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Europanel

Europanel

2012-08-25 by gino wong

Adaptor Panels

Since it is so much cheaper and so many people prefer to use little diddly 1/8 connectors and smt (not really DIY boards.)
It occurs to me that since the prosumer/ semipro market holds sway financially (and you can't blame them for that) I think we full size MOTM original, Moog, Synth.com form factor types need to adapt.

I did it with my Miniwave.  Lets come up with a system of adaptor panels.

Doepfer and all of the shit is cheaper and useful but like on an ARP the 1/8" plug/jack combo is a weak system that is more suited to a plug and forget setup, also if you are nearsighted like most folk, you are hosed. So I paralell wired the jacks to bigger jacks in the order of my choice. With most of these euro modules we are not talking primary modules for the most part anyway. You don't see anybody clamoring for a Dopefer or Analog Pittsburgh or whatever VCO,VCA, EG.

I understand that there hase to be a profit margin then things.  I also understand that as you go from tubes to transistors to chips and on you get a lessening of quality of unaugmented sound generation. Great for consumers, shit for pros (aka enlightened amateurs).

Until I find a cheap Ghielmetti matrix, this is my solution for these smaller modules. Making them one at a time is a pain in tha ass.

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC  
Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design




Re: Europanel

2012-08-25 by julianfincham

>> Lets come up with a system of adaptor panels.

Ages ago i cut a small adapter plate to fit my wiard noise ring into a euro system, before euro noise rings were availible.

I thought at the time about cutting some 5u adapter plates. It wouldnt be hard at all - cut a 5u panel and cut a recess for [x] hp of euro. A small adapter board could be made up to regulate the 15v down to 12v.


I *almost* made some, but then i worked out how long it would take to make them, and the voltage converter boards, the cost of all the bits and pieces (theyre not expensive, but when you get into cable parts etc. it all adds up) and then i thought about how much anyone would actually want to buy one for...

...and thats where it all went wrong.


So, its 100% possible to make a nice adapter panel, with the voltage regulator board etc - maybe with a 3.5mm to 6.35 set of jacks along the bottom etc. but i just figured they would have to cost too much to make it worth while - and then they wouldnt sell anyhow.


Id be real happy for someone to disagree with me, as i thought it was a nice idea, but i just couldnt make the numbers work.

Thanks,
Julian

www.thebeast.co.uk/cnc/

Re: Europanel

2012-08-26 by adaaxs

I absolutely can see your point Julian. I think that perhaps you are perhaps providing more service then you need to. I did it at first to accomodate my Miniwave when I discovered that Grant had sent me the very first unit signed and assembled and it was supposed to be a Wiard kit (and he built it on a Waveform City pcb !).

I know that there will be a Tellun Sword solution of some sort made. I assume it will be a step up.

I don't see the need for anyone but the module builder to mess with the voltage conversion of the the things. if it is really needed let BC make or one of us market a blivit pcb.

As far as I am concerned you and Scott should kust offer a window and four holes punched in a panel and then some will make turnaround cables, drill paralell jack holes, patchfield adaptor panels, Technosaurus type patch bays, digital , pin matrix etc.

Moog indavertently solved the problem years ago by putting cv and presets and mixers at the bottom of the cabinet, they used whatever space was left over for what was common or left over


--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "julianfincham" <port23.co.uk@...> wrote:
>
>
> >> Lets come up with a system of adaptor panels.
>
> Ages ago i cut a small adapter plate to fit my wiard noise ring into a euro system, before euro noise rings were availible.
>
> I thought at the time about cutting some 5u adapter plates. It wouldnt be hard at all - cut a 5u panel and cut a recess for [x] hp of euro. A small adapter board could be made up to regulate the 15v down to 12v.
>
>
> I *almost* made some, but then i worked out how long it would take to make them, and the voltage converter boards, the cost of all the bits and pieces (theyre not expensive, but when you get into cable parts etc. it all adds up) and then i thought about how much anyone would actually want to buy one for...
>
> ...and thats where it all went wrong.
>
>
> So, its 100% possible to make a nice adapter panel, with the voltage regulator board etc - maybe with a 3.5mm to 6.35 set of jacks along the bottom etc. but i just figured they would have to cost too much to make it worth while - and then they wouldnt sell anyhow.
>
>
> Id be real happy for someone to disagree with me, as i thought it was a nice idea, but i just couldnt make the numbers work.
>
> Thanks,
> Julian
>
> www.thebeast.co.uk/cnc/
>

Re: Europanel

2012-08-26 by Steve

A while ago I designed an adaptor panel for a 8hp euro module for a friend. I don't think it ever got used, so I just uploaded it to my files section - sduck - help yourself. It costs 36$ as is. It could easily be adapted to other sizes, although you'd need to do the research on sizes and mounting hole placement. I'd advise getting the module to be fitted first, and taking the measurements directly, so everything actually fits and there's adequate clearance around the edges.

As for power, you're going to have to figure out an adaptor on your own. Making a little protoboard thingie with the right adaptors and a 12v regulator is a fairly trivial project. If you're anticipating needing more than one perhaps a uZeus from tiptop audio is a good investment.

Me, I've done a few euro to 5U conversions, and have been very happy with them. But I also recently bought a tiptop audio Happy Endings kit, so should I acquire any more euro modules I can just stick them in there. So far, I've only used it as a test power supply.

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, gino wong <ginowong@...> wrote:
>
> Adaptor Panels
>
> Since it is so much cheaper and so many people prefer to use little diddly
> 1/8 connectors and smt (not really DIY boards.)
> It occurs to me that since the prosumer/ semipro market holds sway
> financially (and you can't blame them for that) I think we full size MOTM
> original, Moog, Synth.com form factor types need to adapt.
>
> I did it with my Miniwave. Lets come up with a system of adaptor panels.
>
> Doepfer and all of the shit is cheaper and useful but like on an ARP the
> 1/8" plug/jack combo is a weak system that is more suited to a plug and
> forget setup, also if you are nearsighted like most folk, you are hosed. So
> I paralell wired the jacks to bigger jacks in the order of my choice. With
> most of these euro modules we are not talking primary modules for the most
> part anyway. You don't see anybody clamoring for a Dopefer or Analog
> Pittsburgh or whatever VCO,VCA, EG.
>
> I understand that there hase to be a profit margin then things. I also
> understand that as you go from tubes to transistors to chips and on you get
> a lessening of quality of unaugmented sound generation. Great for
> consumers, shit for pros (aka enlightened amateurs).
>
> Until I find a cheap Ghielmetti matrix, this is my solution for these
> smaller modules. Making them one at a time is a pain in tha ass.
>
> *Gino Wong Birgelo*
> BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC
> *Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design*
>
> *Ginowong@...*
> *
> *
>