800 (for say VCO's and
> > > > > > Filters etc)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "legion01x" <legionhwp@...> wrote:
>
> I have been in the Serge "game" the last few years. ANY pannel is
> going to run $1500 on up up up. I'm talking broken modules at that
> price IF you can even see it for under $2k
>
> Any panel in good shape will fetch $2500 Pre STS or not. Maybe some
> here wouldn't pay that but there are plenty of folks who would and do
> especially in Europe where the US $$ is very low. $800-$1000 is a
> pipe dream and has the same odds as getting a $250 TB303. Sure you
> *might* find someone selling that for that price, but if the market
> found out it would be back to $2500 in a second.
>
> Good shape STS panels easily fetch the old price list prices.
> Especially when you consider custom panels are no longer being made.
> It is VERY true that the module complement and the buyer's desires
> influence prices a lot. Everyone seems to want an Animal panel or
> processing modules. Only those familiar with the CV wackiness will
> see the beauty of some of the more esoteric modules. So there is some
> variety. But folks WILL buy something they don't want, even at high
> prices, to get something they do want. That's the serge difference.
>
>
> The last new price list I saw had some single modules at $1250 each.
> One module. pre sts or not a panel with those types of things in it
> are going to be worth $$ to someone looking for one since your
> choices are buy the used high price or pay $5K+ and wait for a new
> one.
>
> Kind of makes $8000 for a Fenix or those current Buchla prices seem
> almost right.
>
> :)
>
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_2000@> wrote:
> >
> > hello List,
> >
> > many thanks to all for the detailed replys!!
> >
> > best regards, :-)
> > Bakis.
> >
> >
> > --- evetsterueb <synth@> wrote:
> >
> > > The comments above are a good guide. Watch the
> > > newsgroups and ebay for
> > > a while. As far as the difference of opinion about
> > > prices for old
> > > panels, I've seen old panels fetch high prices. The
> > > main determinant
> > > seems to be how well the module selection matches
> > > the desires of the
> > > buyer, not age. This is a somewhat unique factor in
> > > the used Serge
> > > market since you're always dealing in groups of
> > > modules.
> > >
> > > I'm famiiar with STS panels from the Oakland era, as
> > > well as pre-STS
> > > panels from 1980/1981 (They were on Haight Street in
> > > San Francisco
> > > then), and 1980/1981 panels later rebuilt by STS and
> > > combined with
> > > newer circuits. All of it has held up very very well
> > > and is more alike
> > > than different. I also have a used panel from about
> > > 1977 or 1978 which
> > > has different banana jacks (not the Johnson jacks).
> > > These old jacks
> > > are secured by a barbed clip rather than a nut, and
> > > many of those
> > > needed to be replaced. The Johnson jacks are
> > > incredibly durable. If
> > > you find anything much older than that (panel
> > > graphics with lots of
> > > boxes and triangles) I suspect there is more
> > > variation.
> > >
> > > Rex has gradually incorporated some improvements
> > > into the electronics
> > > of some modules (AFIK mostly subtle changes and
> > > cleanups), turned some
> > > common modifications into standard features,
> > > transitioned to panel
> > > graphics on metal and introduced the deeper chassis
> > > boxes,
> > > discontinued some modules and created some new ones
> > > but overall the
> > > product line has been pretty consistent over time.
> > > If you are looking
> > > for certain modules (you mentioned a WAD) that will
> > > limit the date
> > > range. I wonder if anybody has a timeline of these
> > > things?
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "buchla300"
> > > <david.morley@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I stand by my valuations of $800 to $1800 in
> > > general
> > > > If we are talking Pre STS then I think over $2000
> > > would need it to be
> > > > full of exceptional modules and this is unlikely
> > > although totally
> > > > possible that one panel has JUST rare and
> > > expensive modules...
> > >
>

>
> Well, I'm in Europe and still find $2k per panel used a fairly

> price for a "normal" panel pre STS. They have less features per

> due to the 6 vs 8 pots which means a 6 panel system like mine in
> practice has less per panel.
>
> Recently a half filled panel went for $550 or so. Analog Haven had
> nice panels for about $2k. Maybe my prices are too low, and prices

> move quickly, but $2k for ANY old panel is a lot.
> I love my system, but if it was to bring me $15k, I'd find it hard

> keep.
> $8k, I'll keep it thanks...but everything has it's price...
> Same reason I sold my Fenix. It became overvalued.
> Same reason I won't sell my Buchla 200. It would be very hard to

> value that one ;-)
>
>
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "legion01x" <legionhwp@> wrote:
> >
> > I have been in the Serge "game" the last few years. ANY pannel is
> > going to run $1500 on up up up. I'm talking broken modules at

> > price IF you can even see it for under $2k
> >
> > Any panel in good shape will fetch $2500 Pre STS or not. Maybe

> > here wouldn't pay that but there are plenty of folks who would

> > especially in Europe where the US $$ is very low. $800-$1000 is a
> > pipe dream and has the same odds as getting a $250 TB303. Sure

> > *might* find someone selling that for that price, but if the

> > found out it would be back to $2500 in a second.
> >
> > Good shape STS panels easily fetch the old price list prices.
> > Especially when you consider custom panels are no longer being

> > It is VERY true that the module complement and the buyer's

> > influence prices a lot. Everyone seems to want an Animal panel or
> > processing modules. Only those familiar with the CV wackiness

> > see the beauty of some of the more esoteric modules. So there is

> > variety. But folks WILL buy something they don't want, even at

> > prices, to get something they do want. That's the serge

> >
> >
> > The last new price list I saw had some single modules at $1250

> > One module. pre sts or not a panel with those types of things in

> > are going to be worth $$ to someone looking for one since your
> > choices are buy the used high price or pay $5K+ and wait for a

> > one.
> >
> > Kind of makes $8000 for a Fenix or those current Buchla prices

> > almost right.
> >
> > :)
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
> > <synth_freak_2000@> wrote:
> > >
> > > hello List,
> > >
> > > many thanks to all for the detailed replys!!
> > >
> > > best regards, :-)
> > > Bakis.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- evetsterueb <synth@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The comments above are a good guide. Watch the
> > > > newsgroups and ebay for
> > > > a while. As far as the difference of opinion about
> > > > prices for old
> > > > panels, I've seen old panels fetch high prices. The
> > > > main determinant
> > > > seems to be how well the module selection matches
> > > > the desires of the
> > > > buyer, not age. This is a somewhat unique factor in
> > > > the used Serge
> > > > market since you're always dealing in groups of
> > > > modules.
> > > >
> > > > I'm famiiar with STS panels from the Oakland era, as
> > > > well as pre-STS
> > > > panels from 1980/1981 (They were on Haight Street in
> > > > San Francisco
> > > > then), and 1980/1981 panels later rebuilt by STS and
> > > > combined with
> > > > newer circuits. All of it has held up very very well
> > > > and is more alike
> > > > than different. I also have a used panel from about
> > > > 1977 or 1978 which
> > > > has different banana jacks (not the Johnson jacks).
> > > > These old jacks
> > > > are secured by a barbed clip rather than a nut, and
> > > > many of those
> > > > needed to be replaced. The Johnson jacks are
> > > > incredibly durable. If
> > > > you find anything much older than that (panel
> > > > graphics with lots of
> > > > boxes and triangles) I suspect there is more
> > > > variation.
> > > >
> > > > Rex has gradually incorporated some improvements
> > > > into the electronics
> > > > of some modules (AFIK mostly subtle changes and
> > > > cleanups), turned some
> > > > common modifications into standard features,
> > > > transitioned to panel
> > > > graphics on metal and introduced the deeper chassis
> > > > boxes,
> > > > discontinued some modules and created some new ones
> > > > but overall the
> > > > product line has been pretty consistent over time.
> > > > If you are looking
> > > > for certain modules (you mentioned a WAD) that will
> > > > limit the date
> > > > range. I wonder if anybody has a timeline of these
> > > > things?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "buchla300"
> > > > <david.morley@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I stand by my valuations of $800 to $1800 in
> > > > general
> > > > > If we are talking Pre STS then I think over $2000
> > > > would need it to be
> > > > > full of exceptional modules and this is unlikely
> > > > although totally
> > > > > possible that one panel has JUST rare and
> > > > expensive modules...
> > > >
> >
>

>
> -
> I dont' disagree that $2k is a lot believe me but a new STS panel is
> around $4k+ which is more :)
>
> One correction, Analog Haven has never sold a panel for $2k. They
> currently have some pre STS pannels in for a minimum of $2500 each
> plus shipping no PS. I spoke to Chuck last week and he told me that
> is the cheapest they have ever had panels in for and he had a waiting
> list of people ready to buy them all. Mostly from Europe and one
> moron from phila pa. That would be me but lawd knows I've looked and
> looked and there is nothing out there with the modules I was looking
> for for under $3 grand
>
> -- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>, "buchla300" <david.morley@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I'm in Europe and still find $2k per panel used a fairly
> hefty
> > price for a "normal" panel pre STS. They have less features per
> panel
> > due to the 6 vs 8 pots which means a 6 panel system like mine in
> > practice has less per panel.
> >
> > Recently a half filled panel went for $550 or so. Analog Haven had
> > nice panels for about $2k. Maybe my prices are too low, and prices
> do
> > move quickly, but $2k for ANY old panel is a lot.
> > I love my system, but if it was to bring me $15k, I'd find it hard
> to
> > keep.
> > $8k, I'll keep it thanks...but everything has it's price...
> > Same reason I sold my Fenix. It became overvalued.
> > Same reason I won't sell my Buchla 200. It would be very hard to
> over
> > value that one ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>, "legion01x" <legionhwp@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have been in the Serge "game" the last few years. ANY pannel is
> > > going to run $1500 on up up up. I'm talking broken modules at
> that
> > > price IF you can even see it for under $2k
> > >
> > > Any panel in good shape will fetch $2500 Pre STS or not. Maybe
> some
> > > here wouldn't pay that but there are plenty of folks who would
> and do
> > > especially in Europe where the US $$ is very low. $800-$1000 is a
> > > pipe dream and has the same odds as getting a $250 TB303. Sure
> you
> > > *might* find someone selling that for that price, but if the
> market
> > > found out it would be back to $2500 in a second.
> > >
> > > Good shape STS panels easily fetch the old price list prices.
> > > Especially when you consider custom panels are no longer being
> made.
> > > It is VERY true that the module complement and the buyer's
> desires
> > > influence prices a lot. Everyone seems to want an Animal panel or
> > > processing modules. Only those familiar with the CV wackiness
> will
> > > see the beauty of some of the more esoteric modules. So there is
> some
> > > variety. But folks WILL buy something they don't want, even at
> high
> > > prices, to get something they do want. That's the serge
> difference.
> > >
> > >
> > > The last new price list I saw had some single modules at $1250
> each.
> > > One module. pre sts or not a panel with those types of things in
> it
> > > are going to be worth $$ to someone looking for one since your
> > > choices are buy the used high price or pay $5K+ and wait for a
> new
> > > one.
> > >
> > > Kind of makes $8000 for a Fenix or those current Buchla prices
> seem
> > > almost right.
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>, Bakis Sirros
> > > <synth_freak_2000@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hello List,
> > > >
> > > > many thanks to all for the detailed replys!!
> > > >
> > > > best regards, :-)
> > > > Bakis.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- evetsterueb <synth@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The comments above are a good guide. Watch the
> > > > > newsgroups and ebay for
> > > > > a while. As far as the difference of opinion about
> > > > > prices for old
> > > > > panels, I've seen old panels fetch high prices. The
> > > > > main determinant
> > > > > seems to be how well the module selection matches
> > > > > the desires of the
> > > > > buyer, not age. This is a somewhat unique factor in
> > > > > the used Serge
> > > > > market since you're always dealing in groups of
> > > > > modules.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm famiiar with STS panels from the Oakland era, as
> > > > > well as pre-STS
> > > > > panels from 1980/1981 (They were on Haight Street in
> > > > > San Francisco
> > > > > then), and 1980/1981 panels later rebuilt by STS and
> > > > > combined with
> > > > > newer circuits. All of it has held up very very well
> > > > > and is more alike
> > > > > than different. I also have a used panel from about
> > > > > 1977 or 1978 which
> > > > > has different banana jacks (not the Johnson jacks).
> > > > > These old jacks
> > > > > are secured by a barbed clip rather than a nut, and
> > > > > many of those
> > > > > needed to be replaced. The Johnson jacks are
> > > > > incredibly durable. If
> > > > > you find anything much older than that (panel
> > > > > graphics with lots of
> > > > > boxes and triangles) I suspect there is more
> > > > > variation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rex has gradually incorporated some improvements
> > > > > into the electronics
> > > > > of some modules (AFIK mostly subtle changes and
> > > > > cleanups), turned some
> > > > > common modifications into standard features,
> > > > > transitioned to panel
> > > > > graphics on metal and introduced the deeper chassis
> > > > > boxes,
> > > > > discontinued some modules and created some new ones
> > > > > but overall the
> > > > > product line has been pretty consistent over time.
> > > > > If you are looking
> > > > > for certain modules (you mentioned a WAD) that will
> > > > > limit the date
> > > > > range. I wonder if anybody has a timeline of these
> > > > > things?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>, "buchla300"
> > > > > <david.morley@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I stand by my valuations of $800 to $1800 in
> > > > > general
> > > > > > If we are talking Pre STS then I think over $2000
> > > > > would need it to be
> > > > > > full of exceptional modules and this is unlikely
> > > > > although totally
> > > > > > possible that one panel has JUST rare and
> > > > > expensive modules...
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Bill Sequeira <bill@...> wrote:
>
> I did actually, and it was quite quirky.
>
> When I hooked up the 4 panels to my large psd one of the panels would
> not light up correctly if the other three were present, and would
> light up ok if a subset of the three was present (but not all three).
>
> A few people cracked their heads trying to solve the problem, only to
> conclude that it was a random electrical problem, very difficult to
> troubleshoot and solve - read expensive because of the potential
> amount of time involved without a guaranteed success.
>
> Rex recommended a separation of said panel from the rest - hook the
> three to the large psd and hook the one panel to a dedicated small
> psd. Worked like a charm and the panel today works just fine. A
> ghost in the machine, sibling issues, oscillator envy, who knows. ;-)
>
> Seems some of the older panels are sensitive to such problems due to
> the quality of the old solder joints, flux quality, debris, etc.
>
>
> Cheers -- Bill
> __________________________________________
> Bill Sequeira, PHD
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Y.:P wrote:
>
> > Thank you Bill.
> >
> > I appreciate that clarification and I do agree on the differences
> > from the mechanical standpoint. I was aware of the design cleanup/
> > improvements.
> >
> > Did you have problems with your '80s kit?
> >
> > kindly
> > Y
> >
> > On 27-Dec-07, at 4:07 PM, Bill Sequeira wrote:
> >
> > Hmm - there is a difference in quality between the pre-STS '70s/
> > early '80s vintage and the Oakland/Hartland production - I would not
> > pay the same price for a pre-STS panel, period.
> >
> >
> > There are mechanical differences (chassis fit and mechanical
> > rigidity), cosmetic (plastic wrap vs. chemical etching), washers/
> > connectors/jack quality, and circuit cleanup/design improvement.
> >
> > After I bought my 4 '80s panels I swore I would never buy anything
> > that was not Oakland or Hartland.
> >
> > That said, I do agree with Yulian - it is a fine instrument and
> > cherished as such.
> >
> > But all is moot as the price is set by the market's offer and demand
> > - the price is what the price is.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers -- Bill
> > __________________________________________
> > Bill Sequeira, PHD
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 27, 2007, at 12:54 PM, Y.:P wrote:
> >
> >> I would tend to agree with the $2k+/panel evaluation;
> >>
> >> Firstly, as was pointed out, new panels DID(!!) sell for $4k+ and
> >> are no longer available hence, in my book, they're already worth
> >> more.
> >>
> >> Secondly, imho, there should be little difference made between pre-
> >> STS and STS panels (although I do realize that some design
> >> improvements were introduced with very little change in the
> >> featureset).. and even less difference between Oakland and Hartland.
> >>
> >> The only time I would expect to pay less for a panel is if it
> >> requires repair/overhaul, has a drastically different design (like
> >> the really old TKB that uses lead in the touch-plates) or is in
> >> poor shape esthetically.
> >>
> >> We're talking about a hand-crafted and well-designed precision
> >> instrument (which is why it stands the test of time quite well) and
> >> not some mass produced, inexpensive, generic wannabe.. Again I feel
> >> the need to draw the Stradivarius analogy.. would you expect to pay
> >> less for one because it's older? probably not
> >>
> >> my 2 cents
> >> yulian
> >>
> >> On 27-Dec-07, at 3:33 PM, legion01x wrote:
> >>
> >> -
> >> I dont' disagree that $2k is a lot believe me but a new STS panel is
> >> around $4k+ which is more :)
> >>
> >> One correction, Analog Haven has never sold a panel for $2k. They
> >> currently have some pre STS pannels in for a minimum of $2500 each
> >> plus shipping no PS. I spoke to Chuck last week and he told me that
> >> is the cheapest they have ever had panels in for and he had a waiting
> >> list of people ready to buy them all. Mostly from Europe and one
> >> moron from phila pa. That would be me but lawd knows I've looked and
> >> looked and there is nothing out there with the modules I was looking
> >> for for under $3 grand
> >>
> >> -- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "buchla300" <david.morley@>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Well, I'm in Europe and still find $2k per panel used a fairly
> >> hefty
> >> > price for a "normal" panel pre STS. They have less features per
> >> panel
> >> > due to the 6 vs 8 pots which means a 6 panel system like mine in
> >> > practice has less per panel.
> >> >
> >> > Recently a half filled panel went for $550 or so. Analog Haven had
> >> > nice panels for about $2k. Maybe my prices are too low, and prices
> >> do
> >> > move quickly, but $2k for ANY old panel is a lot.
> >> > I love my system, but if it was to bring me $15k, I'd find it hard
> >> to
> >> > keep.
> >> > $8k, I'll keep it thanks...but everything has it's price...
> >> > Same reason I sold my Fenix. It became overvalued.
> >> > Same reason I won't sell my Buchla 200. It would be very hard to
> >> over
> >> > value that one ;-)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "legion01x" <legionhwp@>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > I have been in the Serge "game" the last few years. ANY pannel is
> >> > > going to run $1500 on up up up. I'm talking broken modules at
> >> that
> >> > > price IF you can even see it for under $2k
> >> > >
> >> > > Any panel in good shape will fetch $2500 Pre STS or not. Maybe
> >> some
> >> > > here wouldn't pay that but there are plenty of folks who would
> >> and do
> >> > > especially in Europe where the US $$ is very low. $800-$1000 is a
> >> > > pipe dream and has the same odds as getting a $250 TB303. Sure
> >> you
> >> > > *might* find someone selling that for that price, but if the
> >> market
> >> > > found out it would be back to $2500 in a second.
> >> > >
> >> > > Good shape STS panels easily fetch the old price list prices.
> >> > > Especially when you consider custom panels are no longer being
> >> made.
> >> > > It is VERY true that the module complement and the buyer's
> >> desires
> >> > > influence prices a lot. Everyone seems to want an Animal panel or
> >> > > processing modules. Only those familiar with the CV wackiness
> >> will
> >> > > see the beauty of some of the more esoteric modules. So there is
> >> some
> >> > > variety. But folks WILL buy something they don't want, even at
> >> high
> >> > > prices, to get something they do want. That's the serge
> >> difference.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > The last new price list I saw had some single modules at $1250
> >> each.
> >> > > One module. pre sts or not a panel with those types of things in
> >> it
> >> > > are going to be worth $$ to someone looking for one since your
> >> > > choices are buy the used high price or pay $5K+ and wait for a
> >> new
> >> > > one.
> >> > >
> >> > > Kind of makes $8000 for a Fenix or those current Buchla prices
> >> seem
> >> > > almost right.
> >> > >
> >> > > :)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
> >> > > <synth_freak_2000@> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > hello List,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > many thanks to all for the detailed replys!!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > best regards, :-)
> >> > > > Bakis.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --- evetsterueb <synth@> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > The comments above are a good guide. Watch the
> >> > > > > newsgroups and ebay for
> >> > > > > a while. As far as the difference of opinion about
> >> > > > > prices for old
> >> > > > > panels, I've seen old panels fetch high prices. The
> >> > > > > main determinant
> >> > > > > seems to be how well the module selection matches
> >> > > > > the desires of the
> >> > > > > buyer, not age. This is a somewhat unique factor in
> >> > > > > the used Serge
> >> > > > > market since you're always dealing in groups of
> >> > > > > modules.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I'm famiiar with STS panels from the Oakland era, as
> >> > > > > well as pre-STS
> >> > > > > panels from 1980/1981 (They were on Haight Street in
> >> > > > > San Francisco
> >> > > > > then), and 1980/1981 panels later rebuilt by STS and
> >> > > > > combined with
> >> > > > > newer circuits. All of it has held up very very well
> >> > > > > and is more alike
> >> > > > > than different. I also have a used panel from about
> >> > > > > 1977 or 1978 which
> >> > > > > has different banana jacks (not the Johnson jacks).
> >> > > > > These old jacks
> >> > > > > are secured by a barbed clip rather than a nut, and
> >> > > > > many of those
> >> > > > > needed to be replaced. The Johnson jacks are
> >> > > > > incredibly durable. If
> >> > > > > you find anything much older than that (panel
> >> > > > > graphics with lots of
> >> > > > > boxes and triangles) I suspect there is more
> >> > > > > variation.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Rex has gradually incorporated some improvements
> >> > > > > into the electronics
> >> > > > > of some modules (AFIK mostly subtle changes and
> >> > > > > cleanups), turned some
> >> > > > > common modifications into standard features,
> >> > > > > transitioned to panel
> >> > > > > graphics on metal and introduced the deeper chassis
> >> > > > > boxes,
> >> > > > > discontinued some modules and created some new ones
> >> > > > > but overall the
> >> > > > > product line has been pretty consistent over time.
> >> > > > > If you are looking
> >> > > > > for certain modules (you mentioned a WAD) that will
> >> > > > > limit the date
> >> > > > > range. I wonder if anybody has a timeline of these
> >> > > > > things?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "buchla300"
> >> > > > > <david.morley@> wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I stand by my valuations of $800 to $1800 in
> >> > > > > general
> >> > > > > > If we are talking Pre STS then I think over $2000
> >> > > > > would need it to be
> >> > > > > > full of exceptional modules and this is unlikely
> >> > > > > although totally
> >> > > > > > possible that one panel has JUST rare and
> >> > > > > expensive modules...
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Steve Ridley <spr@...> wrote:
> Would it be right in thinking that the prices below $2000 were
> suggested by people who want to buy Serge panels and the prices
> above $2000 come from people who already have them?

>
>
> Would it be right in thinking that the prices below $2000 were
> suggested by people who want to buy Serge panels and the prices
> above $2000 come from people who already have them?
>
>
> Steve
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "Y.:P" <yulian.p@...> wrote:
>
> I would tend to agree with the $2k+/panel evaluation;
>
> Firstly, as was pointed out, new panels DID(!!) sell for $4k+ and are
> no longer available hence, in my book, they're already worth more.
>
> Secondly, imho, there should be little difference made between pre-STS
> and STS panels (although I do realize that some design improvements
> were introduced with very little change in the featureset).. and even
> less difference between Oakland and Hartland.
>
> The only time I would expect to pay less for a panel is if it requires
> repair/overhaul, has a drastically different design (like the really
> old TKB that uses lead in the touch-plates) or is in poor shape
> esthetically.
>
> We're talking about a hand-crafted and well-designed precision
> instrument (which is why it stands the test of time quite well) and
> not some mass produced, inexpensive, generic wannabe.. Again I feel
> the need to draw the Stradivarius analogy.. would you expect to pay
> less for one because it's older? probably not
>
> my 2 cents
> yulian
>
> On 27-Dec-07, at 3:33 PM, legion01x wrote:
>
> -
> I dont' disagree that $2k is a lot believe me but a new STS panel is
> around $4k+ which is more :)
>
> One correction, Analog Haven has never sold a panel for $2k. They
> currently have some pre STS pannels in for a minimum of $2500 each
> plus shipping no PS. I spoke to Chuck last week and he told me that
> is the cheapest they have ever had panels in for and he had a waiting
> list of people ready to buy them all. Mostly from Europe and one
> moron from phila pa. That would be me but lawd knows I've looked and
> looked and there is nothing out there with the modules I was looking
> for for under $3 grand
>
> -- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "buchla300" <david.morley@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I'm in Europe and still find $2k per panel used a fairly
> hefty
> > price for a "normal" panel pre STS. They have less features per
> panel
> > due to the 6 vs 8 pots which means a 6 panel system like mine in
> > practice has less per panel.
> >
> > Recently a half filled panel went for $550 or so. Analog Haven had
> > nice panels for about $2k. Maybe my prices are too low, and prices
> do
> > move quickly, but $2k for ANY old panel is a lot.
> > I love my system, but if it was to bring me $15k, I'd find it hard
> to
> > keep.
> > $8k, I'll keep it thanks...but everything has it's price...
> > Same reason I sold my Fenix. It became overvalued.
> > Same reason I won't sell my Buchla 200. It would be very hard to
> over
> > value that one ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "legion01x" <legionhwp@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have been in the Serge "game" the last few years. ANY pannel is
> > > going to run $1500 on up up up. I'm talking broken modules at
> that
> > > price IF you can even see it for under $2k
> > >
> > > Any panel in good shape will fetch $2500 Pre STS or not. Maybe
> some
> > > here wouldn't pay that but there are plenty of folks who would
> and do
> > > especially in Europe where the US $$ is very low. $800-$1000 is a
> > > pipe dream and has the same odds as getting a $250 TB303. Sure
> you
> > > *might* find someone selling that for that price, but if the
> market
> > > found out it would be back to $2500 in a second.
> > >
> > > Good shape STS panels easily fetch the old price list prices.
> > > Especially when you consider custom panels are no longer being
> made.
> > > It is VERY true that the module complement and the buyer's
> desires
> > > influence prices a lot. Everyone seems to want an Animal panel or
> > > processing modules. Only those familiar with the CV wackiness
> will
> > > see the beauty of some of the more esoteric modules. So there is
> some
> > > variety. But folks WILL buy something they don't want, even at
> high
> > > prices, to get something they do want. That's the serge
> difference.
> > >
> > >
> > > The last new price list I saw had some single modules at $1250
> each.
> > > One module. pre sts or not a panel with those types of things in
> it
> > > are going to be worth $$ to someone looking for one since your
> > > choices are buy the used high price or pay $5K+ and wait for a
> new
> > > one.
> > >
> > > Kind of makes $8000 for a Fenix or those current Buchla prices
> seem
> > > almost right.
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
> > > <synth_freak_2000@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hello List,
> > > >
> > > > many thanks to all for the detailed replys!!
> > > >
> > > > best regards, :-)
> > > > Bakis.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- evetsterueb <synth@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The comments above are a good guide. Watch the
> > > > > newsgroups and ebay for
> > > > > a while. As far as the difference of opinion about
> > > > > prices for old
> > > > > panels, I've seen old panels fetch high prices. The
> > > > > main determinant
> > > > > seems to be how well the module selection matches
> > > > > the desires of the
> > > > > buyer, not age. This is a somewhat unique factor in
> > > > > the used Serge
> > > > > market since you're always dealing in groups of
> > > > > modules.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm famiiar with STS panels from the Oakland era, as
> > > > > well as pre-STS
> > > > > panels from 1980/1981 (They were on Haight Street in
> > > > > San Francisco
> > > > > then), and 1980/1981 panels later rebuilt by STS and
> > > > > combined with
> > > > > newer circuits. All of it has held up very very well
> > > > > and is more alike
> > > > > than different. I also have a used panel from about
> > > > > 1977 or 1978 which
> > > > > has different banana jacks (not the Johnson jacks).
> > > > > These old jacks
> > > > > are secured by a barbed clip rather than a nut, and
> > > > > many of those
> > > > > needed to be replaced. The Johnson jacks are
> > > > > incredibly durable. If
> > > > > you find anything much older than that (panel
> > > > > graphics with lots of
> > > > > boxes and triangles) I suspect there is more
> > > > > variation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rex has gradually incorporated some improvements
> > > > > into the electronics
> > > > > of some modules (AFIK mostly subtle changes and
> > > > > cleanups), turned some
> > > > > common modifications into standard features,
> > > > > transitioned to panel
> > > > > graphics on metal and introduced the deeper chassis
> > > > > boxes,
> > > > > discontinued some modules and created some new ones
> > > > > but overall the
> > > > > product line has been pretty consistent over time.
> > > > > If you are looking
> > > > > for certain modules (you mentioned a WAD) that will
> > > > > limit the date
> > > > > range. I wonder if anybody has a timeline of these
> > > > > things?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "buchla300"
> > > > > <david.morley@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I stand by my valuations of $800 to $1800 in
> > > > > general
> > > > > > If we are talking Pre STS then I think over $2000
> > > > > would need it to be
> > > > > > full of exceptional modules and this is unlikely
> > > > > although totally
> > > > > > possible that one panel has JUST rare and
> > > > > expensive modules...
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>

> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Steve Ridley
> <spr@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Would it be right in thinking that the prices
> below $2000 were
> > suggested by people who want to buy Serge panels
> and the prices
> > above $2000 come from people who already have
> them?
> >
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
> Well not here! I am the one who said $800-$1800
> (mean maybe) and I
> have 6 panels.
> Look here
>

>
> $2k per panel and NICE panels. No bids.
>
>
>

>>>Well, I'm in Europe and still find $2k per panel used a fairly hefty
>>>price for a "normal" panel pre STS. They have less features per panel
>>>due to the 6 vs 8 pots which means a 6 panel system like mine in
>>>practice has less per panel.

> TKB isn't even $2000 new now????????? ????
>

i just got quoted $2400 for a new TKB......i hope Rex isn't playing
favourites
>
>
>

> TKB isn't even $2000 new now????????? ????
>

i just got quoted $2400 for a new TKB......i hope Rex isn't playing
favourites
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SergeModular@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of amnesia
>
> > TKB isn't even $2000 new now?????????????
> >
>
>
> i just got quoted $2400 for a new TKB......i hope Rex isn't playing
> favourites
> >
> >