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module choice

2003-08-11 by circlesround

Hello,

I'm hoping to construct a stand-alone signal processing unit around
the STS/Serge 'Frequency Shifter' (FRS) and 'Wilson Analog Delay'
(WAD) modules, and am in need of some sage advice.

Currently, my neophyte mind has concocted the following;

The foundation:

a) Frequency Shifter + Wilson Analog Delay + Universal Audio
Processor + Four Adapters (1/4" - 1/8" - banana)

...but where to go from there.

Two possibilities;

b) Add the following: Sequencer 8x2 + Dual Universal Slope Generator

...which rapidly brings it to the limit of sixteen spaces. My
thoughts to include these last two modules would be generation of
some onboard sequenced (non-random) tones which could thereby be sent
externally for further processing, or fed directly into the Freq.
Shifter/Analog Delay for some simple loops to experiment with.

c) Otherwise, adding in the following to maintain the original intent
(processing external audio): Resonant Equalizer + Triple Waveshaper +
Ring Mod + Dual Phase Shifter

... which again brings it to sixteen spaces.

Any constructive advice (or critiques) will be sincerely appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Best wishes -

Trevor

Re: module choice

2003-08-11 by Chris Whitten

Hi Trevor,
My first panel was bought on very much the same lines as you are thinking.
However I decided to drop the WAD fairly early in the planning on grounds
that it was very expensive and I couldn't get anyone at the time to proclaim
it an essential Serge module to own.
I opted for:
Universal Audio Processor, Audio Mixer, Resonant Equaliser, Dual Universal
Slope Generator, Wave Multipliers x 2, FRS and Adaptor strip.
So far I've never needed both the VCM (Wave Multipliers), so that was most
likely a bit of wasted space.
I've been very pleased with my choices apart from that though.
The UAP is nice and simple. The DSG has SO many different uses and reacts in
ways none of my other LFO's or Envelope Generators by other companies do.
The Resonant EQ doesn't really add anything to the FRS angle, but it is a
really nice module and is a superb module for audio processing.
With regards to your specific ideas:

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> b) Add the following: Sequencer 8x2 + Dual Universal Slope Generator

Both your choices here sound very good.

> c) Otherwise, adding in the following to maintain the original intent
> (processing external audio): Resonant Equalizer + Triple Waveshaper +
> Ring Mod + Dual Phase Shifter

I've never really used my Ring Mod (don't ask me why). I'm not keen on the
Phaser either, too subtle for my taste. I've not been sold on the
Waveshaper, although I could see it being a useful tool for you and would be
my (personal) one pick out of your C team (apart from the Res EQ of course).
So to sum up:
Either go with 'B' or go with 'C' in which I would include: Res Eq, Dual
Universal Slope Generator and Wave Multiplier.
CW

Re: module choice

2003-08-11 by John Papiewski

Have you tried patching the phaser for feedback? It becomes plenty
dramatic then. Take a short cord & patch one of the 2 MIX outputs into
the IN 2 input & crank the IN 2 knob up to taste.

I think this is one of Rex's enhancements. The earlier phaser didn't
have the IN 2 so if you wanted feedback you needed an external mixer.

I'm not keen on the

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> Phaser either, too subtle for my taste. I've not been sold on the
> Waveshaper, although I could see it being a useful tool for you and would be
> my (personal) one pick out of your C team (apart from the Res EQ of course).
> So to sum up:
> Either go with 'B' or go with 'C' in which I would include: Res Eq, Dual
> Universal Slope Generator and Wave Multiplier.
> CW

Re: module choice

2003-08-11 by John Papiewski

Have you seen the Soup Kitchen shop panel? It sounds close to what
you're talking about.

circlesround wrote:

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> Hello,
>
> I'm hoping to construct a stand-alone signal processing unit around
> the STS/Serge 'Frequency Shifter' (FRS) and 'Wilson Analog Delay'
> (WAD) modules, and am in need of some sage advice.
>
> Currently, my neophyte mind has concocted the following;
>
> The foundation:
>
> a) Frequency Shifter + Wilson Analog Delay + Universal Audio
> Processor + Four Adapters (1/4" - 1/8" - banana)
>
> ...but where to go from there.
>
> Two possibilities;
>
> b) Add the following: Sequencer 8x2 + Dual Universal Slope Generator
>
> ...which rapidly brings it to the limit of sixteen spaces. My
> thoughts to include these last two modules would be generation of
> some onboard sequenced (non-random) tones which could thereby be sent
> externally for further processing, or fed directly into the Freq.
> Shifter/Analog Delay for some simple loops to experiment with.
>
>
> c) Otherwise, adding in the following to maintain the original intent
> (processing external audio): Resonant Equalizer + Triple Waveshaper +
> Ring Mod + Dual Phase Shifter
>
> ... which again brings it to sixteen spaces.
>
> Any constructive advice (or critiques) will be sincerely appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Best wishes -
>
> Trevor
>
>
>
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Re: module choice

2003-08-11 by (i think you can figure that out)

From the modules listed, and especially from the cable adapter,
I am assuming you will be using this equipment with other
moduoes not in the the Serge system you're planning, as it is
somewhat low on control modules.

One dual slope gives you one side to drive the Sequencer,
leaving only one as you're only VC source for the other sound
processors you're considering.

If you aren't planning on using this with other equipment which
will be able to generate CV's for this stuff, I would consider this.

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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "circlesround"
<birdfrozentoabranch@h...> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm hoping to construct a stand-alone signal processing unit

around

> the STS/Serge 'Frequency Shifter' (FRS) and 'Wilson Analog

Delay'

> (WAD) modules, and am in need of some sage advice.
>
> Currently, my neophyte mind has concocted the following;
>
> The foundation:
>
> a) Frequency Shifter + Wilson Analog Delay + Universal Audio
> Processor + Four Adapters (1/4" - 1/8" - banana)
>
> ...but where to go from there.
>
> Two possibilities;
>
> b) Add the following: Sequencer 8x2 + Dual Universal Slope

Generator

>
> ...which rapidly brings it to the limit of sixteen spaces. My
> thoughts to include these last two modules would be

generation of

> some onboard sequenced (non-random) tones which could

thereby be sent

> externally for further processing, or fed directly into the Freq.
> Shifter/Analog Delay for some simple loops to experiment with.
>
>
> c) Otherwise, adding in the following to maintain the original

intent

> (processing external audio): Resonant Equalizer + Triple

Waveshaper +

> Ring Mod + Dual Phase Shifter
>
> ... which again brings it to sixteen spaces.
>
> Any constructive advice (or critiques) will be sincerely

appreciated.

>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Best wishes -
>
> Trevor

Re: module choice

2003-08-11 by (i think you can figure that out)

From the modules listed, and especially from the cable adapter,
I am assuming you will be using this equipment with other
moduoes not in the the Serge system you're planning, as it is
somewhat low on control modules.

One dual slope gives you one side to drive the Sequencer,
leaving only one as you're only VC source for the other sound
processors you're considering.

If you aren't planning on using this with other equipment which
will be able to generate CV's for this stuff, I would consider this.

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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "circlesround"
<birdfrozentoabranch@h...> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm hoping to construct a stand-alone signal processing unit

around

> the STS/Serge 'Frequency Shifter' (FRS) and 'Wilson Analog

Delay'

> (WAD) modules, and am in need of some sage advice.
>
> Currently, my neophyte mind has concocted the following;
>
> The foundation:
>
> a) Frequency Shifter + Wilson Analog Delay + Universal Audio
> Processor + Four Adapters (1/4" - 1/8" - banana)
>
> ...but where to go from there.
>
> Two possibilities;
>
> b) Add the following: Sequencer 8x2 + Dual Universal Slope

Generator

>
> ...which rapidly brings it to the limit of sixteen spaces. My
> thoughts to include these last two modules would be

generation of

> some onboard sequenced (non-random) tones which could

thereby be sent

> externally for further processing, or fed directly into the Freq.
> Shifter/Analog Delay for some simple loops to experiment with.
>
>
> c) Otherwise, adding in the following to maintain the original

intent

> (processing external audio): Resonant Equalizer + Triple

Waveshaper +

> Ring Mod + Dual Phase Shifter
>
> ... which again brings it to sixteen spaces.
>
> Any constructive advice (or critiques) will be sincerely

appreciated.

>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Best wishes -
>
> Trevor

Re: module choice

2003-08-11 by (i think you can figure that out)

It's all a matter of taste, but you've listed two of four modules in
the Serge system that I find to be truly unique and exceptional:
those being the Waveshaper and Phasor.

Serge's phasor is great as far as phasors go and I will go out on
a limb here and say that most all other Waveshapers out there
are an attempt to arrive at Serge's without simply duplicating the
circuitry behind it. What is does to sines waves is brilliant.

Not that you've asked, but the other two I find to be really
interesting is the Resonant Filter bank and the Wave Mult, both
Darrel Johansen's designs.

Re: module choice

2003-08-11 by (i think you can figure that out)

It's all a matter of taste, but you've listed two of four modules in
the Serge system that I find to be truly unique and exceptional:
those being the Waveshaper and Phasor.

Serge's phasor is great as far as phasors go and I will go out on
a limb here and say that most all other Waveshapers out there
are an attempt to arrive at Serge's without simply duplicating the
circuitry behind it. What is does to sines waves is brilliant.

Not that you've asked, but the other two I find to be really
interesting is the Resonant Filter bank and the Wave Mult, both
Darrel Johansen's designs.

Re: module choice

2003-08-11 by paradigmshiftbeats

Trevor,

I'm also in process of planning a panel (in this case, my second) and
based on what I've been contemplating, I'll share a couple of
suggestions for your consideration:

1) You may want to reevaluate your choice of Universal Audio
Processor as VCA/output mixer, given your intended processing
applications; the UAP offers only one stereo panning input, whereas
the Dual Channel Stereo Mixer (DCSM) offers two. With the Wilson
Analog Delay (WAD) and Frequency Shifter (FRS) as core modules, I
suspect you'll often find yourself wanting to vary the spatial
location of multiple outputs (i.e. the WAD delay A/B outputs, FRS
up/downshift, etc).

Pairing a DCSM with a Cross-fader (XFAD) or Active Processor (ACPR)
would, I think, allow you a lot of flexibility. For example, to mix
four signals to a stereo output pair, balance two signals using the
XFAD/ACPR, and then route its output to both DCSM aux inputs, which
leaves you with full voltage control of amplitude and panning for the
two standard DCSM channels. Alternatively, you could use the DCSM to
mix three mono channels (two VCA channels panned hard left, left aux
as third input), cross-fade between this mix and a fourth signal
using the XFAD/ACPR, and finally route the cross-fader output through
the DCSM right aux to your external mixer/recorder. The XFAD can also
be used as an inter-patch VCA, and the ACPR adds a handy voltage
processor/manual morph controller.

2) I believe the Wave Multipliers (VCM) offer you a wider range of
possibilities than the Triple Waveshapers: three distinct sub-modules
versus three identical waveshapers. Although it's been some time
since I worked with the latter module, you might find the Multipliers
more effective in processing external sounds than the Waveshapers,
which as I recall were generally more useful in synth patches.

3) Based on my experience with the modules you are considering and
the comments above, I would opt for the following complement:

WAD Wilson Analog Delay
FRS+ADP Frequency Shifter + Adaptors
DCSM Dual Channel Stereo Mixer
ACPR Active Processor
VCM Wave Multipliers
EQ Resonant Equalizer
DSG Dual Slope Generator

Best of luck with your selections, and let us know what you decide!

Chris

Re: module choice

2003-08-13 by darreljohansen

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure that
out)" <peter@b...> wrote:

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>...
> Not that you've asked, but the other two I find to be really
> interesting is the Resonant Filter bank and the Wave Mult, both
> Darrel Johansen's designs.

I have to disagree. Both nice modules, but all designs were
strictly Serge Tcherepnin's. The Wilson Analog delay was done by
Mr. Wilson.

The note about phaser feedback is good. I put an extra pot on the
front panel of my black panel system (see history files) to adjust
feedback.

Re: module choice

2003-08-13 by Peter Grenader

Whoops...shows you what I know, huh!

It was actually somebody else who informed me the Resonant Filter was D's
doing. The Wave Multiplier was my boo-boo, but founded in an assumption
from something I saw documented about it that was in Darrel's handwriting.

I have dropped and given you all 20 while facing Fontainebleau for these
errors. Seriously, this was my mistake and my bad, sorry.

darreljohansen wrote:

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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure that
out)" <peter@b...> wrote:

>...
> Not that you've asked, but the other two I find to be really
> interesting is the Resonant Filter bank and the Wave Mult, both
> Darrel Johansen's designs.

I have to disagree. Both nice modules, but all designs were
strictly Serge Tcherepnin's. The Wilson Analog delay was done by
Mr. Wilson.

The note about phaser feedback is good. I put an extra pot on the
front panel of my black panel system (see history files) to adjust
feedback.

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