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2003-09-23 by foleymachine

hi,

my name is greg. i just joined because i have begun using the serge
at san francisco city college and have tons of questions. one for now:

when using the tkb, is there any simpler way to sequence rests
(triggering only select steps) than to stack all of the desired step
outs into the envelope generator? triggering the envelope from the
clock source (cycling dtg) obviously gives me a note on every step.
how do other people do this? is it common just to use an external
clock source which steps the sequencer to the desired rhythm, rather
than constantly?

thanks a lot,

greg

Re: new member

2003-09-23 by Blake Wilson

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    At 05:13 PM 9/23/03 +0000, you wrote:
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    hi,

    my name is greg. i just joined because i have begun using the serge
    at san francisco city college and have tons of questions. one for now:

    when using the tkb, is there any simpler way to sequence rests
    (triggering only select steps) than to stack all of the desired step
    outs into the envelope generator? triggering the envelope from the
    clock source (cycling dtg) obviously gives me a note on every step.
    how do other people do this? is it common just to use an external
    clock source which steps the sequencer to the desired rhythm, rather
    than constantly?

    ok, try this:

    set up a nice 8 step sequence, triggering it off the DTG as you describe. you will have a steady rhythm with a note at every step. feed output D from the tkb to the CV input of the DTG and apply a little CV offset pos or neg. depending on the voltages set on line D, the DTG will either speed up or down at that step and then move onto the next one, speed up, etc. so, to set up a simple 4/4 with note-rest-note-note, set up a 3 (yes) step sequence with a touch of voltage from step 1 row D (causing DTG to hold) and none on D for 2 and 3. adjust according. you can also try this type of thing with the "hold" input on the tkb and a clock divider.

    good luck, hope this helps,

    blake, your moderator.

    y

    thanks a lot,

    greg


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    Re: new member

    2003-09-23 by foleymachine

    ok, i think i understand;

    you just manually adjust the length of each step with row D's pots.
    i've used this to get swing and triplets before. i'm curious about
    the hold and clock divider method. there is no dedicated clock
    divider on this system, is there another module that could function
    as one?

    thanks a lot,
    greg
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    > set up a nice 8 step sequence, triggering it off the DTG as you
    describe.
    > you will have a steady rhythm with a note at every step. feed
    output D from
    > the tkb to the CV input of the DTG and apply a little CV offset pos
    or neg.
    > depending on the voltages set on line D, the DTG will either speed
    up or
    > down at that step and then move onto the next one, speed up, etc.
    so, to
    > set up a simple 4/4 with note-rest-note-note, set up a 3 (yes) step
    > sequence with a touch of voltage from step 1 row D (causing DTG to
    hold)
    > and none on D for 2 and 3. adjust according. you can also try this
    type of
    > thing with the "hold" input on the tkb and a clock divider.
    >
    > good luck, hope this helps,
    >
    > blake, your moderator.
    >
    > y
    >
    > >thanks a lot,
    > >
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    Re: new member

    2003-09-23 by James R. Coplin

    You can use the divide by n comparator for the same thing. You can also
    use the Boolean logic modules coupled with delayed gates (via dsg's
    etc).

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    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: foleymachine [mailto:foleymachine@...]
    > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:56 PM
    > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: [SergeModular] Re: new member
    >
    > ok, i think i understand;
    >
    > you just manually adjust the length of each step with row D's pots.
    > i've used this to get swing and triplets before. i'm curious about
    > the hold and clock divider method. there is no dedicated clock
    > divider on this system, is there another module that could function
    > as one?
    >
    > thanks a lot,
    > greg
    >
    >
    > > set up a nice 8 step sequence, triggering it off the DTG as you
    > describe.
    > > you will have a steady rhythm with a note at every step. feed
    > output D from
    > > the tkb to the CV input of the DTG and apply a little CV offset pos
    > or neg.
    > > depending on the voltages set on line D, the DTG will either speed
    > up or
    > > down at that step and then move onto the next one, speed up, etc.
    > so, to
    > > set up a simple 4/4 with note-rest-note-note, set up a 3 (yes) step
    > > sequence with a touch of voltage from step 1 row D (causing DTG to
    > hold)
    > > and none on D for 2 and 3. adjust according. you can also try this
    > type of
    > > thing with the "hold" input on the tkb and a clock divider.
    > >
    > > good luck, hope this helps,
    > >
    > > blake, your moderator.
    > >
    > > y
    > >
    > > >thanks a lot,
    > > >
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    Re: new member

    2003-09-23 by John Papiewski

    Hi Greg!

    Welcome.
    Could you tell us when the Serge was made (Is new? Old?).
    What modules does it have? That would help in figuring out techniques.

    Thanks

    John P.

    foleymachine wrote:
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    > hi,
    >
    > my name is greg. i just joined because i have begun using the serge
    > at san francisco city college and have tons of questions. one for now:
    >
    > when using the tkb, is there any simpler way to sequence rests
    > (triggering only select steps) than to stack all of the desired step
    > outs into the envelope generator? triggering the envelope from the
    > clock source (cycling dtg) obviously gives me a note on every step.
    > how do other people do this? is it common just to use an external
    > clock source which steps the sequencer to the desired rhythm, rather
    > than constantly?
    >
    > thanks a lot,
    >
    > greg
    >
    >
    >
    > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
    > SergeModular-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
    >
    > Keep on Patchin'!
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    >
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    Re: new member

    2003-09-23 by foleymachine

    shucks, i don't think the system has these... it does have a dual
    comparator, but each comparator only has a knob for the threshold.


    --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "James R. Coplin" <moog@q...>
    wrote:
    Show quoted textHide quoted text
    > You can use the divide by n comparator for the same thing. You can
    also
    > use the Boolean logic modules coupled with delayed gates (via dsg's
    > etc).
    >
    > James R. Coplin
    > ***************
    > If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
    > simply tell them i've gone out the window
    > for a spot of tea and am not
    > expected back any time soon.
    > ***************
    >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: foleymachine [mailto:foleymachine@y...]
    > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:56 PM
    > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
    > > Subject: [SergeModular] Re: new member
    > >
    > > ok, i think i understand;
    > >
    > > you just manually adjust the length of each step with row D's
    pots.
    > > i've used this to get swing and triplets before. i'm curious about
    > > the hold and clock divider method. there is no dedicated clock
    > > divider on this system, is there another module that could
    function
    > > as one?
    > >
    > > thanks a lot,
    > > greg
    > >
    > >
    > > > set up a nice 8 step sequence, triggering it off the DTG as you
    > > describe.
    > > > you will have a steady rhythm with a note at every step. feed
    > > output D from
    > > > the tkb to the CV input of the DTG and apply a little CV offset
    pos
    > > or neg.
    > > > depending on the voltages set on line D, the DTG will either
    speed
    > > up or
    > > > down at that step and then move onto the next one, speed up,
    etc.
    > > so, to
    > > > set up a simple 4/4 with note-rest-note-note, set up a 3 (yes)
    step
    > > > sequence with a touch of voltage from step 1 row D (causing DTG
    to
    > > hold)
    > > > and none on D for 2 and 3. adjust according. you can also try
    this
    > > type of
    > > > thing with the "hold" input on the tkb and a clock divider.
    > > >
    > > > good luck, hope this helps,
    > > >
    > > > blake, your moderator.
    > > >
    > > > y
    > > >
    > > > >thanks a lot,
    > > > >
    > > > >greg
    > > > >
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    Re: new member

    2003-09-23 by foleymachine

    thanks! i believe it must be from sometime in the 70s. from memory:

    4 PCO
    2 NTO
    2 VCQ
    1 DTG
    1 Wave Multiplier (with 3 submodules)
    1 Quad VCA ("UPAP" or something)
    1 Ring Mod
    1 CV invertor/processor
    1 Random Voltage Generator/Noise Source
    2 VC DADSR
    1 Dual Comparator (no divide by n)
    1 6 ch mixer
    1 TKB

    thanks,
    greg
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    --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, John Papiewski
    <johnp299792@a...> wrote:
    > Hi Greg!
    >
    > Welcome.
    > Could you tell us when the Serge was made (Is new? Old?).
    > What modules does it have? That would help in figuring out
    techniques.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > John P.
    >
    > foleymachine wrote:
    > > hi,
    > >
    > > my name is greg. i just joined because i have begun using the
    serge
    > > at san francisco city college and have tons of questions. one for
    now:
    > >
    > > when using the tkb, is there any simpler way to sequence rests
    > > (triggering only select steps) than to stack all of the desired
    step
    > > outs into the envelope generator? triggering the envelope from
    the
    > > clock source (cycling dtg) obviously gives me a note on every
    step.
    > > how do other people do this? is it common just to use an external
    > > clock source which steps the sequencer to the desired rhythm,
    rather
    > > than constantly?
    > >
    > > thanks a lot,
    > >
    > > greg
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
    > > SergeModular-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
    > >
    > > Keep on Patchin'!
    > >
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    Re: new member

    2003-09-24 by John Papiewski

    Well OK.

    Here's one approach...
    1. Use one layer of the TKB to control volume. Set all the knobs on
    that layer to fully-on.
    2. Send that voltage to one of the VCA's in your UPAP.
    3. Send your audio signal into that VCA, then send the output into
    another VCA that your DADSR or DTG is enveloping the audio with.

    Now to 'turn off' or silence any sequencer step in your melody just turn
    off the layer you used for step 1 above. The advantage here is, in
    addtion to creating a 'rest' beat(s) wherever you want, you can also
    create accenting... daDA DADAda ... by varying the volume control
    stage pot on the TKB.

    More efficiently, this could also be done with one VCA if you can mix DC
    signals together ... You mention you have an inverter/processor.. can
    that combine control voltages? I have a Dual Processor & a CV mixer
    that do that. Anyway take the TKB volume control layer and your ADSR
    and mix them together, biasing the whole thing by -5v, and use this to
    control a VCA for your audio. You should only hear notes where the TKB
    volume control stage is fully on. This can do the 'accenting' as above.

    It's also fun to use another TKB layer (by layer I mean the A,B,C,D rows
    of 16 steps going across) to control pan position. Makes your sequence
    dance nicely!

    All the above needs only simple TKB patching... clock the clock input
    like you always do, and set the sequence length using a stage output &
    reset input, or just run 16 step sequences.

    Good luck!

    John P.

    foleymachine wrote:
    Show quoted textHide quoted text
    > thanks! i believe it must be from sometime in the 70s. from memory:
    >
    > 4 PCO
    > 2 NTO
    > 2 VCQ
    > 1 DTG
    > 1 Wave Multiplier (with 3 submodules)
    > 1 Quad VCA ("UPAP" or something)
    > 1 Ring Mod
    > 1 CV invertor/processor
    > 1 Random Voltage Generator/Noise Source
    > 2 VC DADSR
    > 1 Dual Comparator (no divide by n)
    > 1 6 ch mixer
    > 1 TKB
    >
    > thanks,
    > greg
    >
    > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, John Papiewski
    > <johnp299792@a...> wrote:
    >
    >>Hi Greg!
    >>
    >>Welcome.
    >>Could you tell us when the Serge was made (Is new? Old?).
    >>What modules does it have? That would help in figuring out
    >
    > techniques.
    >
    >>Thanks
    >>
    >>John P.
    >>
    >>foleymachine wrote:
    >>
    >>>hi,
    >>>
    >>>my name is greg. i just joined because i have begun using the
    >>
    > serge
    >
    >>>at san francisco city college and have tons of questions. one for
    >>
    > now:
    >
    >>>when using the tkb, is there any simpler way to sequence rests
    >>>(triggering only select steps) than to stack all of the desired
    >>
    > step
    >
    >>>outs into the envelope generator? triggering the envelope from
    >>
    > the
    >
    >>>clock source (cycling dtg) obviously gives me a note on every
    >>
    > step.
    >
    >>>how do other people do this? is it common just to use an external
    >>>clock source which steps the sequencer to the desired rhythm,
    >>
    > rather
    >
    >>>than constantly?
    >>>
    >>>thanks a lot,
    >>>
    >>>greg
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
    >>>SergeModular-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
    >>>
    >>>Keep on Patchin'!
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
    >>
    > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
    >
    >>>
    >
    >
    >
    > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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    > Keep on Patchin'!
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    Re: new member

    2003-09-24 by foleymachine

    yes! thank you! that's the beautifully simple solution i was
    overlooking.

    greg

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    --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, John Papiewski
    <johnp299792@a...> wrote:
    > Well OK.
    >
    > Here's one approach...
    > 1. Use one layer of the TKB to control volume. Set all the knobs
    on
    > that layer to fully-on.
    > 2. Send that voltage to one of the VCA's in your UPAP.
    > 3. Send your audio signal into that VCA, then send the output into
    > another VCA that your DADSR or DTG is enveloping the audio with.
    >
    > Now to 'turn off' or silence any sequencer step in your melody just
    turn
    > off the layer you used for step 1 above. The advantage here is, in
    > addtion to creating a 'rest' beat(s) wherever you want, you can
    also
    > create accenting... daDA DADAda ... by varying the volume
    control
    > stage pot on the TKB.
    >
    > More efficiently, this could also be done with one VCA if you can
    mix DC
    > signals together ... You mention you have an inverter/processor..
    can
    > that combine control voltages? I have a Dual Processor & a CV
    mixer
    > that do that. Anyway take the TKB volume control layer and your
    ADSR
    > and mix them together, biasing the whole thing by -5v, and use this
    to
    > control a VCA for your audio. You should only hear notes where the
    TKB
    > volume control stage is fully on. This can do the 'accenting' as
    above.
    >
    > It's also fun to use another TKB layer (by layer I mean the A,B,C,D
    rows
    > of 16 steps going across) to control pan position. Makes your
    sequence
    > dance nicely!
    >
    > All the above needs only simple TKB patching... clock the clock
    input
    > like you always do, and set the sequence length using a stage
    output &
    > reset input, or just run 16 step sequences.
    >
    > Good luck!
    >
    > John P.
    >
    > foleymachine wrote:
    > > thanks! i believe it must be from sometime in the 70s. from
    memory:
    > >
    > > 4 PCO
    > > 2 NTO
    > > 2 VCQ
    > > 1 DTG
    > > 1 Wave Multiplier (with 3 submodules)
    > > 1 Quad VCA ("UPAP" or something)
    > > 1 Ring Mod
    > > 1 CV invertor/processor
    > > 1 Random Voltage Generator/Noise Source
    > > 2 VC DADSR
    > > 1 Dual Comparator (no divide by n)
    > > 1 6 ch mixer
    > > 1 TKB
    > >
    > > thanks,
    > > greg
    > >
    > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, John Papiewski
    > > <johnp299792@a...> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Hi Greg!
    > >>
    > >>Welcome.
    > >>Could you tell us when the Serge was made (Is new? Old?).
    > >>What modules does it have? That would help in figuring out
    > >
    > > techniques.
    > >
    > >>Thanks
    > >>
    > >>John P.
    > >>
    > >>foleymachine wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>hi,
    > >>>
    > >>>my name is greg. i just joined because i have begun using the
    > >>
    > > serge
    > >
    > >>>at san francisco city college and have tons of questions. one
    for
    > >>
    > > now:
    > >
    > >>>when using the tkb, is there any simpler way to sequence rests
    > >>>(triggering only select steps) than to stack all of the desired
    > >>
    > > step
    > >
    > >>>outs into the envelope generator? triggering the envelope from
    > >>
    > > the
    > >
    > >>>clock source (cycling dtg) obviously gives me a note on every
    > >>
    > > step.
    > >
    > >>>how do other people do this? is it common just to use an
    external
    > >>>clock source which steps the sequencer to the desired rhythm,
    > >>
    > > rather
    > >
    > >>>than constantly?
    > >>>
    > >>>thanks a lot,
    > >>>
    > >>>greg
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
    > >>>SergeModular-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
    > >>>
    > >>>Keep on Patchin'!
    > >>>
    > >>>
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    > >>
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    > >
    > >>>
    > >
    > >
    > >
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