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delays

2002-02-14 by cuari7

I have a question for the SMOG forum members: Has anyone had a chance
to compare the different available analog delays out there? More
specifically, the Serge WAD vs the Blacet Time Machine vs the Big
Briar MF-104. I have a Time Machine, which I love but is a little
noisy. The MF is no longer available, and I cannot afford another
Serge panel at this time. Let me know.
cuari

Re: [Serge Modular] delays

2002-02-14 by Les Mizzell

If you can be patient, Modcan will have a VC delay out by mid summer or a
little earlier.

ALL aspects will be VC-able, plus it will have a minimum delay time much
shorter than the Blacet delay. Will work with audio or VC signals.

I've spent an amount of time discussing this with Bruce, and had expressed
an interest in using a VC delay to do modular "acoustic modeling". As you
know, very short delay times are needed for this. Bruce studied the
situation and has designed a circuit to accomplish this. Max delay time is
going to be a "few seconds".... Projected price somewhere between US
$300-$400. Limited number going to be built as Bruce the parts were "almost
impossible to find".

Glad I already got a reserve in....

Les Mizzell

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Re: delays

2002-02-14 by John Loffink

All analog delays will be noisy. It is the nature of the Bucket Brigade
Devices that they use. They will also have severely restricted
bandwidth with longer delays. If you want noise free delay then digital
is your only choice. You won't see any improvement in that regard from
the Serge WAD or Big Briar MF-104. All of these units are based off of
the same noisy chips as the Time Machine.

John Loffink
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: cuari7 [mailto:medejd@...]
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> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SergeModular] delays
>
> I have a question for the SMOG forum members: Has anyone had a chance
> to compare the different available analog delays out there? More
> specifically, the Serge WAD vs the Blacet Time Machine vs the Big
> Briar MF-104. I have a Time Machine, which I love but is a little
> noisy. The MF is no longer available, and I cannot afford another
> Serge panel at this time. Let me know.
> cuari
>
>

Re: delays

2002-02-14 by Les Mizzell

The new Modcan should be about as quiet as an analog delay can get, as it
will use a compander noise reduction circuit.

I didn't like the Blacet or Moog myself as neither had a short enough
minimum delay value.

When I get mine I'll post a review for all to see....

Les Mizzell

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Re: delays

2002-02-15 by John Loffink

The Blacet Time Machine also uses a compander. There are simply limits
to what you can accomplish with BBDs.

John Loffink
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Les Mizzell [mailto:lesmizz@...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 6:52 PM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [SergeModular] delays
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>
> The new Modcan should be about as quiet as an analog delay can get, as

> will use a compander noise reduction circuit.
>
>
> I didn't like the Blacet or Moog myself as neither had a short enough
> minimum delay value.
>
> When I get mine I'll post a review for all to see....
>
> Les Mizzell
>

Re: delays

2002-02-15 by RFahl

I'm quite happy with my Time Machine. I can't compare it to other modular
delay lines, but I'm really pleased with it. I've gotten some rich,
interesting sounds out of it modulating it with sequenced VCOs.

I know that you can use the Serge WAD for delaying CVs, haven't tried it
with this beast yet. Seems like you could do some interesting "programmed"
sequences that way. I usually think of tape loops for audio sequencing, but
I remember reading that Morton Subotnick did some stuff with tape and EPROM
playback of CVs.... an analog delay would be a crude and organic version of
that.

R.

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Subject: [SergeModular] delays

> I have a question for the SMOG forum members: Has anyone had a chance
> to compare the different available analog delays out there? More
> specifically, the Serge WAD vs the Blacet Time Machine vs the Big
> Briar MF-104. I have a Time Machine, which I love but is a little
> noisy. The MF is no longer available, and I cannot afford another
> Serge panel at this time. Let me know.
> cuari
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Re: delays

2002-02-17 by alt-mode

Sorry to be late in responding on this thread...

I've played with all three delays although I haven't had too much time on the
Blacet. Depending on what you are doing, they all have their unique places.

I think the MF-104 is the most forgiving in that you can really work the knobs
without things getting out of control. It really has a great repeat that degrades
in a pleasing way. I don't think it is useful for short delay effects.

The Serge is still a bit of an enigma to me. I need to spend more time with it. It
has some great sounds and good control but I haven't hit the right musical use for
it. It can certainly warp a sound but I get mud more often than I like. Perhaps
I'm playing with longer delays than I should for the device. The control however is
excellent.

In my limited experience with the Blacet, I liked what I heard. There is a wide
range to work with and it didn't get too out of control but it certainly has ranges
that get a little carried away if you aren't careful.

Of course, if you don't need VC control, I think the Yamaha E-1010 is a superb
analog delay. I have one that I bought new in 1978 and it is still going strong
today. There is a certain character to the delay and chorus on this unit that I
haven't heard elsewhere.

Eric

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--- cuari7 <medejd@...> wrote:

> I have a question for the SMOG forum members: Has anyone had a chance
> to compare the different available analog delays out there? More
> specifically, the Serge WAD vs the Blacet Time Machine vs the Big
> Briar MF-104. I have a Time Machine, which I love but is a little
> noisy. The MF is no longer available, and I cannot afford another
> Serge panel at this time. Let me know.
> cuari
>

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Serge mini synth FS

2002-02-19 by C. Whitten

1 x Panel and TKB for sale.
The panel consists of:
1 x NTO, 1 x PCO, 1 x Ring Mod, 1 x PRC, 1 x QTKB, 1 x ADSR, 1 x VCFQ(X)
and 1 x DCSM.
I've had it from new (mid 1998) in a smoke free home studio.
The TKB was bought from a guy in LA. It's probably between 5 and 10 years
old although it is definitely STS vintage.
Both are in very good condition although the panel is probably slightly
nicer as it has just sat in my studio at home from new.
I'm looking to invest the cash in some other gear so I can't give them away.
Panel: $2,500 or £1,750
TKB: $1,125 or £780
The price reflects the condition.

Plus shipping of course.
Thx, Chris.