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Threeler

Threeler

2008-08-06 by adaaxs

I think I am feeling a bit dumb today. Or I am excited to get this up.
I am wrestling with this threeler and have some basic questions. The first thing is that I
realise that I have no understanding of how to spec out or buy a rotary switch. If anyone
knows of a simple way of expressing what to get I would be pleased. I see a 2 pole 4 position
switch but nearly every 4 position switch I see is 3 poles. I don't get it and I am stuck for a
switch.

I also can't see 2 of the the wiring points for the switch unless it is A0, A1, V-, V+.

Is there a BOM for this puppy ?

Also is it cool to sub a 150pf for the 180 pf ?
Same question for 47pf or 68pf forthe 56pf?

best

g

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Threeler

2008-08-06 by loopcycle

for your rotary, you can use either a 2-pole 6-position or a 3-pole 4-position (since you're only going to use four lugs x2 anyway so it doesnt matter).  if you have trouble finding a 2p 6t or 3p 4t switch i can probably make an educated mouser guess for you (i picked up my rotary at a local electronics shop).

you have to extract the switch wiring from the schematic.  you will be switching between four combinations of +V and ground (two bit binary combinations).  at a0, positions 1 and 3 are connected to ground, and positions 2 and 4 are +V.  at a1, positions 1 and 2 are connected to ground and positions 3 and 4 are connected to +V.  i strapped the ground and +V connections to each other on the switch, ending up with only one +V and one ground wire from the switch to the PCB.

i did order a component kit from scott and im glad i did--it made the build go smoothly.



--- On Wed, 8/6/08, adaaxs <wonggster@...> wrote:
From: adaaxs <wonggster@...>
Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Threeler
To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:58 AM

I think I am feeling a bit dumb today. Or I am excited to get this up.
I am wrestling with this threeler and have some basic questions. The first thing is that I
realise that I have no understanding of how to spec out or buy a rotary switch. If anyone
knows of a simple way of expressing what to get I would be pleased. I see a 2 pole 4 position
switch but nearly every 4 position switch I see is 3 poles. I don't get it and I am stuck for a
switch.

I also can't see 2 of the the wiring points for the switch unless it is A0, A1, V-, V+.

Is there a BOM for this puppy ?

Also is it cool to sub a 150pf for the 180 pf ?
Same question for 47pf or 68pf forthe 56pf?

best

g


Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Threeler

2008-08-07 by Scott Deyo

Mouser 105-14572 is the number. Not cheap anymore....

Like Hans says, though, if you find a cheaper 3p4t switch, use that --
and let us know the part number
: )
Make sure it's break-before-make, or non-shorting.

Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@...
http://www.bridechamber.com
Jealous Edison Record Kompany
http://www.jealousedison.com


On Aug 6, 2008, at 11:24 AM, loopcycle wrote:

> for your rotary, you can use either a 2-pole 6-position or a 3-pole
> 4-position (since you're only going to use four lugs x2 anyway so it
> doesnt matter).  if you have trouble finding a 2p 6t or 3p 4t switch i
> can probably make an educated mouser guess for you (i picked up my
> rotary at a local electronics shop).
>
> you have to extract the switch wiring from the schematic.  you will be
> switching between four combinations of +V and ground (two bit binary
> combinations).  at a0, positions 1 and 3 are connected to ground, and
> positions 2 and 4 are +V.  at a1, positions 1 and 2 are connected to
> ground and positions 3 and 4 are connected to +V.  i strapped the
> ground and +V connections to each other on the switch, ending up with
> only one +V and one ground wire from the switch to the PCB.
>
> i did order a component kit from scott and im glad i did--it made the
> build go smoothly.
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, adaaxs <wonggster@...> wrote:
>> From: adaaxs <wonggster@...>
>> Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Threeler
>> To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:58 AM
>>
>>
>> I think I am feeling a bit dumb today. Or I am excited to get this up.
>> I am wrestling with this threeler and have some basic questions. The
>> first thing is that I
>> realise that I have no understanding of how to spec out or buy a
>> rotary switch. If anyone
>> knows of a simple way of expressing what to get I would be pleased.
>> I see a 2 pole 4 position
>> switch but nearly every 4 position switch I see is 3 poles. I don't
>> get it and I am stuck for a
>> switch.
>>
>> I also can't see 2 of the the wiring points for the switch unless it
>> is A0, A1, V-, V+.
>>
>> Is there a BOM for this puppy ?
>>
>> Also is it cool to sub a 150pf for the 180 pf ?
>> Same question for 47pf or 68pf forthe 56pf?
>>
>> best
>>
>> g
>>
>
>
>

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Threeler

2008-08-07 by The Alison Project

 
not solder lugs but $3.75. this is what I ordered
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Deyo
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Threeler

Mouser 105-14572 is the number. Not cheap anymore....

Like Hans says, though, if you find a cheaper 3p4t switch, use that -- and let us know the part number
: )
Make sure it's break-before-make, or non-shorting.

Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@...
http://www.bridechamber.com
Jealous Edison Record Kompany
http://www.jealousedison.com


On Aug 6, 2008, at 11:24 AM, loopcycle wrote:

for your rotary, you can use either a 2-pole 6-position or a 3-pole 4-position (since you're only going to use four lugs x2 anyway so it doesnt matter).  if you have trouble finding a 2p 6t or 3p 4t switch i can probably make an educated mouser guess for you (i picked up my rotary at a local electronics shop).

you have to extract the switch wiring from the schematic.  you will be switching between four combinations of +V and ground (two bit binary combinations).  at a0, positions 1 and 3 are connected to ground, and positions 2 and 4 are +V.  at a1, positions 1 and 2 are connected to ground and positions 3 and 4 are connected to +V.  i strapped the ground and +V connections to each other on the switch, ending up with only one +V and one ground wire from the switch to the PCB.

i did order a component kit from scott and im glad i did--it made the build go smoothly.



--- On Wed, 8/6/08, adaaxs <wonggster@gmail. com> wrote:
From: adaaxs <wonggster@...>
Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Threeler
To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:58 AM


I think I am feeling a bit dumb today. Or I am excited to get this up.
I am wrestling with this threeler and have some basic questions. The first thing is that I
realise that I have no understanding of how to spec out or buy a rotary switch. If anyone
knows of a simple way of expressing what to get I would be pleased. I see a 2 pole 4 position
switch but nearly every 4 position switch I see is 3 poles. I don't get it and I am stuck for a
switch.

I also can't see 2 of the the wiring points for the switch unless it is A0, A1, V-, V+.

Is there a BOM for this puppy ?

Also is it cool to sub a 150pf for the 180 pf ?
Same question for 47pf or 68pf forthe 56pf?

best

g


Re: Threeler

2008-08-07 by adaaxs

Your explanation is over my head. I only see 6 connection points left on my pcb: 2
ground, a0, a1, V+, V-. and another ground at the other end. I have a 2pole 5 position
switch.


>
> you have to extract the switch wiring from the schematic.  you will be switching between
four combinations of +V and ground (two bit binary combinations).  at a0, positions 1 and
3 are connected to ground, and positions 2 and 4 are +V.  at a1, positions 1 and 2 are
connected to ground and positions 3 and 4 are connected to +V.  i strapped the ground
and +V connections to each other on the switch, ending up with only one +V and one
ground wire from the switch to the PCB.
>
> i did order a component kit from scott and im glad i did--it made the build go
smoothly.
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, adaaxs <wonggster@...> wrote:
> From: adaaxs <wonggster@...>
> Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Threeler
> To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:58 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I think I am feeling a bit dumb today. Or I am excited to get this up.
>
> I am wrestling with this threeler and have some basic questions. The first thing is that I
>
> realise that I have no understanding of how to spec out or buy a rotary switch. If
anyone
>
> knows of a simple way of expressing what to get I would be pleased. I see a 2 pole 4
position
>
> switch but nearly every 4 position switch I see is 3 poles. I don't get it and I am stuck for
a
>
> switch.
>
>
>
> I also can't see 2 of the the wiring points for the switch unless it is A0, A1, V-, V+.
>
>
>
> Is there a BOM for this puppy ?
>
>
>
> Also is it cool to sub a 150pf for the 180 pf ?
>
> Same question for 47pf or 68pf forthe 56pf?
>
>
>
> best
>
>
>
> g
>

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Threeler

2008-08-07 by loopcycle

Your switch will use four of those points on the pcb:

+V
ground
a0
a1

Hm, a 2-pole 5-position...so you should have two poles and ten positions total (five for each pole).  If so, you will only be using 8 of those positions (four for each pole).  Match up each pole with the first four switching points for that pole.  For example:

i used a 2-pole 6-position switch (2 poles in the center and 12 positions on the outside).  The positions were labeled 1-12.  I used positions 1, 2, 3, 4 for pole 1 and positions 7, 8, 9, 10 for pole 2.  So, when my switch was in the following positions A/B/C/D, where

A 3LP
B 2LP/1HP
C 1LP/2HP
D 3HP

...then

A  ::  pole 1 > 1  ::  pole 2 > 7
B  ::  pole 1 > 2  ::  pole 2 > 8
C  ::  pole 1 > 3  ::  pole 2 > 9
D  ::  pole 1 > 4  ::  pole 2 > 10
(positions 5, 6 are unused, so lugs 5, 6, 11, 12 left alone)

Here's how I made my connections:

a0 -> pole1
a1 -> pole2

strapped: 
ground -> 1, 3, 7, 8
+V -> 2, 4, 9, 10

After strapping the points on the switch, I just ran one wire for +V and one wire for ground back to the PCB.



*REMEMBER the preceeding example was for my switch.  If you have a five-position switch these will be different...probably something like:

A  ::  pole 1 > 1  ::  pole 2 > 6
B  ::  pole 1 > 2  ::  pole 2 > 7
C  ::  pole 1 > 3  ::  pole 2 > 8
D  ::  pole 1 > 4  ::  pole 2 > 9

Use your continuity checker on your DMM to make sure your results match these before you proceed.  If this is correct, then...

a0 -> pole1
a1 -> pole2

strapped: 
ground -> 1, 3, 6, 7
+V -> 2, 4, 8, 9
(position 5 is unused, so lugs 5 and 10 will be left alone.)

Does this make sense?








--- On Thu, 8/7/08, adaaxs <wonggster@...> wrote:
From: adaaxs <wonggster@...>
Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Threeler
To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 8:16 AM

Your explanation is over my head. I only see 6 connection points left on my pcb: 2
ground, a0, a1, V+, V-. and another ground at the other end. I have a 2pole 5 position
switch.

>
> you have to extract the switch wiring from the schematic.  you will be switching between
four combinations of +V and ground (two bit binary combinations) .  at a0, positions 1 and
3 are connected to ground, and positions 2 and 4 are +V.  at a1, positions 1 and 2 are
connected to ground and positions 3 and 4 are connected to +V.  i strapped the ground
and +V connections to each other on the switch, ending up with only one +V and one
ground wire from the switch to the PCB.
>
> i did order a component kit from scott and im glad i did--it made the build go
smoothly.
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, adaaxs <wonggster@. ..> wrote:
> From: adaaxs <wonggster@. ..>
> Subject: [ModularSynthPanels ] Threeler
> To: ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:58 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I think I am feeling a bit dumb today. Or I am excited to get this up.
>
> I am wrestling with this threeler and have some basic questions. The first thing is that I
>
> realise that I have no understanding of how to spec out or buy a rotary switch. If
anyone
>
> knows of a simple way of expressing what to get I would be pleased. I see a 2 pole 4
position
>
> switch but nearly every 4 position switch I see is 3 poles. I don't get it and I am stuck for
a
>
> switch.
>
>
>
> I also can't see 2 of the the wiring points for the switch unless it is A0, A1, V-, V+.
>
>
>
> Is there a BOM for this puppy ?
>
>
>
> Also is it cool to sub a 150pf for the 180 pf ?
>
> Same question for 47pf or 68pf forthe 56pf?
>
>
>
> best
>
>
>
> g
>


Re: Threeler

2008-08-09 by adaaxs

-Got it, very clear. This should be pasted into the schemo page. It's stuff like this that
leaves projects half finished.
>
> Your switch will use four of those points on the pcb:
>
> +V
> ground
> a0
> a1
>
> Hm, a 2-pole 5-position...so you should have two poles and ten positions total (five for
each pole).  If so, you will only be using 8 of those positions (four for each pole).  Match
up each pole with the first four switching points for that pole.  For example:
>
> i used a 2-pole 6-position switch (2 poles in the center and 12 positions on the
outside).  The positions were labeled 1-12.  I used positions 1, 2, 3, 4 for pole 1 and
positions 7, 8, 9, 10 for pole 2.  So, when my switch was in the following positions A/B/
C/D, where
>
> A 3LP
> B 2LP/1HP
> C 1LP/2HP
> D 3HP
>
> ...then
>
> A  ::  pole 1 > 1  ::  pole 2 > 7
> B  ::  pole 1 > 2  ::  pole 2 > 8
> C  ::  pole 1 > 3  ::  pole 2 > 9
> D  ::  pole 1 > 4  ::  pole 2 > 10
> (positions 5, 6 are unused, so lugs 5, 6, 11, 12 left alone)
>
> Here's how I made my connections:
>
> a0 -> pole1
> a1 -> pole2
>
> strapped: 
> ground -> 1, 3, 7, 8
> +V -> 2, 4, 9, 10
>
> After strapping the points on the switch, I just ran one wire for +V and one wire for
ground back to the PCB.
>
>
>
> *REMEMBER the preceeding example was for my switch.  If you have a five-position
switch these will be different...probably something like:
>
> A  ::  pole 1 > 1  ::  pole 2 > 6
>
> B  ::  pole 1 > 2  ::  pole 2 > 7
>
> C  ::  pole 1 > 3  ::  pole 2 > 8
>
> D  ::  pole 1 > 4  ::  pole 2 > 9
>
> Use your continuity checker on your DMM to make sure your results match these before
you proceed.  If this is correct, then...
>
> a0 -> pole1
>
> a1 -> pole2
>
>
>
> strapped: 
>
> ground -> 1, 3, 6, 7
>
> +V -> 2, 4, 8, 9
> (position 5 is unused, so lugs 5 and 10 will be left alone.)
>
> Does this make sense?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 8/7/08, adaaxs <wonggster@...> wrote:
> From: adaaxs <wonggster@...>
> Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Threeler
> To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 8:16 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your explanation is over my head. I only see 6 connection points left on my
pcb: 2
>
> ground, a0, a1, V+, V-. and another ground at the other end. I have a 2pole 5 position
>
> switch.
>
>
>
> >
>
> > you have to extract the switch wiring from the schematic.  you will be switching
between
>
> four combinations of +V and ground (two bit binary combinations) .  at a0, positions 1
and
>
> 3 are connected to ground, and positions 2 and 4 are +V.  at a1, positions 1 and 2 are
>
> connected to ground and positions 3 and 4 are connected to +V.  i strapped the ground
>
> and +V connections to each other on the switch, ending up with only one +V and one
>
> ground wire from the switch to the PCB.
>
> >
>
> > i did order a component kit from scott and im glad i did--it made the build go
>
> smoothly.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, adaaxs <wonggster@ ..> wrote:
>
> > From: adaaxs <wonggster@ ..>
>
> > Subject: [ModularSynthPanels ] Threeler
>
> > To: ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:58 AM
>
> >
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> >
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> > I think I am feeling a bit dumb today. Or I am excited to get this up.
>
> >
>
> > I am wrestling with this threeler and have some basic questions. The first thing is
that I
>
> >
>
> > realise that I have no understanding of how to spec out or buy a rotary switch. If
>
> anyone
>
> >
>
> > knows of a simple way of expressing what to get I would be pleased. I see a 2 pole 4
>
> position
>
> >
>
> > switch but nearly every 4 position switch I see is 3 poles. I don't get it and I am stuck
for
>
> a
>
> >
>
> > switch.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I also can't see 2 of the the wiring points for the switch unless it is A0, A1, V-, V+.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Is there a BOM for this puppy ?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Also is it cool to sub a 150pf for the 180 pf ?
>
> >
>
> > Same question for 47pf or 68pf forthe 56pf?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > best
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > g
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> >
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