Modular Synth Panels

OK, guys and gals -

I came across this "Synth Systems PB-912 Tie Lines" mystery panel in the bottom of my briefcase where it'd been contributing to the case's total mass for a couple years. It must have looked interesting on the screens of the Airport scanning thingys, but no-one stopped me.

I can't remember who gave it to me - Scott Deyo? Dave Wellington (in the way-back)?

Will and I, with help from the Wongster, have been trying to figure out what this is. We have a theory - but does anyone here, in fact, know? And how to build it?

Thanks, Bill and Will

"Synth Systems" was Stooge Larry and Stooge Moe. I recall that Larry had a "magic bus" for multiples in his multi-cabinet monster. Maybe the PB-912 thingy is part of that system (maybe you got a piece of Larry's synth when it was sold off).

----- Original Message -----
From: wjhall11 <wjhall@...>
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:49 am
Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Synth Systems PB-912 Tie Lines Mystery Panel

> OK, guys and gals -
>
> I came across this "Synth Systems PB-912 Tie Lines" mystery panel
> in the bottom of my briefcase where it'd been contributing to the
> case's total mass for a couple years. It must have looked
> interesting on the screens of the Airport scanning thingys, but no-
> one stopped me.
>
> I can't remember who gave it to me - Scott Deyo? Dave Wellington
> (in the way-back)?
>
> Will and I, with help from the Wongster, have been trying to
> figure out what this is. We have a theory - but does anyone here,
> in fact, know? And how to build it?
>
> Thanks, Bill and Will
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Hmmm... well, when Will and I dug around, we found this... http://www.wiseguysynth.com/larry/panel/gif.htm. The "Tie Lines" thing is the last panel on Larry's page. The hyperlink's bad - if you change the URL to this - http://www.wiseguysynth.com/larry/panel/gif/tielines.gif - you can see the panel design.

The panel we have isn't drilled out, just has cross-hatches where the jack holes should be.

Gino has suggested that it's a CV multiple. But we're wondering what distinguishes a CV multiple from a regular old 910, for instance.

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, scott juskiw <scott@...> wrote:
>
> "Synth Systems" was Stooge Larry and Stooge Moe. I recall that Larry had a "magic bus" for multiples in his multi-cabinet monster. Maybe the PB-912 thingy is part of that system (maybe you got a piece of Larry's synth when it was sold off).
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wjhall11 <wjhall@...>
> Date: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:49 am
> Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Synth Systems PB-912 Tie Lines Mystery Panel
>
> > OK, guys and gals -
> >
> > I came across this "Synth Systems PB-912 Tie Lines" mystery panel
> > in the bottom of my briefcase where it'd been contributing to the
> > case's total mass for a couple years. It must have looked
> > interesting on the screens of the Airport scanning thingys, but no-
> > one stopped me.
> >
> > I can't remember who gave it to me - Scott Deyo? Dave Wellington
> > (in the way-back)?
> >
> > Will and I, with help from the Wongster, have been trying to
> > figure out what this is. We have a theory - but does anyone here,
> > in fact, know? And how to build it?
> >
> > Thanks, Bill and Will
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

-----Original Message-----
From: scott juskiw [mailto:scott@...]
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 02:03 PM
To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Synth Systems PB-912 Tie Lines Mystery Panel

"Synth Systems" was Stooge Larry and Stooge Moe. I recall that Larry had a "magic bus" for multiples in his multi-cabinet monster. Maybe the PB-912 thingy is part of that system (maybe you got a piece of Larry's synth when it was sold off). ----- Original Message ----- From: wjhall11 Date: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:49 am Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Synth Systems PB-912 Tie Lines Mystery Panel > OK, guys and gals - > > I came across this "Synth Systems PB-912 Tie Lines" mystery panel > in the bottom of my briefcase where it'd been contributing to the > case's total mass for a couple years. It must have looked > interesting on the screens of the Airport scanning thingys, but no- > one stopped me. > > I can't remember who gave it to me - Scott Deyo? Dave Wellington > (in the way-back)? > > Will and I, with help from the Wongster, have been trying to > figure out what this is. We have a theory - but does anyone here, > in fact, know? And how to build it? > > Thanks, Bill and Will > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ModularSynthPanels/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ModularSynthPanels/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:ModularSynthPanels-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:ModularSynthPanels-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ModularSynthPanels-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

That makes sense. The top four jacks were probably meant to send signals TO another cabinet. The bottom eight jacks were probably meant to receive signals FROM another cabinet or two.

----- Original Message -----
From: gjames@...
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:42 pm
Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Synth Systems PB-912 Tie Lines Mystery Panel

> IIRC that was the panel Larry designed to bus between cabinets.
> The "912" number alludes to the fact that it was designed to sit
> next to the "900" series power module panels.
>
> -Greg James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scott juskiw [mailto:scott@...]
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 02:03 PM
> To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Synth Systems PB-912 Tie Lines
> Mystery Panel
>
>

I remember being very impressed with the Magic Bus when i first saw it way back when I was still building in MOTM format. I am probably wrong on some of the details but I remember it like this:

A row of jacks in groups of four that ran the length of the cabinet beneath each row of modules. I think it was not just a bus between cabs but also a bus between rows. As the thinking goes - with MOTM jacks-on-bottom-pots-on-top layouts you achieve less patchcord jungle. That is until you add a second row. Then the theory goes out the window. If you add a row of jacks that are bus lines and mults under each row of modules you can actually achieve clutter free patches that will not obscure any pots. His was the only system I have ever seen that achieved this goal. Very clever.

p.

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, scott juskiw <scott@...> wrote:
>
> That makes sense. The top four jacks were probably meant to send signals TO another cabinet. The bottom eight jacks were probably meant to receive signals FROM another cabinet or two.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gjames@...
> Date: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:42 pm
> Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Synth Systems PB-912 Tie Lines Mystery Panel
>
> > IIRC that was the panel Larry designed to bus between cabinets.
> > The "912" number alludes to the fact that it was designed to sit
> > next to the "900" series power module panels.
> >
> > -Greg James
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scott juskiw [mailto:scott@...]
> > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 02:03 PM
> > To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Synth Systems PB-912 Tie Lines
> > Mystery Panel
> >
> >
>

I saw a big 1/4 modular system that had something very similar,. It wasn't DIY though . Technosaurus Selector I think, all the patching was below the knob field, nice form factor.

I imagine that crosstalk would be the issue if building something like this.

-- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "peng3002" <megaOhm1@...> wrote:

>
> I remember being very impressed with the Magic Bus when i first saw it way back when I was still building in MOTM format. I am probably wrong on some of the details but I remember it like this:
>
> A row of jacks in groups of four that ran the length of the cabinet beneath each row of modules. I think it was not just a bus between cabs but also a bus between rows. As the thinking goes - with MOTM jacks-on-bottom-pots-on-top layouts you achieve less patchcord jungle. That is until you add a second row. Then the theory goes out the window. If you add a row of jacks that are bus lines and mults under each row of modules you can actually achieve clutter free patches that will not obscure any pots. His was the only system I have ever seen that achieved this goal. Very clever.
>
> p.
>
>
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, scott juskiw <scott@> wrote:
> >
> > That makes sense. The top four jacks were probably meant to send signals TO another cabinet. The bottom eight jacks were probably meant to receive signals FROM another cabinet or two.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: gjames@
> > Date: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:42 pm
> > Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Synth Systems PB-912 Tie Lines Mystery Panel
> >
> > > IIRC that was the panel Larry designed to bus between cabinets.
> > > The "912" number alludes to the fact that it was designed to sit
> > > next to the "900" series power module panels.
> > >
> > > -Greg James
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: scott juskiw [mailto:scott@]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 02:03 PM
> > > To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Synth Systems PB-912 Tie Lines
> > > Mystery Panel
> > >
> > >
> >
>

On Larry's site, he seems to attribute the 912 Tie-lines module to Paul Bower. Maybe we ask Paul? Anyone know his email address? Bill and Will

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "adaaxs" <wonggster@...> wrote:
>
> I saw a big 1/4 modular system that had something very similar,. It wasn't DIY though . Technosaurus Selector I think, all the patching was below the knob field, nice form factor.
>
> I imagine that crosstalk would be the issue if building something like this.
>
> -- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "peng3002" <megaOhm1@> wrote:
> >
> > I remember being very impressed with the Magic Bus when i first saw it way back when I was still building in MOTM format. I am probably wrong on some of the details but I remember it like this:
> >
> > A row of jacks in groups of four that ran the length of the cabinet beneath each row of modules. I think it was not just a bus between cabs but also a bus between rows. As the thinking goes - with MOTM jacks-on-bottom-pots-on-top layouts you achieve less patchcord jungle. That is until you add a second row. Then the theory goes out the window. If you add a row of jacks that are bus lines and mults under each row of modules you can actually achieve clutter free patches that will not obscure any pots. His was the only system I have ever seen that achieved this goal. Very clever.
> >
> > p.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, scott juskiw <scott@> wrote:
> > >
> > > That makes sense. The top four jacks were probably meant to send signals TO another cabinet. The bottom eight jacks were probably meant to receive signals FROM another cabinet or two.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: gjames@
> > > Date: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:42 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Synth Systems PB-912 Tie Lines Mystery Panel
> > >
> > > > IIRC that was the panel Larry designed to bus between cabinets.
> > > > The "912" number alludes to the fact that it was designed to sit
> > > > next to the "900" series power module panels.
> > > >
> > > > -Greg James
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: scott juskiw [mailto:scott@]
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 02:03 PM
> > > > To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Synth Systems PB-912 Tie Lines
> > > > Mystery Panel
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

someone mention me....?

hello all again

Hi Paul -

OK, we get it. In fact, we've been planning to interface my guitar rig with our modular at some point. So this panel would be a way of passing audio and CV to external gadgetry, eh? And perhaps the numbering implies that - the MOTM multiple is number 910, after all.

Now - We're guessing that Brit "loom" is akin to Yank "snake" - sound about right?

And now that we're thinking about it, back in 2007, Dave Wellington sent us a couple stooge brackets and I'll bet he included this panel in the package just for fun. Maybe that's how we came by it.

Well - maybe it's time to figure out if and how we'll use the thing and than drill out the jack holes.

We'll take pics.

Thanks much, Paul

Bill and Will

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Paul Bower <paul@...> wrote:
>
> someone mention me....?
>
> i completely missed this thread - sadly i have little time for modular
> fun these days
>
> the PB912 - is indeed named by Larry using his system
>
> i needed a single custom panel, and the Stooges of course obliged,
> it's just a simple 1U panel, i wired 8 audio tie lines and 4 voltage
> tie lines
>
> the audio connects to an 8 way loom that goes off to my console/
> patchbay and CV goes to a 4 way loom that heads off (or used to head
> off) to a couple of effects units with CV inputs (Bel BD80, Eventide
> H949, Powertran delay etc)
>
> so it's just a means of getting signal from modular to console
>
> cheers
> paul
>
>
>
> On 14 Jul 2009, at 08:30, wjhall11 wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Larry's site, he seems to attribute the 912 Tie-lines module to
> > Paul Bower. Maybe we ask Paul? Anyone know his email address? Bill
> > and Will
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "adaaxs" <wonggster@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I saw a big 1/4 modular system that had something very similar,.
> > It wasn't DIY though . Technosaurus Selector I think, all the
> > patching was below the knob field, nice form factor.
> > >
> > > I imagine that crosstalk would be the issue if building something
> > like this.
> > >
> > > -- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "peng3002" <megaOhm1@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I remember being very impressed with the Magic Bus when i first
> > saw it way back when I was still building in MOTM format. I am
> > probably wrong on some of the details but I remember it like this:
> > > >
> > > > A row of jacks in groups of four that ran the length of the
> > cabinet beneath each row of modules. I think it was not just a bus
> > between cabs but also a bus between rows. As the thinking goes -
> > with MOTM jacks-on-bottom-pots-on-top layouts you achieve less
> > patchcord jungle. That is until you add a second row. Then the
> > theory goes out the window. If you add a row of jacks that are bus
> > lines and mults under each row of modules you can actually achieve
> > clutter free patches that will not obscure any pots. His was the
> > only system I have ever seen that achieved this goal. Very clever.
> > > >
> > > > p.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, scott juskiw <scott@>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > That makes sense. The top four jacks were probably meant to
> > send signals TO another cabinet. The bottom eight jacks were
> > probably meant to receive signals FROM another cabinet or two.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: gjames@
> > > > > Date: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:42 pm
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Synth Systems PB-912 Tie
> > Lines Mystery Panel
> > > > >
> > > > > > IIRC that was the panel Larry designed to bus between
> > cabinets.
> > > > > > The "912" number alludes to the fact that it was designed to
> > sit
> > > > > > next to the "900" series power module panels.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Greg James
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: scott juskiw [mailto:scott@]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 02:03 PM
> > > > > > To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Synth Systems PB-912 Tie
> > Lines
> > > > > > Mystery Panel
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Paul Bower
> Un! Recordings
>
> www.unrecordings.co.uk
> www.youtube.com/user/unrecordings
> www.myspace.com/unrecordings
> www.last.fm/label/Un%21/
>

yep - loom = multicore cable

There is some tie line history. with varied degrees of success, I've got a very early Moog pre P system that uses several 8 way CJ jacks. at first I thought it was for the keyboard but there is an Amphenol for the keyboard. Turns out is is wired to the PSU and to cv via the backplane connectors and some of the modules are modded It seems one jack is for a preset module kluged into the cv controller at the cabinet bottom

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Paul Bower <paul@...> wrote:
>
> yep - loom = multicore cable
>
> as far as i know i'm the only person to ever actually order one of these
>
> mine is wired to installation cable that leads to a panel on the back
> of my cabinet with two small 16 pin ELCO/EDAC connectors for the 8 way
> audio loom and 4 way cv loom
>
> of course you could simply wire the multicore direct to the jacks and
> use cable ties to secure that to some form of bracket
>
>
> cheers
> paul
>
>
>
>
> On 15 Jul 2009, at 19:51, wjhall11 wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi Paul -
> >
> > OK, we get it. In fact, we've been planning to interface my guitar
> > rig with our modular at some point. So this panel would be a way of
> > passing audio and CV to external gadgetry, eh? And perhaps the
> > numbering implies that - the MOTM multiple is number 910, after all.
> >
> > Now - We're guessing that Brit "loom" is akin to Yank "snake" -
> > sound about right?
> >
> > And now that we're thinking about it, back in 2007, Dave Wellington
> > sent us a couple stooge brackets and I'll bet he included this panel
> > in the package just for fun. Maybe that's how we came by it.
> >
> > Well - maybe it's time to figure out if and how we'll use the thing
> > and than drill out the jack holes.
> >
> > We'll take pics.
> >
> > Thanks much, Paul
> >
> > Bill and Will
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Paul Bower <paul@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > someone mention me....?
> > >
> > > i completely missed this thread - sadly i have little time for
> > modular
> > > fun these days
> > >
> > > the PB912 - is indeed named by Larry using his system
> > >
> > > i needed a single custom panel, and the Stooges of course obliged,
> > > it's just a simple 1U panel, i wired 8 audio tie lines and 4 voltage
> > > tie lines
> > >
> > > the audio connects to an 8 way loom that goes off to my console/
> > > patchbay and CV goes to a 4 way loom that heads off (or used to head
> > > off) to a couple of effects units with CV inputs (Bel BD80, Eventide
> > > H949, Powertran delay etc)
> > >
> > > so it's just a means of getting signal from modular to console
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > paul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 14 Jul 2009, at 08:30, wjhall11 wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Larry's site, he seems to attribute the 912 Tie-lines module to
> > > > Paul Bower. Maybe we ask Paul? Anyone know his email address? Bill
> > > > and Will
> > > >
> > > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "adaaxs" <wonggster@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I saw a big 1/4 modular system that had something very similar,.
> > > > It wasn't DIY though . Technosaurus Selector I think, all the
> > > > patching was below the knob field, nice form factor.
> > > > >
> > > > > I imagine that crosstalk would be the issue if building
> > something
> > > > like this.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "peng3002" <megaOhm1@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I remember being very impressed with the Magic Bus when i
> > first
> > > > saw it way back when I was still building in MOTM format. I am
> > > > probably wrong on some of the details but I remember it like this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A row of jacks in groups of four that ran the length of the
> > > > cabinet beneath each row of modules. I think it was not just a bus
> > > > between cabs but also a bus between rows. As the thinking goes -
> > > > with MOTM jacks-on-bottom-pots-on-top layouts you achieve less
> > > > patchcord jungle. That is until you add a second row. Then the
> > > > theory goes out the window. If you add a row of jacks that are bus
> > > > lines and mults under each row of modules you can actually achieve
> > > > clutter free patches that will not obscure any pots. His was the
> > > > only system I have ever seen that achieved this goal. Very clever.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > p.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, scott juskiw
> > <scott@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That makes sense. The top four jacks were probably meant to
> > > > send signals TO another cabinet. The bottom eight jacks were
> > > > probably meant to receive signals FROM another cabinet or two.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: gjames@
> > > > > > > Date: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:42 pm
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Synth Systems PB-912 Tie
> > > > Lines Mystery Panel
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > IIRC that was the panel Larry designed to bus between
> > > > cabinets.
> > > > > > > > The "912" number alludes to the fact that it was
> > designed to
> > > > sit
> > > > > > > > next to the "900" series power module panels.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Greg James
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: scott juskiw [mailto:scott@]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 02:03 PM
> > > > > > > > To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Synth Systems PB-912 Tie
> > > > Lines
> > > > > > > > Mystery Panel
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Paul Bower
> > > Un! Recordings
> > >
> > > www.unrecordings.co.uk
> > > www.youtube.com/user/unrecordings
> > > www.myspace.com/unrecordings
> > > www.last.fm/label/Un%21/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Paul Bower
> Un! Recordings
>
> www.unrecordings.co.uk
> www.youtube.com/user/unrecordings
> www.myspace.com/unrecordings
> www.last.fm/label/Un%21/
>