On 5/12/08, wjhall11 put forth: >OK - now you've done it! <LOL> Will had been asking me about maybe a >driver circuit and I had been ignoring him. I'm not an engineer and I >haven't a clue how to make one. Can you tell us how to do this? That >really would be fun. Maybe we could figure out how to do it with an >MUUB PCB and post it on our Tau Pipe construction page. Bill Well, I'm not an engineer either, but when has that stopped us?? :) In order to figure out a driver circuit, we need to know exactly what the output of the LFO is. JH posted this to the E-M forum: "The CV range: Positive only, up to about +10V. Exact value in manual control depends on exact value of PITCH potentiometer. Exact value in LFO depends on saturation of your specific TL072 you're using for IC6. But roughly 10V." While that makes sense, as a negative voltage wouldn't get past D1, I don't see how the Down LED would light unless the LFO went negative. So could someone measure the output of the LFO?? It goes to one side of the "Osc Level" pot. While you are at it, could you also measure the output of the manual circuit (which goes to CV out in the stock circuit)?? :) Looking at the driver circuit for the MOTM-320, it uses a diode so that the current for each colour is set with a separate resistor. I'm guessing the green LED is inherently a bit brighter than the red LED?? An OP-275 is a good choice of op-amp because it can output a relatively large amount of current, but is unlikely necessary unless you want the LED to be unnecessarily bright. You don't need anything as sophisticated as a MUUB-2, as you don't need trimmers or bypass caps. Noise and precision are not issues if all you are doing is driving an LED. I used 741's I found in my parts bin to add LED's to my 800's. I tapped the power where the MAT connector is soldered to the board, and then built little driver circuits on little pieces of plain perfboard the size of postage stamps. I didn't put the LED in the feedback path or bother to add in the forward voltage of the LED's so they do not light when the output of the 800 is very low (when sustain is below "2"), but other than that they work fine. So we need to find out what the output of the LFO is, so that we know the voltage in order to calculate the current-limiting resistor, and so that we have a signal that goes from a negative voltage to the opposite positive voltage, so that current flows through the LED one way then the other. Once we know that, we can build an inverting summing amp and add in an offset voltage to convert the signal from 0 to 10V into -5V to +5V (if that is the case). Then take the output and send it through the LED through a resistor to ground, or put it in a feedback path to compensate for the forward voltage of the diode. Notice that unless the JH 20-Pole Phaser LFO is already bipolar and symmetrical around 0V, we can't just borrow the MOTM-320 circuit as is. Don't worry about inverting the signal, you can just flip the LED around :) Also, I don't have any bipolar LED's except the ones already installed in my 320's, so I won't be able to test the circuit. Although, I guess I could sort of build one from two regular LED's, but then again, I haven't started building my phaser either...
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[ModularSynthPanels] Re: tau pipe red/green led wiring?
2008-05-13 by Mark
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