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Front Panel Designer Problem

2010-01-12 by krelnarb

I can no longer copy and paste in FPD 3.5. I get an error box with "Zur Zeit ist kein Standarddrucker gewahlt." in it. I uninstalled, downloaded another copy and installed that one but I still get the message.

I'm on a Mac running bootcamp on an XP partition. It worked fine when I first set it up but now, no. And online translators are no help with whatever "Standarddrucker gewahlt" is.

Thanks for any help or suggestions.

Re: Front Panel Designer Problem

2010-01-12 by Guy

It means that "you currently have not selected a default printer".

Whatever that means in the context of copy/pasting... I dunno. Don't use FPD.

_g


--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "krelnarb" <krelnarb@...> wrote:
>
> I can no longer copy and paste in FPD 3.5. I get an error box with "Zur Zeit ist kein Standarddrucker gewahlt." in it. I uninstalled, downloaded another copy and installed that one but I still get the message.
>
> I'm on a Mac running bootcamp on an XP partition. It worked fine when I first set it up but now, no. And online translators are no help with whatever "Standarddrucker gewahlt" is.
>
> Thanks for any help or suggestions.
>

Re: Front Panel Designer Problem

2010-01-12 by data2action

uh, this group was created to support the use of FPD to create synth panels and to share FPD files.


--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Guy" <guy@...> wrote:
>
>
> It means that "you currently have not selected a default printer".
>
> Whatever that means in the context of copy/pasting... I dunno. Don't use FPD.
>
> _g
>
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "krelnarb" <krelnarb@> wrote:
> >
> > I can no longer copy and paste in FPD 3.5. I get an error box with "Zur Zeit ist kein Standarddrucker gewahlt." in it. I uninstalled, downloaded another copy and installed that one but I still get the message.
> >
> > I'm on a Mac running bootcamp on an XP partition. It worked fine when I first set it up but now, no. And online translators are no help with whatever "Standarddrucker gewahlt" is.
> >
> > Thanks for any help or suggestions.
> >
>

Re: Front Panel Designer Problem

2010-01-12 by Guy

I didn't know this was an exclusive FPD-only group, sorry.

Quoting the description of this group:
"This is a forum and database about designing and building panels for modular synths. It's open to any format and any technique. Files for panels from Schaeffer/ FPE are in the Files. PCB/ kit sources are in the Links. Feel free to add a link to your own work. Welcome!"

I design (synth) fascia's too, though generally not in FPD format (for several reasons).
Thought I might learn something here, and perhaps help out wherever I can.

_g


--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "data2action" <fluxmonk@...> wrote:
>
> uh, this group was created to support the use of FPD to create synth panels and to share FPD files.
>
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Guy" <guy@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > It means that "you currently have not selected a default printer".
> >
> > Whatever that means in the context of copy/pasting... I dunno. Don't use FPD.
> >
> > _g
> >
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "krelnarb" <krelnarb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I can no longer copy and paste in FPD 3.5. I get an error box with "Zur Zeit ist kein Standarddrucker gewahlt." in it. I uninstalled, downloaded another copy and installed that one but I still get the message.
> > >
> > > I'm on a Mac running bootcamp on an XP partition. It worked fine when I first set it up but now, no. And online translators are no help with whatever "Standarddrucker gewahlt" is.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help or suggestions.
> > >
> >
>

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Front Panel Designer Problem

2010-01-12 by Scott Deyo

You're both right. It started for .fpd files, but now is for all panel design and fab advice, etc. 
Most folks use .fpd because it's easy, which is fine.
Any questions about FPE are good. Tell us what the solution is when you find it!
You could also ask Schaeffer/ FPE, or alert them to the problem.

We could use more posts on how folks are fabricating their own panels. 
Who out there makes their own? Any silkscreening advice, or what worked and what didn't work? 
I'm tired of all these damn Bridechamber posts! : )

Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
Jealous Edison Record Kompany




On Jan 12, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Guy wrote:

I didn't know this was an exclusive FPD-only group, sorry.

Quoting the description of this group:
"This is a forum and database about designing and building panels for modular synths. It's open to any format and any technique. Files for panels from Schaeffer/ FPE are in the Files. PCB/ kit sources are in the Links. Feel free to add a link to your own work. Welcome!"

I design (synth) fascia's too, though generally not in FPD format (for several reasons).
Thought I might learn something here, and perhaps help out wherever I can.

_g

--- In ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com, "data2action" <fluxmonk@.. .> wrote:
>
> uh, this group was created to support the use of FPD to create synth panels and to share FPD files. 
> 
> 
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com, "Guy" <guy@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > It means that "you currently have not selected a default printer".
> > 
> > Whatever that means in the context of copy/pasting. .. I dunno. Don't use FPD.
> > 
> > _g
> > 
> > 
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com, "krelnarb" <krelnarb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I can no longer copy and paste in FPD 3.5. I get an error box with "Zur Zeit ist kein Standarddrucker gewahlt." in it. I uninstalled, downloaded another copy and installed that one but I still get the message.
> > > 
> > > I'm on a Mac running bootcamp on an XP partition. It worked fine when I first set it up but now, no. And online translators are no help with whatever "Standarddrucker gewahlt" is.
> > > 
> > > Thanks for any help or suggestions.
> > >
> >
>


Re: Front Panel Designer Problem

2010-01-12 by Guy

The reasons why I prefer not using FPD, in no particular order:

- I'm a Mac-head. Though possible, I do not like booting into Windows. •_º
- Schaeffer panels are expensive.
- They are not very precise.
- The software sucks, sorry to say.
- The resulting vector files are ehm, really ugly. Rough. Un-vector-like.
- Options for materials are quite limited.
- It's engraved.
- etc...

For my own panels, I use laser "drilling" and "etching", on stainless steel sheet metal.
Precise to 1/100th of a mm. No limits on graphics (but uninterrupted lines can only be 16cm long). Legibility easily down to 3pt fontsize (not that *I* can read that, but the laser can). Labeling will never ever go away, scratch, fade or anything else. Labeling (the graphics) has no depth nor thickness - "it's just there" (turn over your cooking pots, and you'll see, and feel).
SS can be micro-welded, and the surface comes in many options (brushed, glossy, really shiny, matte, anodized, etc).
It's relatively cheap. Cheaper than Schaeffer, and that includes the PCB support (see photos).

The only disadvantages I can think of, are:
- Don't even think of making (minor or major) corrections afterwards. Unless you have the equipment, there's no way you're gone file it or drill it yourself.
- It's rather heavy (then again: it feels very solid, and can be thinner than alu 'cause it's stronger).
- it will survive me by at least 500 years, so my great-great-great-great-grandchildren will still be able to read all the mistakes I did with the labeling.

Here's a few shots of the 2nd prototype panel:
(note: the final panels will be slightly less shiny)

http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/proto-2.jpg

http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/lfo_wired.jpg (please forgive the messy wiring)

These are old-style Serge 7" inspired panels, with a 1x1" grid.

_g


--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Deyo <contact@...> wrote:
>
> You're both right. It started for .fpd files, but now is for all panel
> design and fab advice, etc.
> Most folks use .fpd because it's easy, which is fine.
> Any questions about FPE are good. Tell us what the solution is when
> you find it!
> You could also ask Schaeffer/ FPE, or alert them to the problem.
>
> We could use more posts on how folks are fabricating their own panels.
> Who out there makes their own? Any silkscreening advice, or what
> worked and what didn't work?
> I'm tired of all these damn Bridechamber posts! : )
>
> Scott Deyo
> contact@...
> The Bridechamber
> www.bridechamber.com
> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> www.jealousedison.com
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Guy wrote:
>
> > I didn't know this was an exclusive FPD-only group, sorry.
> >
> > Quoting the description of this group:
> > "This is a forum and database about designing and building panels
> > for modular synths. It's open to any format and any technique. Files
> > for panels from Schaeffer/ FPE are in the Files. PCB/ kit sources
> > are in the Links. Feel free to add a link to your own work. Welcome!"
> >
> > I design (synth) fascia's too, though generally not in FPD format
> > (for several reasons).
> > Thought I might learn something here, and perhaps help out wherever
> > I can.
> >
> > _g
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "data2action"
> > <fluxmonk@> wrote:
> > >
> > > uh, this group was created to support the use of FPD to create
> > synth panels and to share FPD files.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Guy" <guy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It means that "you currently have not selected a default printer".
> > > >
> > > > Whatever that means in the context of copy/pasting... I dunno.
> > Don't use FPD.
> > > >
> > > > _g
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "krelnarb"
> > <krelnarb@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I can no longer copy and paste in FPD 3.5. I get an error box
> > with "Zur Zeit ist kein Standarddrucker gewahlt." in it. I
> > uninstalled, downloaded another copy and installed that one but I
> > still get the message.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm on a Mac running bootcamp on an XP partition. It worked
> > fine when I first set it up but now, no. And online translators are
> > no help with whatever "Standarddrucker gewahlt" is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for any help or suggestions.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Front Panel Designer Problem

2010-01-12 by Scott Deyo

Great work, Guy! They really are great-looking, and you have the unicorn too!!!!!

What do you use? Do you make them yourself, or design them and get them from a shop?
I should see if my new metal guys do that. That would be great for Euro modules!

Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
Jealous Edison Record Kompany




On Jan 12, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Guy wrote:

The reasons why I prefer not using FPD, in no particular order:

- I'm a Mac-head. Though possible, I do not like booting into Windows. •_º
- Schaeffer panels are expensive.
- They are not very precise.
- The software sucks, sorry to say.
- The resulting vector files are ehm, really ugly. Rough. Un-vector-like.
- Options for materials are quite limited.
- It's engraved.
- etc...

For my own panels, I use laser "drilling" and "etching", on stainless steel sheet metal.
Precise to 1/100th of a mm. No limits on graphics (but uninterrupted lines can only be 16cm long). Legibility easily down to 3pt fontsize (not that *I* can read that, but the laser can). Labeling will never ever go away, scratch, fade or anything else. Labeling (the graphics) has no depth nor thickness - "it's just there" (turn over your cooking pots, and you'll see, and feel).
SS can be micro-welded, and the surface comes in many options (brushed, glossy, really shiny, matte, anodized, etc).
It's relatively cheap. Cheaper than Schaeffer, and that includes the PCB support (see photos).

The only disadvantages I can think of, are:
- Don't even think of making (minor or major) corrections afterwards. Unless you have the equipment, there's no way you're gone file it or drill it yourself.
- It's rather heavy (then again: it feels very solid, and can be thinner than alu 'cause it's stronger).
- it will survive me by at least 500 years, so my great-great- great-great- grandchildren will still be able to read all the mistakes I did with the labeling.

Here's a few shots of the 2nd prototype panel:
(note: the final panels will be slightly less shiny)

http://www.guyd2. com/stuff/ proto-2.jpg

http://www.guyd2. com/stuff/ lfo_wired. jpg (please forgive the messy wiring)

These are old-style Serge 7" inspired panels, with a 1x1" grid.

_g

--- In ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com, Scott Deyo <contact@... > wrote:
>
> You're both right. It started for .fpd files, but now is for all panel 
> design and fab advice, etc.
> Most folks use .fpd because it's easy, which is fine.
> Any questions about FPE are good. Tell us what the solution is when 
> you find it!
> You could also ask Schaeffer/ FPE, or alert them to the problem.
> 
> We could use more posts on how folks are fabricating their own panels.
> Who out there makes their own? Any silkscreening advice, or what 
> worked and what didn't work?
> I'm tired of all these damn Bridechamber posts! : )
> 
> Scott Deyo
> contact@...
> The Bridechamber
> www.bridechamber. com
> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> www.jealousedison. com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Guy wrote:
> 
> > I didn't know this was an exclusive FPD-only group, sorry.
> >
> > Quoting the description of this group:
> > "This is a forum and database about designing and building panels 
> > for modular synths. It's open to any format and any technique. Files 
> > for panels from Schaeffer/ FPE are in the Files. PCB/ kit sources 
> > are in the Links. Feel free to add a link to your own work. Welcome!"
> >
> > I design (synth) fascia's too, though generally not in FPD format 
> > (for several reasons).
> > Thought I might learn something here, and perhaps help out wherever 
> > I can.
> >
> > _g
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com, "data2action" 
> > <fluxmonk@> wrote:
> > >
> > > uh, this group was created to support the use of FPD to create 
> > synth panels and to share FPD files.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com, "Guy" <guy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It means that "you currently have not selected a default printer".
> > > >
> > > > Whatever that means in the context of copy/pasting. .. I dunno. 
> > Don't use FPD.
> > > >
> > > > _g
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com, "krelnarb" 
> > <krelnarb@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I can no longer copy and paste in FPD 3.5. I get an error box 
> > with "Zur Zeit ist kein Standarddrucker gewahlt." in it. I 
> > uninstalled, downloaded another copy and installed that one but I 
> > still get the message.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm on a Mac running bootcamp on an XP partition. It worked 
> > fine when I first set it up but now, no. And online translators are 
> > no help with whatever "Standarddrucker gewahlt" is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for any help or suggestions.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>


Re: Front Panel Designer Problem

2010-01-12 by Guy

Thanks, Scott. It's appreciated.

Everything is designed in Illustrator, and then converted to DXF or DRM files.

I'd love to do this myself (and be a bit of a competitor to you. Erm, not), but those industrial laser machines would hardly fit in my house. They're massive, plus they're fed by ginormous generators producing thousands of Watts. The laser can cut through solid 20cm alu panels like a knife through butter. It's really a specialized industry on its own, but I see those "laser factories" popping up more and more, so I think it would be worth investigating a bit.

cheers,
_g


--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Deyo <contact@...> wrote:
>
> Great work, Guy! They really are great-looking, and you have the
> unicorn too!!!!!
>
> What do you use? Do you make them yourself, or design them and get
> them from a shop?
> I should see if my new metal guys do that. That would be great for
> Euro modules!
>
> Scott Deyo
> contact@...
> The Bridechamber
> www.bridechamber.com
> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> www.jealousedison.com
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Guy wrote:
>
> > The reasons why I prefer not using FPD, in no particular order:
> >
> > - I'm a Mac-head. Though possible, I do not like booting into
> > Windows. •_º
> > - Schaeffer panels are expensive.
> > - They are not very precise.
> > - The software sucks, sorry to say.
> > - The resulting vector files are ehm, really ugly. Rough. Un-vector-
> > like.
> > - Options for materials are quite limited.
> > - It's engraved.
> > - etc...
> >
> > For my own panels, I use laser "drilling" and "etching", on
> > stainless steel sheet metal.
> > Precise to 1/100th of a mm. No limits on graphics (but uninterrupted
> > lines can only be 16cm long). Legibility easily down to 3pt fontsize
> > (not that *I* can read that, but the laser can). Labeling will never
> > ever go away, scratch, fade or anything else. Labeling (the
> > graphics) has no depth nor thickness - "it's just there" (turn over
> > your cooking pots, and you'll see, and feel).
> > SS can be micro-welded, and the surface comes in many options
> > (brushed, glossy, really shiny, matte, anodized, etc).
> > It's relatively cheap. Cheaper than Schaeffer, and that includes the
> > PCB support (see photos).
> >
> > The only disadvantages I can think of, are:
> > - Don't even think of making (minor or major) corrections
> > afterwards. Unless you have the equipment, there's no way you're
> > gone file it or drill it yourself.
> > - It's rather heavy (then again: it feels very solid, and can be
> > thinner than alu 'cause it's stronger).
> > - it will survive me by at least 500 years, so my great-great-great-
> > great-grandchildren will still be able to read all the mistakes I
> > did with the labeling.
> >
> > Here's a few shots of the 2nd prototype panel:
> > (note: the final panels will be slightly less shiny)
> >
> > http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/proto-2.jpg
> >
> > http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/lfo_wired.jpg (please forgive the messy
> > wiring)
> >
> > These are old-style Serge 7" inspired panels, with a 1x1" grid.
> >
> > _g
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Deyo <contact@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > You're both right. It started for .fpd files, but now is for all
> > panel
> > > design and fab advice, etc.
> > > Most folks use .fpd because it's easy, which is fine.
> > > Any questions about FPE are good. Tell us what the solution is when
> > > you find it!
> > > You could also ask Schaeffer/ FPE, or alert them to the problem.
> > >
> > > We could use more posts on how folks are fabricating their own
> > panels.
> > > Who out there makes their own? Any silkscreening advice, or what
> > > worked and what didn't work?
> > > I'm tired of all these damn Bridechamber posts! : )
> > >
> > > Scott Deyo
> > > contact@
> > > The Bridechamber
> > > www.bridechamber.com
> > > Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> > > www.jealousedison.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 12, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Guy wrote:
> > >
> > > > I didn't know this was an exclusive FPD-only group, sorry.
> > > >
> > > > Quoting the description of this group:
> > > > "This is a forum and database about designing and building panels
> > > > for modular synths. It's open to any format and any technique.
> > Files
> > > > for panels from Schaeffer/ FPE are in the Files. PCB/ kit sources
> > > > are in the Links. Feel free to add a link to your own work.
> > Welcome!"
> > > >
> > > > I design (synth) fascia's too, though generally not in FPD format
> > > > (for several reasons).
> > > > Thought I might learn something here, and perhaps help out
> > wherever
> > > > I can.
> > > >
> > > > _g
> > > >
> > > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "data2action"
> > > > <fluxmonk@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > uh, this group was created to support the use of FPD to create
> > > > synth panels and to share FPD files.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Guy" <guy@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It means that "you currently have not selected a default
> > printer".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Whatever that means in the context of copy/pasting... I dunno.
> > > > Don't use FPD.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _g
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "krelnarb"
> > > > <krelnarb@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can no longer copy and paste in FPD 3.5. I get an error
> > box
> > > > with "Zur Zeit ist kein Standarddrucker gewahlt." in it. I
> > > > uninstalled, downloaded another copy and installed that one but I
> > > > still get the message.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm on a Mac running bootcamp on an XP partition. It worked
> > > > fine when I first set it up but now, no. And online translators
> > are
> > > > no help with whatever "Standarddrucker gewahlt" is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for any help or suggestions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Front Panel Designer Problem

2010-01-12 by julianfincham

> I'm tired of all these damn Bridechamber posts! : )



Hehe...

Although i lurk here, i dont really post as i assumed this was a group run by bride chamber, and i thought it would be in poor taste to start muttering about cnc work.

CNC engraving will never be able to match screening on price for bulk orders, and screening will never be able to match CNC work on 1-off pricing.

So, although theyre different routes to the same end, i dont think that they will ever compete with one another on the same job.

I was surprised at Guy's comment about Schaeffer being inaccurate?

>>They are not very precise.

Guy, could you enlarge on that? Ive heard some complaints about shaeffer in the past, but not really heard why.

(There is no real reason i can see why the positioning [of the cutter, be it laser or mechanical] should be any different with either technique)

Its simple as im curious - im not trying to stand up for Shaeffer or anything!


>>http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/proto-2.jpg

Ill see your unicorns head, and raise you the same -

http://www.thebeast.co.uk/cnc/DSCF4271.jpg

; )


(Oh, and, for those unfamiliar with the scaling of british money, thats a 1 pence piece, about 20mm dia. The eurorack mounting hole is mounting hole 3.5mm vertical dia )

Re: Front Panel Designer Problem

2010-01-12 by Guy

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "julianfincham" <julian@...> wrote:
>
> > I'm tired of all these damn Bridechamber posts! : )
>
> Hehe...
>
> Although i lurk here, i dont really post as i assumed this was a group run by bride chamber, and i thought it would be in poor taste to start muttering about cnc work.
>
> CNC engraving will never be able to match screening on price for bulk orders, and screening will never be able to match CNC work on 1-off pricing.
>
> So, although theyre different routes to the same end, i dont think that they will ever compete with one another on the same job.
>
> I was surprised at Guy's comment about Schaeffer being inaccurate?
>
> >>They are not very precise.
>
> Guy, could you enlarge on that? Ive heard some complaints about shaeffer in the past, but not really heard why.


Well, perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "precise", but rather "rough" instead.
I had an exported-from-FPD file here (can't recall which format), and I noticed that for instance a circle actually gets drawn as a bunch of small straight lines in a circular pattern, instead of 1 smooth line (as I expect from a vectorial output). Almost looked like bad bitmap art... badly enough to turn me away from FPD.
Though I have to admit I don't know how this gets translated to the actual CNC machines. Maybe it converts it back to vectors ?

>
> (There is no real reason i can see why the positioning [of the cutter, be it laser or mechanical] should be any different with either technique)
>
> Its simple as im curious - im not trying to stand up for Shaeffer or anything!

Me neither (well, ehm, the opposite).
It seems to get the job done for most synth DIYers, in a satisfying way, so we're all cool.

>
>
> >>http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/proto-2.jpg
>
> Ill see your unicorns head, and raise you the same -
>
> http://www.thebeast.co.uk/cnc/DSCF4271.jpg
>
> ; )

Ha, my unicorn is bigger than yours ! ;-p

Very nicely done panel. Is that a 2mm alu slab ? (I use 1mm SS, which doesn't even flex)
The corner rounding is just sweet.
You did this yourself ?

cheers,
-g

>
>
> (Oh, and, for those unfamiliar with the scaling of british money, thats a 1 pence piece, about 20mm dia. The eurorack mounting hole is mounting hole 3.5mm vertical dia )
>

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Front Panel Designer Problem

2010-01-12 by waveguide@earthlink.net

Guy,

Who do you use to laser etch?


-----Original Message-----
From: Guy
Sent: Jan 12, 2010 12:41 PM
To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Front Panel Designer Problem

 



--- In ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com, "julianfincham" <julian@...> wrote:
>
> > I'm tired of all these damn Bridechamber posts! : )
>
> Hehe...
>
> Although i lurk here, i dont really post as i assumed this was a group run by bride chamber, and i thought it would be in poor taste to start muttering about cnc work.
>
> CNC engraving will never be able to match screening on price for bulk orders, and screening will never be able to match CNC work on 1-off pricing.
>
> So, although theyre different routes to the same end, i dont think that they will ever compete with one another on the same job.
>
> I was surprised at Guy's comment about Schaeffer being inaccurate?
>
> >>They are not very precise.
>
> Guy, could you enlarge on that? Ive heard some complaints about shaeffer in the past, but not really heard why.

Well, perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "precise", but rather "rough" instead.
I had an exported-from- FPD file here (can't recall which format), and I noticed that for instance a circle actually gets drawn as a bunch of small straight lines in a circular pattern, instead of 1 smooth line (as I expect from a vectorial output). Almost looked like bad bitmap art... badly enough to turn me away from FPD.
Though I have to admit I don't know how this gets translated to the actual CNC machines. Maybe it converts it back to vectors ?

>
> (There is no real reason i can see why the positioning [of the cutter, be it laser or mechanical] should be any different with either technique)
>
> Its simple as im curious - im not trying to stand up for Shaeffer or anything!

Me neither (well, ehm, the opposite).
It seems to get the job done for most synth DIYers, in a satisfying way, so we're all cool.

>
>
> >>http://www.guyd2. com/stuff/ proto-2.jpg
>
> Ill see your unicorns head, and raise you the same -
>
> http://www.thebeast .co.uk/cnc/ DSCF4271. jpg
>
> ; )

Ha, my unicorn is bigger than yours ! ;-p

Very nicely done panel. Is that a 2mm alu slab ? (I use 1mm SS, which doesn't even flex)
The corner rounding is just sweet.
You did this yourself ?

cheers,
-g

>
>
> (Oh, and, for those unfamiliar with the scaling of british money, thats a 1 pence piece, about 20mm dia. The eurorack mounting hole is mounting hole 3.5mm vertical dia )
>

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Front Panel Designer Problem

2010-01-12 by waveguide@earthlink.net

The lasers used at one etching place I found are about 25K. They could sit in an small office space and be mistaken for a photocopier.


-----Original Message-----
From: Guy
Sent: Jan 12, 2010 10:14 AM
To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Front Panel Designer Problem

 

Thanks, Scott. It's appreciated.

Everything is designed in Illustrator, and then converted to DXF or DRM files.

I'd love to do this myself (and be a bit of a competitor to you. Erm, not), but those industrial laser machines would hardly fit in my house. They're massive, plus they're fed by ginormous generators producing thousands of Watts. The laser can cut through solid 20cm alu panels like a knife through butter. It's really a specialized industry on its own, but I see those "laser factories" popping up more and more, so I think it would be worth investigating a bit.

cheers,
_g

--- In ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com, Scott Deyo <contact@... > wrote:
>
> Great work, Guy! They really are great-looking, and you have the
> unicorn too!!!!!
>
> What do you use? Do you make them yourself, or design them and get
> them from a shop?
> I should see if my new metal guys do that. That would be great for
> Euro modules!
>
> Scott Deyo
> contact@...
> The Bridechamber
> www.bridechamber. com
> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> www.jealousedison. com
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Guy wrote:
>
> > The reasons why I prefer not using FPD, in no particular order:
> >
> > - I'm a Mac-head. Though possible, I do not like booting into
> > Windows. •_º
> > - Schaeffer panels are expensive.
> > - They are not very precise.
> > - The software sucks, sorry to say.
> > - The resulting vector files are ehm, really ugly. Rough. Un-vector-
> > like.
> > - Options for materials are quite limited.
> > - It's engraved.
> > - etc...
> >
> > For my own panels, I use laser "drilling" and "etching", on
> > stainless steel sheet metal.
> > Precise to 1/100th of a mm. No limits on graphics (but uninterrupted
> > lines can only be 16cm long). Legibility easily down to 3pt fontsize
> > (not that *I* can read that, but the laser can). Labeling will never
> > ever go away, scratch, fade or anything else. Labeling (the
> > graphics) has no depth nor thickness - "it's just there" (turn over
> > your cooking pots, and you'll see, and feel).
> > SS can be micro-welded, and the surface comes in many options
> > (brushed, glossy, really shiny, matte, anodized, etc).
> > It's relatively cheap. Cheaper than Schaeffer, and that includes the
> > PCB support (see photos).
> >
> > The only disadvantages I can think of, are:
> > - Don't even think of making (minor or major) corrections
> > afterwards. Unless you have the equipment, there's no way you're
> > gone file it or drill it yourself.
> > - It's rather heavy (then again: it feels very solid, and can be
> > thinner than alu 'cause it's stronger).
> > - it will survive me by at least 500 years, so my great-great- great-
> > great-grandchildren will still be able to read all the mistakes I
> > did with the labeling.
> >
> > Here's a few shots of the 2nd prototype panel:
> > (note: the final panels will be slightly less shiny)
> >
> > http://www.guyd2. com/stuff/ proto-2.jpg
> >
> > http://www.guyd2. com/stuff/ lfo_wired. jpg (please forgive the messy
> > wiring)
> >
> > These are old-style Serge 7" inspired panels, with a 1x1" grid.
> >
> > _g
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com, Scott Deyo <contact@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > You're both right. It started for .fpd files, but now is for all
> > panel
> > > design and fab advice, etc.
> > > Most folks use .fpd because it's easy, which is fine.
> > > Any questions about FPE are good. Tell us what the solution is when
> > > you find it!
> > > You could also ask Schaeffer/ FPE, or alert them to the problem.
> > >
> > > We could use more posts on how folks are fabricating their own
> > panels.
> > > Who out there makes their own? Any silkscreening advice, or what
> > > worked and what didn't work?
> > > I'm tired of all these damn Bridechamber posts! : )
> > >
> > > Scott Deyo
> > > contact@
> > > The Bridechamber
> > > www.bridechamber. com
> > > Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> > > www.jealousedison. com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 12, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Guy wrote:
> > >
> > > > I didn't know this was an exclusive FPD-only group, sorry.
> > > >
> > > > Quoting the description of this group:
> > > > "This is a forum and database about designing and building panels
> > > > for modular synths. It's open to any format and any technique.
> > Files
> > > > for panels from Schaeffer/ FPE are in the Files. PCB/ kit sources
> > > > are in the Links. Feel free to add a link to your own work.
> > Welcome!"
> > > >
> > > > I design (synth) fascia's too, though generally not in FPD format
> > > > (for several reasons).
> > > > Thought I might learn something here, and perhaps help out
> > wherever
> > > > I can.
> > > >
> > > > _g
> > > >
> > > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com, "data2action"
> > > > <fluxmonk@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > uh, this group was created to support the use of FPD to create
> > > > synth panels and to share FPD files.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com, "Guy" <guy@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It means that "you currently have not selected a default
> > printer".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Whatever that means in the context of copy/pasting. .. I dunno.
> > > > Don't use FPD.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _g
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com, "krelnarb"
> > > > <krelnarb@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can no longer copy and paste in FPD 3.5. I get an error
> > box
> > > > with "Zur Zeit ist kein Standarddrucker gewahlt." in it. I
> > > > uninstalled, downloaded another copy and installed that one but I
> > > > still get the message.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm on a Mac running bootcamp on an XP partition. It worked
> > > > fine when I first set it up but now, no. And online translators
> > are
> > > > no help with whatever "Standarddrucker gewahlt" is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for any help or suggestions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Front Panel Designer Problem

2010-01-12 by Guy

Tulip Laser, Antwerp, Belgium.
Semi-large industrial shop. They seem to be happy to do "something different".

_g




>Guy,

>Who do you use to laser etch?

Re: Front Panel Designer Problem

2010-01-13 by data2action

sorry, only meant to say that questions abt FPD are appropriate and weclome here. i guess i overreacted to the advice "don't use FPD", which seemed out of line.

i've been doing more panels in FPD lately... it has all the disadvantages guy mentioned (expensive, in-elegant software, windoze, etc.), but it's accessible, the software is free, and the results look sharp. when i figure in my time & annoyance as well, or compare to commercially available panels, they aren't all that expensive.

but i've done the vast majority of my panels (over 100) by printing out designs on paper, mounting onto thick doublesided PCB material (for ease of working, i don't have access to sheetmetal tools), and covering with either matte spray or self-adhesive laminate film. the first ones i did are going on 10 years old, get heavy use including gigging, and are holding up well.

i would LOVE to have access to laser tools, or other panel methods, especially as i get deeper into doing serge-inspired designs... but there are so many aspects to SDIY to learn (i just taught myself PCB layout programs to make gerbers, after using PNP for years), and only so much time, and money for tooling...

so, anyway, just meant to say this is a good place to discuss all approaches; each has it's place.

peace
b

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Guy" <guy@...> wrote:
>
> I didn't know this was an exclusive FPD-only group, sorry.
>
> Quoting the description of this group:
> "This is a forum and database about designing and building panels for modular synths. It's open to any format and any technique. Files for panels from Schaeffer/ FPE are in the Files. PCB/ kit sources are in the Links. Feel free to add a link to your own work. Welcome!"
>
> I design (synth) fascia's too, though generally not in FPD format (for several reasons).
> Thought I might learn something here, and perhaps help out wherever I can.
>
> _g
>
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "data2action" <fluxmonk@> wrote:
> >
> > uh, this group was created to support the use of FPD to create synth panels and to share FPD files.
> >

Re: Front Panel Designer Problem

2010-01-14 by sduck409

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "data2action" <fluxmonk@...> wrote:
>
> sorry, only meant to say that questions abt FPD are appropriate and weclome here. i guess i overreacted to the advice "don't use FPD", which seemed out of line.

I think that Guy meant that he doesn't use fpd, thus couldn't answer the question more thoroughly. It's a fairly common english contraction to leave off the "I" if it's the first word in a sentence, although non-native english speakers might not know that, and it can lead to misunderstandings like this.

To the OP - I've seen that error message (I think it was the same one) when trying to run fpd in crossover on my mac, and I think I saw it once when an XP installation inside vmware fusion went bad. Have you upgraded your bootcamp driver recently? Maybe the new ones have some problems, or maybe it's just a matter of reinstalling printer drivers or something like that. I only use my XP installation for fpd and one other app, so if things get hosed I just delete it and reinstall.

Re: Front Panel Designer Problem

2010-01-16 by krelnarb

Thanks Guy, that was it. I installed a default printer and now it FPD is working like it should.

Thanks again.

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Guy" <guy@...> wrote:
>
>
> It means that "you currently have not selected a default printer".
>
> Whatever that means in the context of copy/pasting... I dunno. Don't use FPD.
>
> _g
>
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "krelnarb" <krelnarb@> wrote:
> >
> > I can no longer copy and paste in FPD 3.5. I get an error box with "Zur Zeit ist kein Standarddrucker gewahlt." in it. I uninstalled, downloaded another copy and installed that one but I still get the message.
> >
> > I'm on a Mac running bootcamp on an XP partition. It worked fine when I first set it up but now, no. And online translators are no help with whatever "Standarddrucker gewahlt" is.
> >
> > Thanks for any help or suggestions.
> >
>

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Front Panel Designer Problem

2010-01-23 by Scott Deyo

Another beautiful panel! 

I'm going to try to get into my college's fab lab and see what the new shop-bots can do. Not that I have time to make my own panels right now, but a-learnin' is good, mm-kay?

Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
Jealous Edison Record Kompany




On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:53 PM, julianfincham wrote:



> I'm tired of all these damn Bridechamber posts! : )

Hehe...

Although i lurk here, i dont really post as i assumed this was a group run by bride chamber, and i thought it would be in poor taste to start muttering about cnc work.

CNC engraving will never be able to match screening on price for bulk orders, and screening will never be able to match CNC work on 1-off pricing. 

So, although theyre different routes to the same end, i dont think that they will ever compete with one another on the same job.

I was surprised at Guy's comment about Schaeffer being inaccurate?

>>They are not very precise.

Guy, could you enlarge on that? Ive heard some complaints about shaeffer in the past, but not really heard why.

(There is no real reason i can see why the positioning [of the cutter, be it laser or mechanical] should be any different with either technique)

Its simple as im curious - im not trying to stand up for Shaeffer or anything!

>>http://www.guyd2. com/stuff/ proto-2.jpg

Ill see your unicorns head, and raise you the same - 

http://www.thebeast .co.uk/cnc/ DSCF4271. jpg

; )

(Oh, and, for those unfamiliar with the scaling of british money, thats a 1 pence piece, about 20mm dia. The eurorack mounting hole is mounting hole 3.5mm vertical dia )