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2007-10-28 by Scott Deyo

Hello Group!

I made a new folder of silkscreen designs for your perusal and comments. They are in 
Illustrator, so your Acrobat Reader should open them. If not, let me know. 
For the most part, holes are not shown, but you can imagine where they'd be in most 
cases.

Comments:
Analog Computer: 32 jacks of logic fun. The clock for the divider is shared w/ the ASR.

Bandpass Filterbank: 6 bandpass filters. Each output's switched jack goes to a mixer, 
whose output is connected to output 6. Each input is normalled to the next, so for 
"normal" filterbank use, you'd plug your input into jack one and take your output from jack 
six. 

VCO: Note there is now a Staircase Input, for use w/ SubOsc or whatever. It has not been 
tested and may need input conditioning.

CV Cluster: Pimp, no?

Gated Comparator: The Bit Disable is below where switches are, at the bottom of those 
vertical lines. Adds the offset switch, as per Ken's suggestion, and some attenuators.

Infinite/ Diatonic: A hybrid of MOTM and Tellun Small Pot spacing...

Master Divider: with clock through at the bottom. LED holes not shown.

Modulo Magic: Yup.

Saw PS: Includes the suggested output mixer, which can be used by itself. Up and Down PS 
are normalled to Inputs 3 and 4. 

SubOsc: This is not an easy build; I call it "spaghetti behind the scenes." A and B can be 
used separately, as well as muliplications/ additions via Mix Out, if A and B are taken out 
via the switches. 

ASM/ WRS: I don't know if I really understand this module, but here's a panel for it : )

Cheers,
Scott

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] proposed designs

2007-10-28 by mcb, inc.

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007, Scott Deyo wrote:

> Analog Computer: 32 jacks of logic fun. The clock for the divider is shared w/ the ASR.

More hybrid than analog, perhaps?  Maybe we could use an actual
analog computer module...

> VCO: Note there is now a Staircase Input, for use w/ SubOsc or whatever. It has not been
> tested and may need input conditioning.

What's this new quality called 'stairness'?

I will say, Ken's designs certainly don't lend themselves to
homologation of panel design.  :-)  (That's not a complaint...)

m

--
Monty Brandenberg

Re: proposed designs

2007-10-28 by clickmrmike

Scott-

I put my designs for a few of these on the 'ills site, particularly
the Subosc and the CV cluster, and switch matrix.  I tried to do
designs that would fit in reasonable panel space, usually 2U (MOTM
format).  Those might be worth looking at too.

clickmrmike

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Deyo" <contact@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello Group!
> 
> I made a new folder of silkscreen designs for your perusal and
comments. They are in 
> Illustrator, so your Acrobat Reader should open them. If not, let me
know. 
> For the most part, holes are not shown, but you can imagine where
they'd be in most 
> cases.
> 
> Comments:
> Analog Computer: 32 jacks of logic fun. The clock for the divider is
shared w/ the ASR.
> 
> Bandpass Filterbank: 6 bandpass filters. Each output's switched jack
goes to a mixer, 
> whose output is connected to output 6. Each input is normalled to
the next, so for 
> "normal" filterbank use, you'd plug your input into jack one and
take your output from jack 
> six. 
> 
> VCO: Note there is now a Staircase Input, for use w/ SubOsc or
whatever. It has not been 
> tested and may need input conditioning.
> 
> CV Cluster: Pimp, no?
> 
> Gated Comparator: The Bit Disable is below where switches are, at
the bottom of those 
> vertical lines. Adds the offset switch, as per Ken's suggestion, and
some attenuators.
> 
> Infinite/ Diatonic: A hybrid of MOTM and Tellun Small Pot spacing...
> 
> Master Divider: with clock through at the bottom. LED holes not shown.
> 
> Modulo Magic: Yup.
> 
> Saw PS: Includes the suggested output mixer, which can be used by
itself. Up and Down PS 
> are normalled to Inputs 3 and 4. 
> 
> SubOsc: This is not an easy build; I call it "spaghetti behind the
scenes." A and B can be 
> used separately, as well as muliplications/ additions via Mix Out,
if A and B are taken out 
> via the switches. 
> 
> ASM/ WRS: I don't know if I really understand this module, but
here's a panel for it : )
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> 
> Cheers,
> Scott
>

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: proposed designs

2007-10-29 by Scott Deyo

I see I need to delve further into www.dragonflyalley.com !
: )

I'll check 'em out. It's great to have feedback!

Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@...
www.bridechamber.com
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On Oct 28, 2007, at 5:26 PM, clickmrmike wrote:

> Scott-
>
>  I put my designs for a few of these on the 'ills site, particularly
>  the Subosc and the CV cluster, and switch matrix. I tried to do
>  designs that would fit in reasonable panel space, usually 2U (MOTM
>  format). Those might be worth looking at too.
>
>  clickmrmike
>
>  --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Deyo" <contact@...>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > Hello Group!
>  >
>  > I made a new folder of silkscreen designs for your perusal and
>  comments. They are in
>  > Illustrator, so your Acrobat Reader should open them. If not, let me
>  know.
>  > For the most part, holes are not shown, but you can imagine where
>  they'd be in most
>  > cases.
>  >
>  > Comments:
>  > Analog Computer: 32 jacks of logic fun. The clock for the divider is
>  shared w/ the ASR.
>  >
>  > Bandpass Filterbank: 6 bandpass filters. Each output's switched jack
>  goes to a mixer,
>  > whose output is connected to output 6. Each input is normalled to
>  the next, so for
>  > "normal" filterbank use, you'd plug your input into jack one and
>  take your output from jack
>  > six.
>  >
>  > VCO: Note there is now a Staircase Input, for use w/ SubOsc or
>  whatever. It has not been
>  > tested and may need input conditioning.
>  >
>  > CV Cluster: Pimp, no?
>  >
>  > Gated Comparator: The Bit Disable is below where switches are, at
>  the bottom of those
>  > vertical lines. Adds the offset switch, as per Ken's suggestion, and
>  some attenuators.
>  >
>  > Infinite/ Diatonic: A hybrid of MOTM and Tellun Small Pot spacing...
>  >
>  > Master Divider: with clock through at the bottom. LED holes not 
> shown.
>  >
>  > Modulo Magic: Yup.
>  >
>  > Saw PS: Includes the suggested output mixer, which can be used by
>  itself. Up and Down PS
>  > are normalled to Inputs 3 and 4.
>  >
>  > SubOsc: This is not an easy build; I call it "spaghetti behind the
>  scenes." A and B can be
>  > used separately, as well as muliplications/ additions via Mix Out,
>  if A and B are taken out
>  > via the switches.
>  >
>  > ASM/ WRS: I don't know if I really understand this module, but
>  here's a panel for it : )
>  >
>  > Cheers,
>  > Scott
>  >
>
>  
>

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] proposed designs

2007-10-29 by Scott Deyo

>
>  More hybrid than analog, perhaps? Maybe we could use an actual
>  analog computer module...

Do mean transistors instead of CMOS? Or tube logic? : )
I remember doing searches for analog computers on eBay, and there were 
some interesting old kits out there.

>
>  > VCO: Note there is now a Staircase Input, for use w/ SubOsc or 
> whatever. It has not been
>  > tested and may need input conditioning.
>
>  What's this new quality called 'stairness'?

I think Ken used that word -- it's funny! What the hell is it? Maybe 
summed subdivision that isn't quite pulled off right? Stairness: "The 
Real, Imperfect-though-Interesting Result of the Ideal Circuit's 
Behavior"?


>
>  I will say, Ken's designs certainly don't lend themselves to
>  homologation of panel design. :-) (That's not a complaint...)
>
>  m
>
>  --
>  Monty Brandenberg
> 
Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@...
www.bridechamber.com

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] proposed designs

2007-10-29 by mcb, inc.

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007, Scott Deyo wrote:

>>
>>  More hybrid than analog, perhaps? Maybe we could use an actual
>>  analog computer module...
>
> Do mean transistors instead of CMOS? Or tube logic? : )

That could be good.  I just bought a bunch of Soviet decatrons
and I'd like some eye tubes too.

> I remember doing searches for analog computers on eBay, and there were some 
> interesting old kits out there.

That's more what I'm thinking about.  I read through the story
and analysis of the Forbidden Planet soundtrack not too long
ago.  I want to try some things in the area Louis was working
in....

--
Monty Brandenberg

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] proposed designs

2007-10-30 by Scott Deyo

The Forbidden Planet stuff is fantastic -- organic and barely in 
control. I'll have to find that story you read.

That's the main draw of CGS stuff for me -- I don't always get the 
results I'd expect. It's like having a collaborator. I listened to 
Morton Subotnik a few months ago, and it was interesting to hear him 
describe his relationship w/ the Buchla.

Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@...
www.bridechamber.com
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On Oct 28, 2007, at 10:02 PM, mcb, inc. wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007, Scott Deyo wrote:
>
>  >>
>  >> More hybrid than analog, perhaps? Maybe we could use an actual
>  >> analog computer module...
>  >
>  > Do mean transistors instead of CMOS? Or tube logic? : )
>
>  That could be good. I just bought a bunch of Soviet decatrons
>  and I'd like some eye tubes too.
>
>  > I remember doing searches for analog computers on eBay, and there 
> were some
>  > interesting old kits out there.
>
>  That's more what I'm thinking about. I read through the story
>  and analysis of the Forbidden Planet soundtrack not too long
>  ago. I want to try some things in the area Louis was working
>  in....
>
>  --
>  Monty Brandenberg
>  
>

Re: proposed designs

2007-10-31 by adaaxs

You are so right.  moving away from filters et al is a brilliant way of finding new sorts of 
sounds.  I have a foot in both worlds coming from the time when e music was the familiar 
of prog along with jazz.  Metal is that familiar now.  And having a Buchla user on my now 
sold off record label along with a the first Moog user. Mixing the approaches could yield 
something totally new, like really new as opposed to new because you missed it or wasn't 
born new.


--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Deyo <contact@...> wrote:
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>
> The Forbidden Planet stuff is fantastic -- organic and barely in 
> control. I'll have to find that story you read.
> 
> That's the main draw of CGS stuff for me -- I don't always get the 
> results I'd expect. It's like having a collaborator. I listened to 
> Morton Subotnik a few months ago, and it was interesting to hear him 
> describe his relationship w/ the Buchla.
> 
> Scott Deyo
> The Bridechamber
> contact@...
> www.bridechamber.com
> 
> 
> On Oct 28, 2007, at 10:02 PM, mcb, inc. wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 28 Oct 2007, Scott Deyo wrote:
> >
> >  >>
> >  >> More hybrid than analog, perhaps? Maybe we could use an actual
> >  >> analog computer module...
> >  >
> >  > Do mean transistors instead of CMOS? Or tube logic? : )
> >
> >  That could be good. I just bought a bunch of Soviet decatrons
> >  and I'd like some eye tubes too.
> >
> >  > I remember doing searches for analog computers on eBay, and there 
> > were some
> >  > interesting old kits out there.
> >
> >  That's more what I'm thinking about. I read through the story
> >  and analysis of the Forbidden Planet soundtrack not too long
> >  ago. I want to try some things in the area Louis was working
> >  in....
> >
> >  --
> >  Monty Brandenberg
> >  
> >
>

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] proposed designs

2007-11-07 by James Elliott

I just now have had the opportunity to go over your synth panel proposals. Some are a little funky, but who cares? I like them - I know I'll be buying several (over time), if released: VCO, Analog Comp, CV Cluster, infinite diatonic, sub osc.

I'm really excited about the CGS VCO!

Question... Scott, you have a partial parts kit for the burst generator, are you planning on creating a panel for it?

----- Original Message ----
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From: Scott Deyo
To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:27:49 AM
Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] proposed designs

Hello Group!

I made a new folder of silkscreen designs for your perusal and comments. They are in
Illustrator, so your Acrobat Reader should open them. If not, let me know.
For the most part, holes are not shown, but you can imagine where they'd be in most
cases.

Comments:
Analog Computer: 32 jacks of logic fun. The clock for the divider is shared w/ the ASR.

Bandpass Filterbank: 6 bandpass filters. Each output's switched jack goes to a mixer,
whose output is connected to output 6. Each input is normalled to the next, so for
"normal" filterbank use, you'd plug your input into jack one and take your output from jack
six.

VCO: Note there is now a Staircase Input, for use w/ SubOsc or whatever. It has not been
tested and may need input conditioning.

CV Cluster: Pimp, no?

Gated Comparator: The Bit Disable is below where switches are, at the bottom of those
vertical lines. Adds the offset switch, as per Ken's suggestion, and some attenuators.

Infinite/ Diatonic: A hybrid of MOTM and Tellun Small Pot spacing...

Master Divider: with clock through at the bottom. LED holes not shown.

Modulo Magic: Yup.

Saw PS: Includes the suggested output mixer, which can be used by itself. Up and Down PS
are normalled to Inputs 3 and 4.

SubOsc: This is not an easy build; I call it "spaghetti behind the scenes." A and B can be
used separately, as well as muliplications/ additions via Mix Out, if A and B are taken out
via the switches.

ASM/ WRS: I don't know if I really understand this module, but here's a panel for it : )

Cheers,
Scott



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Re: [ModularSynthPanels] proposed designs

2007-11-07 by James Elliott

Scott, quick question.

What CGS PCBs are needed for the analog computer?
I think I see the Analog Shift Register and the VC Divider - however I'm confused as to what the other 4 sections are. 

Thanks,
Jim
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----- Original Message ----
From: Scott Deyo <contact@...>
To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2007 10:21:08 AM
Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] proposed designs


I'm working on the panel. I was trying to figure out how to fit 
everything on, and still have the rotary switch PCB-mounted, but I 
don't think it's possible -- not enough clearance, and the board is 
wider than 1U anyway.

A great module -- so many uses!

Cheers,
Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@...
www.bridechamber.com


On Nov 7, 2007, at 12:25 AM, James Elliott wrote:

> I just now have had the opportunity to go over your synth panel 
> proposals. Some are a little funky, but who cares? I like them - I 
> know I'll be buying several (over time), if released: VCO, Analog 
> Comp, CV Cluster, infinite diatonic, sub osc.
>
> I'm really excited about the CGS VCO!
>
> Question... Scott, you have a partial parts kit for the burst 
> generator, are you planning on creating a panel for it?
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Scott Deyo <contact@...>
> To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
> Sent:  Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:27:49 AM
> Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] proposed designs
>
>
> Hello Group!
>
>  I made a new folder of silkscreen designs for your perusal and 
> comments. They are in
>  Illustrator, so your Acrobat Reader should open them. If not, let me
 
> know.
>  For the most part, holes are not shown, but you can imagine where 
> they'd be in most
>  cases.
>
>  Comments:
>  Analog Computer: 32 jacks of logic fun. The clock for the divider is
 
> shared w/ the ASR.
>
>  Bandpass Filterbank: 6 bandpass filters. Each output's switched jack
 
> goes to a mixer,
>  whose output is connected to output 6. Each input is normalled to
 the 
> next, so for
>  "normal" filterbank use, you'd plug your input into jack one and
 take 
> your output from jack
>  six.
>
>  VCO: Note there is now a Staircase Input, for use w/ SubOsc or 
> whatever. It has not been
>  tested and may need input conditioning.
>
>  CV Cluster: Pimp, no?
>
>  Gated Comparator: The Bit Disable is below where switches are, at
 the 
> bottom of those
>  vertical lines. Adds the offset switch, as per Ken's suggestion, and
 
> some attenuators.
>
>  Infinite/ Diatonic: A hybrid of MOTM and Tellun Small Pot spacing...
>
>  Master Divider: with clock through at the bottom. LED holes not
 shown.
>
>  Modulo Magic: Yup.
>
>  Saw PS: Includes the suggested output mixer, which can be used by 
> itself. Up and Down PS
>  are normalled to Inputs 3 and 4.
>
>  SubOsc: This is not an easy build; I call it "spaghetti behind the 
> scenes." A and B can be
>  used separately, as well as muliplications/ additions via Mix Out,
 if 
> A and B are taken out
>  via the switches.
>
>  ASM/ WRS: I don't know if I really understand this module, but
 here's 
> a panel for it : )
>
>  Cheers,
>  Scott
>
>
>
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Re: [ModularSynthPanels] proposed designs

2007-11-07 by Scott Deyo

I'm working on the panel. I was trying to figure out how to fit 
everything on, and still have the rotary switch PCB-mounted, but I 
don't think it's possible -- not enough clearance, and the board is 
wider than 1U anyway.

A great module -- so many uses!

Cheers,
Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@...
www.bridechamber.com
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On Nov 7, 2007, at 12:25 AM, James Elliott wrote:

> I just now have had the opportunity to go over your synth panel 
> proposals. Some are a little funky, but who cares? I like them - I 
> know I'll be buying several (over time), if released: VCO, Analog 
> Comp, CV Cluster, infinite diatonic, sub osc.
>
> I'm really excited about the CGS VCO!
>
> Question... Scott, you have a partial parts kit for the burst 
> generator, are you planning on creating a panel for it?
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Scott Deyo <contact@...>
> To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
> Sent:  Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:27:49 AM
> Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] proposed designs
>
>
> Hello Group!
>
>  I made a new folder of silkscreen designs for your perusal and 
> comments. They are in
>  Illustrator, so your Acrobat Reader should open them. If not, let me 
> know.
>  For the most part, holes are not shown, but you can imagine where 
> they'd be in most
>  cases.
>
>  Comments:
>  Analog Computer: 32 jacks of logic fun. The clock for the divider is 
> shared w/ the ASR.
>
>  Bandpass Filterbank: 6 bandpass filters. Each output's switched jack 
> goes to a mixer,
>  whose output is connected to output 6. Each input is normalled to the 
> next, so for
>  "normal" filterbank use, you'd plug your input into jack one and take 
> your output from jack
>  six.
>
>  VCO: Note there is now a Staircase Input, for use w/ SubOsc or 
> whatever. It has not been
>  tested and may need input conditioning.
>
>  CV Cluster: Pimp, no?
>
>  Gated Comparator: The Bit Disable is below where switches are, at the 
> bottom of those
>  vertical lines. Adds the offset switch, as per Ken's suggestion, and 
> some attenuators.
>
>  Infinite/ Diatonic: A hybrid of MOTM and Tellun Small Pot spacing...
>
>  Master Divider: with clock through at the bottom. LED holes not shown.
>
>  Modulo Magic: Yup.
>
>  Saw PS: Includes the suggested output mixer, which can be used by 
> itself. Up and Down PS
>  are normalled to Inputs 3 and 4.
>
>  SubOsc: This is not an easy build; I call it "spaghetti behind the 
> scenes." A and B can be
>  used separately, as well as muliplications/ additions via Mix Out, if 
> A and B are taken out
>  via the switches.
>
>  ASM/ WRS: I don't know if I really understand this module, but here's 
> a panel for it : )
>
>  Cheers,
>  Scott
>
>
>
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Re: [ModularSynthPanels] proposed designs

2007-11-07 by Scott Deyo

Pulse Divider and Boolean Logic (not VC Divider; I'll come out w/ that 
later, another sweet module)
ASR
Gate Converter (which has the two comparators)
NOR/ XNOR

Cheers,
Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@...
www.bridechamber.com
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On Nov 7, 2007, at 9:30 AM, James Elliott wrote:

> Scott, quick question.
>
> What CGS PCBs are needed for the analog computer?
> I think I see the Analog Shift Register and the VC Divider - however 
> I'm confused as to what the other 4 sections are.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Scott Deyo <contact@...>
> To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2007 10:21:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] proposed designs
>
>  I'm working on the panel. I was trying to figure out how to fit
> everything on, and still have the rotary switch PCB-mounted, but I
> don't think it's possible -- not enough clearance, and the board is
> wider than 1U anyway.
>
> A great module -- so many uses!
>
> Cheers,
> Scott Deyo
> The Bridechamber
> contact@...
> www.bridechamber.com
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2007, at 12:25 AM, James Elliott wrote:
>
> > I just now have had the opportunity to go over your synth panel
> > proposals. Some are a little funky, but who cares? I like them - I
> > know I'll be buying several (over time), if released: VCO, Analog
> > Comp, CV Cluster, infinite diatonic, sub osc.
> >
> > I'm really excited about the CGS VCO!
> >
> > Question... Scott, you have a  partial parts kit for the burst
> > generator, are you planning on creating a panel for it?
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Scott Deyo <contact@...>
> > To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent:  Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:27:49 AM
> > Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] proposed designs
> >
> >
> > Hello Group!
> >
> >  I made a new folder of silkscreen designs for your perusal and
> > comments. They are in
> >  Illustrator, so your Acrobat Reader should open them. If not, let me
> > know.
> >  For the most part, holes are not shown, but you can imagine where
> > they'd be in most
> >  cases.
> >
> >  Comments:
> >  Analog Computer: 32 jacks of logic fun. The clock for the divider is
> > shared w/ the ASR.
> >
> >  Bandpass Filterbank: 6 bandpass filters. Each output's switched jack
> > goes to a mixer,
> >  whose output is connected to output 6. Each input is normalled to  
> the
> > next, so for
> >  "normal" filterbank use, you'd plug your input into jack one and  
> take
> > your output from jack
> >  six.
> >
> >  VCO: Note there is now a Staircase Input, for use w/ SubOsc or
> > whatever. It has not been
> >  tested and may need input conditioning.
> >
> >  CV Cluster: Pimp, no?
> >
> >  Gated Comparator: The Bit Disable is below where switches are, at  
> the
> > bottom of those
> >  vertical lines. Adds the offset switch, as per Ken's suggestion, and
> > some attenuators.
> >
> >  Infinite/ Diatonic: A hybrid of MOTM and Tellun Small Pot spacing...
> >
> >  Master Divider: with clock through at the bottom. LED holes not  
> shown.
> >
> >  Modulo Magic: Yup.
> >
> >  Saw PS: Includes the suggested output mixer, which can be used by
> > itself. Up and Down PS
> >  are normalled to Inputs 3 and 4.
> >
> >  SubOsc: This is not an easy build; I call it "spaghetti behind the
> > scenes." A and B can be
> >  used separately, as well as muliplications/ additions via Mix Out,  
> if
> > A and B are taken out
> >  via the switches.
> >
> >  ASM/ WRS: I don't know if I really understand this module, but  
> here's
> > a panel for it : )
> >
> >  Cheers,
> >  Scott
> >
> >
> >
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