Modular Synth Panels

>
> Ok, I finally got around to finishing this one up - I would have done
> it a week ago but had to deal with a case of Rocky Mountain Spotted
> fever - yuck. Tere's also a screen cap in the misc folder of the
> pictures section for instant gratification. 
> 
> I really wanted to work this into a 6u panel, hopefully incorporting
> parts of Thomas White's excellent rotary design, but just couldn't
> begin to make it all fit. It's pretty tight in 8u. I started with Jeff
> Pontius's old milton design, and basically erased everything below the
> middle, and incorporated lots of bits from Clickmrmike's and Will and
> Bill's designs, juggling some switch positions to suit my tastes and
> putting back in the switch they left out (it's probably not necessary,
> but there it is). Then I spent forever juggling everything around to
> make it look hunky-dory, at least kind of. 
> 
> Somehow in the course of doing this the price dropped a bit - my
> original layout with all the holes and labels was over 160$ (US), but
> the finished version is about 146$ - go figure. I did replace a bunch
> of loosely created place holder items with copied and pasted groups of
> items, like the switch boxes - maybe that makes a difference. 
> 
> I'm highly tempted to create a color version of this one - once you
> sart adding color fills, it's just a flat rate 7$ addon, and you can
> use all the colors you want after that - so since I'm already spending
> a bunch, why not? But there's the deciding on the miriad of choices
> part - fairly daunting. Anyone want to take a crack at this? It's free
> until you press the buy button, of course. 
> 
> The hole sizes are all for the same hardware synthtech uses - spectrol
> pots, switchcraft 1/4 jacks, nkk bat switches, lumex 5/16 leds, and
> all the knobs are meant to be the smaller version of the standard motm
> style PKES-60B-1/4 knobs. Other stuff would also work fabulously in
> there, but remember to adjust the hole diameters to what you're using. 
> 
> I'd love to get opinions and feedback on this - this was a pretty big
> undrtaking, and I'm not a graphics designer by any means, so there's
> probably lots of design rules I've stepped all over. And while I've
> read the various klee manuals and checked with the interconnect
> schematics, I may have missed something - let me know if this is the
> case. 
> 
> Apologies to Scott Deyo for not waiting patiently for his soon-to-be
> much more excellent design, which will of course cost half as much,
> but I've got all the other parts sitting here burning a hole in my
> build time plans. Actually, I'm not really ready to order this yet,
> due to some financial tightness currently - maybe I'll come to my
> senses. And you know you'll be geting a bunch of my money soon anyway
> for brackets for this and some other stuff, so it'll all work out.
> Brackets - I didn't really consider brackets in this design - I'm sure
> there's something that'll work - we'll see. 
> 
> Steve Drake
>

On Jun 20, 2008, at 12:59 PM, adaaxs wrote:

> We all understand where you are coming from Steve. I occasionally 
> break down and get a
>  shaeffer panel but they I have to get it coated after I get it from 
> FPE or it will scratch up
>  madly , out of the box they are too fragile for the money. We are 
> still discussing knobs
>  and sliders and what kind of resistors to use and you want to go 
> ahead. Have you got a
>  non .fpd version of the file we can view ?
>
>  >
>  > Ok, I finally got around to finishing this one up - I would have 
> done
>  > it a week ago but had to deal with a case of Rocky Mountain Spotted
>  > fever - yuck. Tere's also a screen cap in the misc folder of the
>  > pictures section for instant gratification.
>  >
>  > I really wanted to work this into a 6u panel, hopefully incorporting
>  > parts of Thomas White's excellent rotary design, but just couldn't
>  > begin to make it all fit. It's pretty tight in 8u. I started with 
> Jeff
>  > Pontius's old milton design, and basically erased everything below 
> the
>  > middle, and incorporated lots of bits from Clickmrmike's and Will 
> and
>  > Bill's designs, juggling some switch positions to suit my tastes and
>  > putting back in the switch they left out (it's probably not 
> necessary,
>  > but there it is). Then I spent forever juggling everything around to
>  > make it look hunky-dory, at least kind of.
>  >
>  > Somehow in the course of doing this the price dropped a bit - my
>  > original layout with all the holes and labels was over 160$ (US), 
> but
>  > the finished version is about 146$ - go figure. I did replace a 
> bunch
>  > of loosely created place holder items with copied and pasted groups 
> of
>  > items, like the switch boxes - maybe that makes a difference.
>  >
>  > I'm highly tempted to create a color version of this one - once you
>  > sart adding color fills, it's just a flat rate 7$ addon, and you can
>  > use all the colors you want after that - so since I'm already 
> spending
>  > a bunch, why not? But there's the deciding on the miriad of choices
>  > part - fairly daunting. Anyone want to take a crack at this? It's 
> free
>  > until you press the buy button, of course.
>  >
>  > The hole sizes are all for the same hardware synthtech uses - 
> spectrol
>  > pots, switchcraft 1/4 jacks, nkk bat switches, lumex 5/16 leds, and
>  > all the knobs are meant to be the smaller version of the standard 
> motm
>  > style PKES-60B-1/4 knobs. Other stuff would also work fabulously in
>  > there, but remember to adjust the hole diameters to what you're 
> using.
>  >
>  > I'd love to get opinions and feedback on this - this was a pretty 
> big
>  > undrtaking, and I'm not a graphics designer by any means, so there's
>  > probably lots of design rules I've stepped all over. And while I've
>  > read the various klee manuals and checked with the interconnect
>  > schematics, I may have missed something - let me know if this is the
>  > case.
>  >
>  > Apologies to Scott Deyo for not waiting patiently for his soon-to-be
>  > much more excellent design, which will of course cost half as much,
>  > but I've got all the other parts sitting here burning a hole in my
>  > build time plans. Actually, I'm not really ready to order this yet,
>  > due to some financial tightness currently - maybe I'll come to my
>  > senses. And you know you'll be geting a bunch of my money soon 
> anyway
>  > for brackets for this and some other stuff, so it'll all work out.
>  > Brackets - I didn't really consider brackets in this design - I'm 
> sure
>  > there's something that'll work - we'll see.
>  >
>  > Steve Drake
>  >
>
>  
>

> > 
> > I'd love to get opinions and feedback on this - this was a pretty big
> > undrtaking, and I'm not a graphics designer by any means, so there's
> > probably lots of design rules I've stepped all over. And while I've
> > read the various klee manuals and checked with the interconnect
> > schematics, I may have missed something - let me know if this is the
> > case. 
> > 
> > Apologies to Scott Deyo for not waiting patiently for his soon-to-be
> > much more excellent design, which will of course cost half as much,
> > but I've got all the other parts sitting here burning a hole in my
> > build time plans. Actually, I'm not really ready to order this yet,
> > due to some financial tightness currently - maybe I'll come to my
> > senses. And you know you'll be geting a bunch of my money soon anyway
> > for brackets for this and some other stuff, so it'll all work out.
> > Brackets - I didn't really consider brackets in this design - I'm sure
> > there's something that'll work - we'll see. 
> > 
> > Steve Drake
> >
>

> We all understand where you are coming from Steve. I occasionally 
> break down and get a shaeffer panel but they I have to get it coated 
> after I get it from FPE or it will scratch up madly , out of the box 
> they are too fragile for the money.

On Jun 20, 2008, at 4:44 PM, sduck409 wrote:

> Hi - Never had a problem with scratches on mine. Although I don't move
>  mine around much once they're in the cabinet, and the cabinet never
>  leaves the room. And the oldest one I have is only 2 years or so.
>  Coating is a good idea though - I'll have to consider this idea - what
>  do you suggest coating with?
>
>  Knobs/faders - as far as I could tell the discussion was over - a
>  vocal minority, of which I was a member, wanted knobs, but Scott was
>  leaning towards faders. So, I can wait and take my chances whether
>  Scott's panel design meets my needs, or even appears, or I can get my
>  own design built now. I've got the knobs, and the resistors, and
>  everything else - just need a panel! That's what DIY is all about
>  anyway - not being part of the herd - right?
>
>  As mentioned earlier, there's a picture of this design in the photos
>  section of this group, in the misc folder.
>
>  Cheers, Steve
>
>  --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "adaaxs" <wonggster@...> 
> wrote:
>  >
>  > We all understand where you are coming from Steve. I occasionally
>  break down and get a
>  > shaeffer panel but they I have to get it coated after I get it from
>  FPE or it will scratch up
>  > madly , out of the box they are too fragile for the money. We are
>  still discussing knobs
>  > and sliders and what kind of resistors to use and you want to go
>  ahead. Have you got a
>  > non .fpd version of the file we can view ?
>  >
>  >
>  > >
>  > > Ok, I finally got around to finishing this one up - I would have 
> done
>  > > it a week ago but had to deal with a case of Rocky Mountain 
> Spotted
>  > > fever - yuck. Tere's also a screen cap in the misc folder of the
>  > > pictures section for instant gratification.
>  > >
>  > > I really wanted to work this into a 6u panel, hopefully 
> incorporting
>  > > parts of Thomas White's excellent rotary design, but just couldn't
>  > > begin to make it all fit. It's pretty tight in 8u. I started with 
> Jeff
>  > > Pontius's old milton design, and basically erased everything 
> below the
>  > > middle, and incorporated lots of bits from Clickmrmike's and Will 
> and
>  > > Bill's designs, juggling some switch positions to suit my tastes 
> and
>  > > putting back in the switch they left out (it's probably not 
> necessary,
>  > > but there it is). Then I spent forever juggling everything around 
> to
>  > > make it look hunky-dory, at least kind of.
>  > >
>  > > Somehow in the course of doing this the price dropped a bit - my
>  > > original layout with all the holes and labels was over 160$ (US), 
> but
>  > > the finished version is about 146$ - go figure. I did replace a 
> bunch
>  > > of loosely created place holder items with copied and pasted 
> groups of
>  > > items, like the switch boxes - maybe that makes a difference.
>  > >
>  > > I'm highly tempted to create a color version of this one - once 
> you
>  > > sart adding color fills, it's just a flat rate 7$ addon, and you 
> can
>  > > use all the colors you want after that - so since I'm already 
> spending
>  > > a bunch, why not? But there's the deciding on the miriad of 
> choices
>  > > part - fairly daunting. Anyone want to take a crack at this? It's 
> free
>  > > until you press the buy button, of course.
>  > >
>  > > The hole sizes are all for the same hardware synthtech uses - 
> spectrol
>  > > pots, switchcraft 1/4 jacks, nkk bat switches, lumex 5/16 leds, 
> and
>  > > all the knobs are meant to be the smaller version of the standard 
> motm
>  > > style PKES-60B-1/4 knobs. Other stuff would also work fabulously 
> in
>  > > there, but remember to adjust the hole diameters to what you're
>  using.
>  > >
>  > > I'd love to get opinions and feedback on this - this was a pretty 
> big
>  > > undrtaking, and I'm not a graphics designer by any means, so 
> there's
>  > > probably lots of design rules I've stepped all over. And while 
> I've
>  > > read the various klee manuals and checked with the interconnect
>  > > schematics, I may have missed something - let me know if this is 
> the
>  > > case.
>  > >
>  > > Apologies to Scott Deyo for not waiting patiently for his 
> soon-to-be
>  > > much more excellent design, which will of course cost half as 
> much,
>  > > but I've got all the other parts sitting here burning a hole in my
>  > > build time plans. Actually, I'm not really ready to order this 
> yet,
>  > > due to some financial tightness currently - maybe I'll come to my
>  > > senses. And you know you'll be geting a bunch of my money soon 
> anyway
>  > > for brackets for this and some other stuff, so it'll all work out.
>  > > Brackets - I didn't really consider brackets in this design - I'm 
> sure
>  > > there's something that'll work - we'll see.
>  > >
>  > > Steve Drake
>  > >
>  >
>
>  
>

To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
From: contact@...
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:51:18 -0500
Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Klee v2 sequencer panel fpd file posted

I'm leaning towards knobs now, but in a circular pattern a al meester White's seq.
But yeah, I don't see them being in stock for at least two months, at this rate.

DIY... indeed! Whatever works. Music isn't made by waiting for the next piece of gear! (or a panel!)

Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@...
http://www.bridechamber.com
Jealous Edison Record Kompany
http://www.jealousedison.com


On Jun 20, 2008, at 4:44 PM, sduck409 wrote:

Hi - Never had a problem with scratches on mine. Although I don't move
mine around much once they're in the cabinet, and the cabinet never
leaves the room. And the oldest one I have is only 2 years or so.
Coating is a good idea though - I'll have to consider this idea - what
do you suggest coating with?

Knobs/faders - as far as I could tell the discussion was over - a
vocal minority, of which I was a member, wanted knobs, but Scott was
leaning towards faders. So, I can wait and take my chances whether
Scott's panel design meets my needs, or even appears, or I can get my
own design built now. I've got the knobs, and the resistors, and
everything else - just need a panel! That's what DIY is all about
anyway - not being part of the herd - right?

As mentioned earlier, there's a picture of this design in the photos
section of this group, in the misc folder.

Cheers, Steve

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "adaaxs" wrote:
>
> We all understand where you are coming from Steve. I occasionally
break down and get a
> shaeffer panel but they I have to get it coated after I get it from
FPE or it will scratch up
> madly , out of the box they are too fragile for the money. We are
still discussing knobs
> and sliders and what kind of resistors to use and you want to go
ahead. Have you got a
> non .fpd version of the file we can view ?
>
>
> >
> > Ok, I finally got around to finishing this one up - I would have done
> > it a week ago but had to deal with a case of Rocky Mountain Spotted
> > fever - yuck. Tere's also a screen cap in the misc folder of the
> > pictures section for instant gratification.
> >
> > I really wanted to work this into a 6u panel, hopefully incorporting
> > parts of Thomas White's excellent rotary design, but just couldn't
> > begin to make it all fit. It's pretty tight in 8u. I started with Jeff
> >; Pontius's old milton design, and basically erased everything below the
> > middle, and incorporated lots of bits from Clickmrmike's and Will and
> > Bill's designs, juggling some switch positions to suit my tastes and
> > putting back in the switch they left out (it's probably not necessary,
> > but there it is). Then I spent forever juggling everything around to
> > make it look hunky-dory, at least kind of.
> >
> > Somehow in the course of doing this the price dropped a bit - my
> > original layout with all the holes and labels was over 160$ (US), but
> > the finished version is about 146$ - go figure. I did replace a bunch
> >; of loosely created place holder items with copied and pasted groups of
> > items, like the switch boxes - maybe that makes a difference.
> >
> > I'm highly tempted to create a color version of this one - once you
> > sart adding color fills, it's just a flat rate 7$ addon, and you can
> > use all the colors you want after that - so since I'm already spending
> > a bunch, why not? But there's the deciding on the miriad of choices
> > part - fairly daunting. Anyone want to take a crack at this? It's free
> > until you press the buy button, of course.
> >
> > The hole sizes are all for the same hardware synthtech uses - spectrol
> > pots, switchcraft 1/4 jacks, nkk bat switches, lumex 5/16 leds, and
> > all the knobs are meant to be the smaller version of the standard motm
> > style PKES-60B-1/4 knobs. Other stuff would also work fabulously in
> > there, but remember to adjust the hole diameters to what you're
using.
> >
> > I'd love to get opinions and feedback on this - this was a pretty big
> > undrtaking, and I'm not a graphics designer by any means, so there's
> > probably lots of design rules I've stepped all over. And while I've
> > read the various klee manuals and checked with the interconnect
> > schematics, I may have missed something - let me know if this is the
> > case.
> >;
> > Apologies to Scott Deyo for not waiting patiently for his soon-to-be
> > much more excellent design, which will of course cost half as much,
> > but I've got all the other parts sitting here burning a hole in my
> > build time plans. Actually, I'm not really ready to order this yet,
> > due to some financial tightness currently - maybe I'll come to my
> > senses. And you know you'll be geting a bunch of my money soon anyway
> > for brackets for this and some other stuff, so it'll all work out.
> > Brackets - I didn't really consider brackets in this design - I'm sure
> > there's something that'll work - we'll see.
> >
> > Steve Drake
> >
>

----- Original Message ----
From: THOMAS S WHITE <djthomaswhite@...>
To: modularsynthpanels@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:56:55 PM
Subject: RE: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Klee v2 sequencer panel fpd file posted


Hey guys,

I have Klee boards waiting. Maybe I can get together on a design for this sooner rather than the planned later. Let me mull that over this weekend. I want knobs too so I would go that direction. I was thinking more oval width ways for the shape of the circle (ala Buchla) with controls in the middle and around the corners. My one concern is the difference in the LEDs and switches and how they fall inline with the oval. Having experience with my rotary I don't mind, nor have I ever had trouble with, the switches being to the side and in a different shape than knobs. Thoughts?

It would be very helpful to have a breakdown of the required knobs, jacks, sliders etc to be on the panel. Sean, is your panel "stock" in this way? If so I could use it to base a new design off of. Here are some questions for the group:

1. Does MOTM-format 5 high sound fine?
2. I plan for small alpha pots (to save space), Lumex LEDs, and MOTM-type switches and jacks. Sound good?
3. How many space wide would you be willing to go? I could go a whole (19") rack width due to the overall "awesomeness" of this sequencer. 

Thoughts?

Thomas





________________________________
To: ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com
From: contact@bridechambe r.com
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:51:18 -0500
Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels ] Re: Klee v2 sequencer panel fpd file posted

I'm leaning towards knobs now, but in a circular pattern a al meester White's seq. 
But yeah, I don't see them being in stock for at least two months, at this rate.

DIY... indeed! Whatever works. Music isn't made by waiting for the next piece of gear! (or a panel!)

Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@bridechambe r.com
http://www.bridecha mber.com
Jealous Edison Record Kompany
http://www.jealouse dison.com


On Jun 20, 2008, at 4:44 PM, sduck409 wrote:


Hi - Never had a problem with scratches on mine. Although I don't move
mine around much once they're in the cabinet, and the cabinet never
leaves the room. And the oldest one I have is only 2 years or so.
Coating is a good idea though - I'll have to consider this idea - what
do you suggest coating with?

Knobs/faders - as far as I could tell the discussion was over - a
vocal minority, of which I was a member, wanted knobs, but Scott was
leaning towards faders. So, I can wait and take my chances whether
Scott's panel design meets my needs, or even appears, or I can get my
own design built now. I've got the knobs, and the resistors, and
everything else - just need a panel! That's what DIY is all about
anyway - not being part of the herd - right?

As mentioned earlier, there's a picture of this design in the photos
section of this group, in the misc folder. 

Cheers, Steve

--- In ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com, "adaaxs" <wonggster@.. .> wrote:
>
> We all understand where you are coming from Steve. I occasionally
break down and get a 
> shaeffer panel but they I have to get it coated after I get it from
FPE or it will scratch up 
> madly , out of the box they are too fragile for the money. We are
still discussing knobs 
> and sliders and what kind of resistors to use and you want to go
ahead. Have you got a 
> non .fpd version of the file we can view ? 
> 
> 
> >
> > Ok, I finally got around to finishing this one up - I would have done
> > it a week ago but had to deal with a case of Rocky Mountain Spotted
> > fever - yuck. Tere's also a screen cap in the misc folder of the
> > pictures section for instant gratification. 
> > 
> > I really wanted to work this into a 6u panel, hopefully incorporting
> > parts of Thomas White's excellent rotary design, but just couldn't
> > begin to make it all fit. It's pretty tight in 8u. I started with Jeff
> > Pontius's old milton design, and basically erased everything below the
> > middle, and incorporated lots of bits from Clickmrmike' s and Will and
> > Bill's designs, juggling some switch positions to suit my tastes and
> > putting back in the switch they left out (it's probably not necessary,
> > but there it is). Then I spent forever juggling everything around to
> > make it look hunky-dory, at least kind of. 
> > 
> > Somehow in the course of doing this the price dropped a bit - my
> > original layout with all the holes and labels was over 160$ (US), but
> > the finished version is about 146$ - go figure. I did replace a bunch
> > of loosely created place holder items with copied and pasted groups of
> > items, like the switch boxes - maybe that makes a difference. 
> > 
> > I'm highly tempted to create a color version of this one - once you
> > sart adding color fills, it's just a flat rate 7$ addon, and you can
> > use all the colors you want after that - so since I'm already spending
> > a bunch, why not? But there's the deciding on the miriad of choices
> > part - fairly daunting. Anyone want to take a crack at this? It's free
> > until you press the buy button, of course. 
> > 
> > The hole sizes are all for the same hardware synthtech uses - spectrol
> > pots, switchcraft 1/4 jacks, nkk bat switches, lumex 5/16 leds, and
> > all the knobs are meant to be the smaller version of the standard motm
> > style PKES-60B-1/4 knobs. Other stuff would also work fabulously in
> > there, but remember to adjust the hole diameters to what you're
using. 
> > 
> > I'd love to get opinions and feedback on this - this was a pretty big
> > undrtaking, and I'm not a graphics designer by any means, so there's
> > probably lots of design rules I've stepped all over. And while I've
> > read the various klee manuals and checked with the interconnect
> > schematics, I may have missed something - let me know if this is the
> > case. 
> > 
> > Apologies to Scott Deyo for not waiting patiently for his soon-to-be
> > much more excellent design, which will of course cost half as much,
> > but I've got all the other parts sitting here burning a hole in my
> > build time plans. Actually, I'm not really ready to order this yet,
> > due to some financial tightness currently - maybe I'll come to my
> > senses. And you know you'll be geting a bunch of my money soon anyway
> > for brackets for this and some other stuff, so it'll all work out.
> > Brackets - I didn't really consider brackets in this design - I'm sure
> > there's something that'll work - we'll see. 
> > 
> > Steve Drake
> >
>

       
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To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
From: sduck409@...
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:29:22 +0000
Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Klee v2 sequencer panel fpd file posted

Hi Thomas -

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, THOMAS S WHITE
...> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I have Klee boards waiting. Maybe I can get together on a design for
this sooner rather than the planned later. Let me mull that over this
weekend. I want knobs too so I would go that direction. I was thinking
more oval width ways for the shape of the circle (ala Buchla) with
controls in the middle and around the corners. My one concern is the
difference in the LEDs and switches and how they fall inline with the
oval. Having experience with my rotary I don't mind, nor have I ever
had trouble with, the switches being to the side and in a different
shape than knobs. Thoughts?

Considering it's a whole new instrument almost, a new layout is just
part of the fun. The one consideration I've heard is that the load
switch is used a LOT, so having it centrally located and/or readily
accessible is a good idea, and having the switches removed enough away
from the pots so there's no accidental knob tweaks during switch
changing is a really good idea also.

>
> It would be very helpful to have a breakdown of the required knobs,
jacks, sliders etc to be on the panel. Sean, is your panel "stock" in
this way? If so I could use it to base a new design off of. Here are
some questions for the group:

Yes, (assuming you meant me) my design is "stock" - no add-ons or
mods. The docs are freely available at electro-music-com, and the
interconect doc is the relevant one you want to make sure you get all
the right connections. The only real variable is the range
knob/switch/jack arrangement - there are 4 options, mine is option 4,
which is the most flexible I think.

>
> 1. Does MOTM-format 5 high sound fine?

Yes, of course!

> 2. I plan for small alpha pots (to save space), Lumex LEDs, and
MOTM-type switches and jacks. Sound good?

Yes!

> 3. How many space wide would you be willing to go? I could go a
whole (19") rack width due to the overall "awesomeness" of this
sequencer.

Well, honestly the smaller the better. As I mentioned, I couldn't find
a way to mod your original design into a klee - too much extra stuff,
so you'd probably have to spread it out to 8u. But you have crazy mad
designer skillz that are beyond me, so whatever works!
>

To: modularsynthpanels@yahoogroups.com
From: djthomaswhite@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 22:09:23 +0000
Subject: RE: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Klee v2 sequencer panel fpd file posted

Hey man,

Here's my work in progress. Have to leave for a bit just now, but will try to finish tonight. Thoughts so far? I still need to handle the load/random and range sections a bit better but progress is being made. Smaller alpha and PKES60 knobs.

Thomas

To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
From: sduck409@comcast.net
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:29:22 +0000
Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Klee v2 sequencer panel fpd file posted

Hi Thomas -

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, THOMAS S WHITE
...> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I have Klee boards waiting. Maybe I can get together on a design for
this sooner rather than the planned later. Let me mull that over this
weekend. I want knobs too so I would go that direction. I was thinking
more oval width ways for the shape of the circle (ala Buchla) with
controls in the middle and around the corners. My one concern is the
difference in the LEDs and switches and how they fall inline with the
oval. Having experience with my rotary I don't mind, nor have I ever
had trouble with, the switches being to the side and in a different
shape than knobs. Thoughts?

Considering it's a whole new instrument almost, a new layout is just
part of the fun. The one consideration I've heard is that the load
switch is used a LOT, so having it centrally located and/or readily
accessible is a good idea, and having the switches removed enough away
from the pots so there's no accidental knob tweaks during switch
changing is a really good idea also.

>
> It would be very helpful to have a breakdown of the required knobs,
jacks, sliders etc to be on the panel. Sean, is your panel "stock" in
this way? If so I could use it to base a new design off of. Here are
some questions for the group:

Yes, (assuming you meant me) my design is "stock" - no add-ons or
mods. The docs are freely available at electro-music-com, and the
interconect doc is the relevant one you want to make sure you get all
the right connections. The only real variable is the range
knob/switch/jack arrangement - there are 4 options, mine is option 4,
which is the most flexible I think.

>
> 1. Does MOTM-format 5 high sound fine?

Yes, of course!

> 2. I plan for small alpha pots (to save space), Lumex LEDs, and
MOTM-type switches and jacks. Sound good?

Yes!

> 3. How many space wide would you be willing to go? I could go a
whole (19") rack width due to the overall "awesomeness" of this
sequencer.

Well, honestly the smaller the better. As I mentioned, I couldn't find
a way to mod your original design into a klee - too much extra stuff,
so you'd probably have to spread it out to 8u. But you have crazy mad
designer skillz that are beyond me, so whatever works!
>

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On Jun 21, 2008, at 5:50 PM, THOMAS S WHITE wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> (sorry if this duplicates guys!)
>
> New photo added to the photo section in a new KLEE designs folder. I 
> have been working on the KLEE sequencer rotary design this morning. I 
> have an 8-space FPE panel in progress with an oval instead of a circle 
> for the pots. Step 1 is about where 7 o'clock would be on a clock to 
> start at the bottom and go up and around the oval. This is due to the 
> sequencer functioning at either 1x16 or 2x8. I figure up and down 
> looks better in duel mode that the appearance of forward and backward. 
> Thoughts?
>
> The glide knob in the upper left is where the random section knobs 
> will go. Clock stuff will go in the lower left. The star washers are 
> where the "load" and "manual" buttons will go. I think I have it 
> coming along so far. The range section is going to be redone to 
> incorporate Sduck's range suggestion from his panel.
>
> What am I missing? What would you like to see? Send your thoughts 
> since I will be working on this tonight and trying to finish up the 
> original design. Maybe if this is liked by all we can pester Mr. Deyo 
> to make them for much less than the $200 FPE price it is sitting at 
> now...
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>> To: modularsynthpanels@yahoogroups.com
>> From: djthomaswhite@hotmail.com
>> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 22:09:23 +0000
>> Subject: RE: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Klee v2 sequencer panel fpd 
>> file posted
>>
>>
>> Hey man,
>>
>> Here's my work in progress. Have to leave for a bit just now, but 
>> will try to finish tonight. Thoughts so far? I still need to handle 
>> the load/random and range sections a bit better but progress is being 
>> made. Smaller alpha and PKES60 knobs.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>>
>>> To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
>>> From: sduck409@...
>>> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:29:22 +0000
>>> Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Klee v2 sequencer panel fpd file 
>>> posted
>>>
>>>  Hi Thomas -
>>>
>>>  --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, THOMAS S WHITE
>>>  <djthomaswhite@...> wrote:
>>>  >
>>>  > Hey guys,
>>>  >
>>>  > I have Klee boards waiting. Maybe I can get together on a design 
>>> for
>>>  this sooner rather than the planned later. Let me mull that over 
>>> this
>>>  weekend. I want knobs too so I would go that direction. I was 
>>> thinking
>>>  more oval width ways for the shape of the circle (ala Buchla) with
>>>  controls in the middle and around the corners. My one concern is the
>>>  difference in the LEDs and switches and how they fall inline with 
>>> the
>>>  oval. Having experience with my rotary I don't mind, nor have I ever
>>>  had trouble with, the switches being to the side and in a different
>>>  shape than knobs. Thoughts?
>>>
>>>  Considering it's a whole new instrument almost, a new layout is just
>>>  part of the fun. The one consideration I've heard is that the load
>>>  switch is used a LOT, so having it centrally located and/or readily
>>>  accessible is a good idea, and having the switches removed enough 
>>> away
>>>  from the pots so there's no accidental knob tweaks during switch
>>>  changing is a really good idea also.
>>>
>>>  >
>>>  > It would be very helpful to have a breakdown of the required 
>>> knobs,
>>>  jacks, sliders etc to be on the panel. Sean, is your panel "stock" 
>>> in
>>>  this way? If so I could use it to base a new design off of. Here are
>>>  some questions for the group:
>>>
>>>  Yes, (assuming you meant me) my design is "stock" - no add-ons or
>>>  mods. The docs are freely available at electro-music-com, and the
>>>  interconect doc is the relevant one you want to make sure you get 
>>> all
>>>  the right connections. The only real variable is the range
>>>  knob/switch/jack arrangement - there are 4 options, mine is option 
>>> 4,
>>>  which is the most flexible I think.
>>>
>>>  >
>>>  > 1. Does MOTM-format 5 high sound fine?
>>>
>>>  Yes, of course!
>>>
>>>  > 2. I plan for small alpha pots (to save space), Lumex LEDs, and
>>>  MOTM-type switches and jacks. Sound good?
>>>
>>>  Yes!
>>>
>>>  > 3. How many space wide would you be willing to go? I could go a
>>>  whole (19") rack width due to the overall "awesomeness" of this
>>>  sequencer.
>>>
>>>  Well, honestly the smaller the better. As I mentioned, I couldn't 
>>> find
>>>  a way to mod your original design into a klee - too much extra 
>>> stuff,
>>>  so you'd probably have to spread it out to 8u. But you have crazy 
>>> mad
>>>  designer skillz that are beyond me, so whatever works!
>>>  >
>>>
>>>
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> 
> Thomas
>

> >>>  some questions for the group:
> >>>
> >>>  Yes, (assuming you meant me) my design is "stock" - no add-ons or
> >>>  mods. The docs are freely available at electro-music-com, and the
> >>>  interconect doc is the relevant one you want to make sure you get 
> >>> all
> >>>  the right connections. The only real variable is the range
> >>>  knob/switch/jack arrangement - there are 4 options, mine is option 
> >>> 4,
> >>>  which is the most flexible I think.
> >>>
> >>>  >
> >>>  > 1. Does MOTM-format 5 high sound fine?
> >>>
> >>>  Yes, of course!
> >>>
> >>>  > 2. I plan for small alpha pots (to save space), Lumex LEDs, and
> >>>  MOTM-type switches and jacks. Sound good?
> >>>
> >>>  Yes!
> >>>
> >>>  > 3. How many space wide would you be willing to go? I could go a
> >>>  whole (19") rack width due to the overall "awesomeness" of this
> >>>  sequencer.
> >>>
> >>>  Well, honestly the smaller the better. As I mentioned, I couldn't 
> >>> find
> >>>  a way to mod your original design into a klee - too much extra 
> >>> stuff,
> >>>  so you'd probably have to spread it out to 8u. But you have crazy 
> >>> mad
> >>>  designer skillz that are beyond me, so whatever works!
> >>>  >
> >>>
> >>>
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