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2006-10-01 by cray5656
hi peter i am looking to buy your model 14 dual voltage processor, but just realised i have a dual processor on my serge, that i havent as yet used, with the lack of info out there for the serge dual processor is it very similar to your model 14, if so i will spend my money on the state filter instead.
2006-10-01 by (i think you can figure that out)
Hey Cray, whaddya say? Sorry. Anyway...the Model 14 is equal to a Serge Processor, a Peak and Through (which they don't make any longer) and a voltage controlled crossfader, much like the ones n his Equal Power Processor (not sure o what it's called now) So it M14 has more functionality than the Serge Processor. Plus you get the ifty dual color LEDs! Remember each of the M14 processors have three different outputs - sum (ala Serge Processor) max (outputs the highest voltage of inputs and min (the lowest voltage of the inputs). So you've got two of those -and- the corssfder, which is equal power transfer (no DB drop in the middle) and it can be patched out independantly of the processors - ou can se the crossfader as a standalone. (This is starting to sound like the hard sale at this point), but... another thing to keep in mind: havng two dual processos isn't the worst possible outcome on the planet. I've got eight! - P --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "cray5656" <amni56@...> wrote:
> > hi peter > > i am looking to buy your model 14 dual voltage processor, but just > realised i have a dual processor on my serge, that i havent as yet > used, with the lack of info out there for the serge dual processor is > it very similar to your model 14, if so i will spend my money on the > state filter instead. >
2006-10-02 by tommy_molotov
hey pete - another question about the model 14, specifically the min & max. say you have 2V going into input 1, 5V going into input 2, and nothing plugged into input 3. what's the min output going to be, 2V or 0V? t --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure that out)" <peter@...> wrote:
> > Hey Cray, whaddya say? > > Sorry. > > > Anyway...the Model 14 is equal to a Serge Processor, a Peak and > Through (which they don't make any longer) and a voltage controlled > crossfader, much like the ones n his Equal Power Processor (not sure o > what it's called now) So it M14 has more functionality than the Serge > Processor. Plus you get the ifty dual color LEDs! > > Remember each of the M14 processors have three different outputs - sum > (ala Serge Processor) max (outputs the highest voltage of inputs and > min (the lowest voltage of the inputs). So you've got two of those > -and- the corssfder, which is equal power transfer (no DB drop in the > middle) and it can be patched out independantly of the processors - ou > can se the crossfader as a standalone. > > (This is starting to sound like the hard sale at this point), but... > another thing to keep in mind: havng two dual processos isn't the > worst possible outcome on the planet. I've got eight! > > - P > > > > > > > --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "cray5656" <amni56@> wrote: > > > > hi peter > > > > i am looking to buy your model 14 dual voltage processor, but just > > realised i have a dual processor on my serge, that i havent as yet > > used, with the lack of info out there for the serge dual processor is > > it very similar to your model 14, if so i will spend my money on the > > state filter instead. > > >
2006-10-03 by (i think you can figure that out)
Hey tom. These are good quesitions. If these inputs are constant (DC), then: Max would be +5. Min would be ground But let's say the 5 volt input is DC and the 2 volt input is AC (+/- 2 volts), then: Max would be +5, min would be -2 Huh? The maximum output won't go lower than ground. The minimum on the other hand works the region from ground down, so it won't go higher than ground. They both rest at ground (no inputs in either 1, 2, 3 and no offset). So if you have an input that's not crossing below ground, the Min will rest at ground waiting. As soon as a single or multiple cross lower ground, then the Min will give you the lowest of those at any given time. Ditto for the Max out, but in reverse. If none of the inputs are above ground, the Max input is at rest. As soon as one or more are higher than ground, the Max will give you the highest voltage of the inputs at any given time. THis would be screwy if the offset pot wasn't configured the way it is. It's just that. At 12'o clock or therebouts (when the LED is not lit when there's no input activity), the offset is at null - there is no offset. as you turn the pot CW from there, it injects positive voltage into the mix - it raises the resting voltage up. So if you had no inputs going higher than ground, you can offset them upward so they do. When the offset pot is turned CCW from 12 o clock, it injexts a negative voltage into the mix, so you can offset your inputs downward, thus activate the min output when it would otherwise be resting. The moral is...there's a reason for the madness of having all those pots! hope this helps, - P --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "tommy_molotov" <tommy_molotov@...> wrote: > > hey pete - another question about the model 14, specifically the min & > max. say you have 2V going into input 1, 5V going into input 2, and > nothing plugged into input 3. what's the min output going to be, 2V or 0V? > > t > > > > > > --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure > that out)" <peter@> wrote: > > > > Hey Cray, whaddya say? > > > > Sorry. > > > > > > Anyway...the Model 14 is equal to a Serge Processor, a Peak and > > Through (which they don't make any longer) and a voltage controlled > > crossfader, much like the ones n his Equal Power Processor (not sure o > > what it's called now) So it M14 has more functionality than the Serge > > Processor. Plus you get the ifty dual color LEDs! > > > > Remember each of the M14 processors have three different outputs - sum > > (ala Serge Processor) max (outputs the highest voltage of inputs and > > min (the lowest voltage of the inputs). So you've got two of those > > -and- the corssfder, which is equal power transfer (no DB drop in the > > middle) and it can be patched out independantly of the processors - ou > > can se the crossfader as a standalone. > > > > (This is starting to sound like the hard sale at this point), but... > > another thing to keep in mind: havng two dual processos isn't the > > worst possible outcome on the planet. I've got eight! > > > > - P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "cray5656" <amni56@> wrote: > > > > > > hi peter > > > > > > i am looking to buy your model 14 dual voltage processor, but just > > > realised i have a dual processor on my serge, that i havent as yet > > > used, with the lack of info out there for the serge dual processor is
> > > it very similar to your model 14, if so i will spend my money on the > > > state filter instead. > > > > > >
2006-10-05 by tommy_molotov
--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure that out)" <peter@...> wrote: > hi pete, yeah i was only talking about DC in that example - but thanks, that clears things up lots. i've already decided i want one and i hadn't even considered using min&max at audio rates - i guess you could do some waveshaping stuff with min and max of one processor being mixed by the other... yum. any idea when schneider's/mesi will have them in? cheers, t > Hey tom. > > These are good quesitions. > > If these inputs are constant (DC), then: > > Max would be +5. Min would be ground > > But let's say the 5 volt input is DC and the 2 volt input is AC (+/- 2 > volts), then: > > Max would be +5, min would be -2 > > Huh? > > The maximum output won't go lower than ground. The minimum on the > other hand works the region from ground down, so it won't go higher > than ground. They both rest at ground (no inputs in either 1, 2, 3 > and no offset). > > So if you have an input that's not crossing below ground, the Min will > rest at ground waiting. As soon as a single or multiple cross lower > ground, then the Min will give you the lowest of those at any given > time. > > Ditto for the Max out, but in reverse. If none of the inputs are > above ground, the Max input is at rest. As soon as one or more are > higher than ground, the Max will give you the highest voltage of the > inputs at any given time. > > THis would be screwy if the offset pot wasn't configured the way it > is. It's just that. At 12'o clock or therebouts (when the LED is not > lit when there's no input activity), the offset is at null - there is > no offset. as you turn the pot CW from there, it injects positive > voltage into the mix - it raises the resting voltage up. So if you had > no inputs going higher than ground, you can offset them upward so they do. > > When the offset pot is turned CCW from 12 o clock, it injexts a > negative voltage into the mix, so you can offset your inputs downward, > thus activate the min output when it would otherwise be resting. > > The moral is...there's a reason for the madness of having all those pots! > > hope this helps, > > - P > > > > > > > > > > --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "tommy_molotov" > <tommy_molotov@> wrote: > > > > hey pete - another question about the model 14, specifically the min & > > max. say you have 2V going into input 1, 5V going into input 2, and > > nothing plugged into input 3. what's the min output going to be, 2V > or 0V? > > > > t > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure > > that out)" <peter@> wrote: > > > > > > Hey Cray, whaddya say? > > > > > > Sorry. > > > > > > > > > Anyway...the Model 14 is equal to a Serge Processor, a Peak and > > > Through (which they don't make any longer) and a voltage controlled > > > crossfader, much like the ones n his Equal Power Processor (not sure o > > > what it's called now) So it M14 has more functionality than the Serge > > > Processor. Plus you get the ifty dual color LEDs! > > > > > > Remember each of the M14 processors have three different outputs - sum > > > (ala Serge Processor) max (outputs the highest voltage of inputs and > > > min (the lowest voltage of the inputs). So you've got two of those > > > -and- the corssfder, which is equal power transfer (no DB drop in the > > > middle) and it can be patched out independantly of the processors - ou > > > can se the crossfader as a standalone. > > > > > > (This is starting to sound like the hard sale at this point), but... > > > another thing to keep in mind: havng two dual processos isn't the > > > worst possible outcome on the planet. I've got eight! > > > > > > - P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "cray5656" <amni56@> wrote: > > > > > > > > hi peter > > > > > > > > i am looking to buy your model 14 dual voltage processor, but just > > > > realised i have a dual processor on my serge, that i havent as yet > > > > used, with the lack of info out there for the serge dual > processor is > > > > it very similar to your model 14, if so i will spend my money on the
> > > > state filter instead. > > > > > > > > > >
2006-10-06 by thirteenflyingmonkeys
Actually, this is what Min/Max ciruits were originally developed for - 'loudest voice gets the mic' applications. And that's exactly what a Max circuit does with audio. The loudest one doesn't cancel out the others completely, but it attenuated them at least 15 dB or therebouts. it's way cool. So if you have three inputs, the one that's loudest starts to seriously kill the level of the others. - P --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "tommy_molotov" <tommy_molotov@...> wrote: > > --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure > that out)" <peter@> wrote: > > > hi pete, > > yeah i was only talking about DC in that example - but thanks, that > clears things up lots. i've already decided i want one and i hadn't > even considered using min&max at audio rates - i guess you could do > some waveshaping stuff with min and max of one processor being mixed > by the other... yum. any idea when schneider's/mesi will have them in? > > cheers, > t > > > Hey tom. > > > > These are good quesitions. > > > > If these inputs are constant (DC), then: > > > > Max would be +5. Min would be ground > > > > But let's say the 5 volt input is DC and the 2 volt input is AC (+/- 2 > > volts), then: > > > > Max would be +5, min would be -2 > > > > Huh? > > > > The maximum output won't go lower than ground. The minimum on the > > other hand works the region from ground down, so it won't go higher > > than ground. They both rest at ground (no inputs in either 1, 2, 3 > > and no offset). > > > > So if you have an input that's not crossing below ground, the Min will > > rest at ground waiting. As soon as a single or multiple cross lower > > ground, then the Min will give you the lowest of those at any given > > time. > > > > Ditto for the Max out, but in reverse. If none of the inputs are > > above ground, the Max input is at rest. As soon as one or more are > > higher than ground, the Max will give you the highest voltage of the > > inputs at any given time. > > > > THis would be screwy if the offset pot wasn't configured the way it > > is. It's just that. At 12'o clock or therebouts (when the LED is not > > lit when there's no input activity), the offset is at null - there is > > no offset. as you turn the pot CW from there, it injects positive > > voltage into the mix - it raises the resting voltage up. So if you had > > no inputs going higher than ground, you can offset them upward so > they do. > > > > When the offset pot is turned CCW from 12 o clock, it injexts a > > negative voltage into the mix, so you can offset your inputs downward, > > thus activate the min output when it would otherwise be resting. > > > > The moral is...there's a reason for the madness of having all those > pots! > > > > hope this helps, > > > > - P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "tommy_molotov" > > <tommy_molotov@> wrote: > > > > > > hey pete - another question about the model 14, specifically the min & > > > max. say you have 2V going into input 1, 5V going into input 2, and > > > nothing plugged into input 3. what's the min output going to be, 2V > > or 0V? > > > > > > t > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure > > > that out)" <peter@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Cray, whaddya say? > > > > > > > > Sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway...the Model 14 is equal to a Serge Processor, a Peak and > > > > Through (which they don't make any longer) and a voltage controlled > > > > crossfader, much like the ones n his Equal Power Processor (not > sure o > > > > what it's called now) So it M14 has more functionality than the > Serge > > > > Processor. Plus you get the ifty dual color LEDs! > > > > > > > > Remember each of the M14 processors have three different outputs > - sum > > > > (ala Serge Processor) max (outputs the highest voltage of inputs and > > > > min (the lowest voltage of the inputs). So you've got two of those > > > > -and- the corssfder, which is equal power transfer (no DB drop > in the > > > > middle) and it can be patched out independantly of the > processors - ou > > > > can se the crossfader as a standalone. > > > > > > > > (This is starting to sound like the hard sale at this point), but... > > > > another thing to keep in mind: havng two dual processos isn't the > > > > worst possible outcome on the planet. I've got eight! > > > > > > > > - P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "cray5656" <amni56@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > hi peter > > > > > > > > > > i am looking to buy your model 14 dual voltage processor, but just > > > > > realised i have a dual processor on my serge, that i havent as yet
> > > > > used, with the lack of info out there for the serge dual > > processor is > > > > > it very similar to your model 14, if so i will spend my money > on the > > > > > state filter instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2007-01-29 by jalmari3
--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure that out)" <peter@...> wrote: "THis would be screwy if the offset pot wasn't configured the way it is. It's just that. At 12'o clock or therebouts (when the LED is not lit when there's no input activity), the offset is at null - there is no offset. as you turn the pot CW from there, it injects positive voltage into the mix - it raises the resting voltage up. So if you had no inputs going higher than ground, you can offset them upward so they do. When the offset pot is turned CCW from 12 o clock, it injexts a negative voltage into the mix, so you can offset your inputs downward, thus activate the min output when it would otherwise be resting." Sorry, I can't get it to work. Let's say inputs are +1V and +2V and I want to get +1V (minimum) output. What exactly do I have to do? The offset pot doesn't seem to have any effect on min and max outputs. Best regards Jari Jokinen