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Re: [Mellotronists] Digest Number 1270

2006-03-01 by Antone

I realize this is probably sacrilege to bring up but I've never been
known for my tact or sense of propriety: I am curious about the M-Tron
software. Has anybody tried it? Perhaps in the privacy of their own
homes (and washed their hands afterwards) and aren't embarrassed to
admit it? I love the sound and feel of furniture and heft but don't have
a roadie, tech, or enough spinal discs to continue to drag it around.
I'm looking at having to alter the character of my songs by using a
(retch) string synth on stage or quit touring to preserve the integrity
of my music and get a real job. Mellotronists don't let Mellotronists
get day jobs. Think of the children...

Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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> Topics in this digest:
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> 1. Great Crimson video
> From: "David Jacques" <djacques@...>
> 2. Re: Great Crimson video
> From: "ceccles_ca" <ecclesreinson@...>
> 3. RE: Re: Great Crimson video
> From: "David Jacques" <djacques@...>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:26:57 -0800
> From: "David Jacques" <djacques@...>
> Subject: Great Crimson video
>
> I can't get over the excellent version of COTCK by Steve Hackett and Ian
> McDonald. I believe that is Chester Thompson on drums too.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-SfljSjrAc&search=king%20crimson
>
>
> Its interesting how both Ian McDonald and the other keyboardist play both
> Mellotron parts. You can see just enough of what they are doing... Nice to
> see how Ian double-tracked the original tron lines in the song.
>
> It is also interesting to hear all the parts being covered, including the
> little toy piano sound in the verses... And even Chester does the great drum
> line under the later verses....
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:23:10 -0000
> From: "ceccles_ca" <ecclesreinson@...>
> Subject: Re: Great Crimson video
>
> --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "David Jacques" <djacques@...>
> ... And even Chester does the great drum line under the later
> verses....
>
> At 'Tronto II, someone (Rick Blechta?) asked Ian about working with
> Chester T . He said "Pardon me.... Who? What? Sorry but I can't
> hear since working with Chester".
>
> I guess he's a loud drummer.
>
> Clay
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> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:46:09 -0800
> From: "David Jacques" <djacques@...>
> Subject: RE: Re: Great Crimson video
>
> Well, Chester's style is totally different from Michael Giles'. Both are
> incredible musicians, but Chester is much harder and Michael is much
> jazzier.... I love Chester's work on the Genesis' great concert video "The
> Way We Walk"...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
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> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:23 PM
> To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Mellotronists] Re: Great Crimson video
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> --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "David Jacques" <djacques@...>
> ... And even Chester does the great drum line under the later
> verses....
>
> At 'Tronto II, someone (Rick Blechta?) asked Ian about working with
> Chester T . He said "Pardon me.... Who? What? Sorry but I can't
> hear since working with Chester".
>
> I guess he's a loud drummer.
>
> Clay
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Re: [Mellotronists] Digest Number 1270

2006-03-01 by jeffc@netaxs.com

On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Antone wrote:

> I realize this is probably sacrilege to bring up but I've never been
> known for my tact or sense of propriety: I am curious about the M-Tron
> software. Has anybody tried it? Perhaps in the privacy of their own
> homes (and washed their hands afterwards) and aren't embarrassed to
> admit it? I love the sound and feel of furniture and heft but don't have
> a roadie, tech, or enough spinal discs to continue to drag it around.
> I'm looking at having to alter the character of my songs by using a
> (retch) string synth on stage or quit touring to preserve the integrity
> of my music and get a real job. Mellotronists don't let Mellotronists
> get day jobs. Think of the children...



don't have it or use it myself.
i do, however, have a friend that swears by it [www.alon.tv].

i would find it rather scary to rely on a pc or even a mac live on stage.

i would, forced to choose, use my sampler [ensoniq asr-10] and the
mellotron archives/pinder cdrom.

m-tron has been discussed here in the past quite a bit, and if i recall,
some do think it works pretty well, although i think there was mention
that some of the sources used were somewhat less than the best possible
quality [mellotron used or tapes in questionable state], but i could
be mistaken on that.

the message archives for this group may prove useful to you.

feel free to email alon via his website.
he's a great guy, loves to discuss music/gear.
tell him jeff sent ya.
i'm probably getting together with him next week for a couple beers
and to see his new studio [he just recently moved and built a new
room at his new house].

best,
jeff

Re: [Mellotronists] Digest Number 1270 (Mtron question)

2006-03-01 by sdavmor

Antone wrote:
> I realize this is probably sacrilege to bring up but I've never been
> known for my tact or sense of propriety: I am curious about the M-Tron
> software. Has anybody tried it? Perhaps in the privacy of their own
> homes (and washed their hands afterwards) and aren't embarrassed to
> admit it? I love the sound and feel of furniture and heft but don't have
> a roadie, tech, or enough spinal discs to continue to drag it around.
> I'm looking at having to alter the character of my songs by using a
> (retch) string synth on stage or quit touring to preserve the integrity
> of my music and get a real job. Mellotronists don't let Mellotronists
> get day jobs. Think of the children...

It's serviceable, but I find the Pinder sample set (Akai compatible)
*much* better. If you're going PC (or even Mac) on stage in lieu of a
sampler, you can always convert the Pinder from Akai to WAV and then
playback the samples using Sampletank or equivalent tool. Either way
you'll most likely be happier than using an ersatz "string-synth".

For checking out at Soundclick (see my sig): "Under Oriental Skies"
and "The Boy Who Gazed At Stars" both have their 'tron parts done by
me using the Pinder samples. I did an OK job, and they'll give you an
idea of what to expect. You'll fool all but the really knowledgeable
punters and owners of the real McCoy. And you might even fool some of
them too...
--
Cheers,
SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
Systems Theory internet music project links:
soundclick <www.soundclick.com/systemstheory>
garageband <http://www.garageband.com/artist/systemstheory>
"Soundtracks For Imaginary Movies" CD released Dec 2004
"Codetalkers" CD coming very soon in 2006
NP: nothing

Re: [Mellotronists] Digest Number 1270

2006-03-01 by fdoddy@aol.com

No room for elitism IMHO. The M-tron sounds fine. It's like truffle
oil as opposed to real truffles.

Fritz

-----Original Message-----
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From: Antone <tflas@...>
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:32:46 -0800
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Digest Number 1270

I realize this is probably sacrilege to bring up but I've never been
known for my tact or sense of propriety: I am curious about the M-Tron
software. Has anybody tried it? Perhaps in the privacy of their own
homes (and washed their hands afterwards) and aren't embarrassed to
admit it? I love the sound and feel of furniture and heft but don't
have
a roadie, tech, or enough spinal discs to continue to drag it around.
I'm looking at having to alter the character of my songs by using a
(retch) string synth on stage or quit touring to preserve the integrity
of my music and get a real job. Mellotronists don't let Mellotronists
get day jobs. Think of the children...

Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> There are 3 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Great Crimson video
> From: "David Jacques" <djacques@...>
> 2. Re: Great Crimson video
> From: "ceccles_ca" <ecclesreinson@...>
> 3. RE: Re: Great Crimson video
> From: "David Jacques" <djacques@...>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:26:57 -0800
> From: "David Jacques" <djacques@...>
> Subject: Great Crimson video
>
> I can't get over the excellent version of COTCK by Steve Hackett and
Ian
> McDonald. I believe that is Chester Thompson on drums too.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-SfljSjrAc&search=king%20crimson
>
>
> Its interesting how both Ian McDonald and the other keyboardist play
both
> Mellotron parts. You can see just enough of what they are doing...
Nice to
> see how Ian double-tracked the original tron lines in the song.
>
> It is also interesting to hear all the parts being covered, including
the
> little toy piano sound in the verses... And even Chester does the
great drum
> line under the later verses....
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:23:10 -0000
> From: "ceccles_ca" <ecclesreinson@...>
> Subject: Re: Great Crimson video
>
> --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "David Jacques" <djacques@...>
> ... And even Chester does the great drum line under the later
> verses....
>
> At 'Tronto II, someone (Rick Blechta?) asked Ian about working with
> Chester T . He said "Pardon me.... Who? What? Sorry but I can't
> hear since working with Chester".
>
> I guess he's a loud drummer.
>
> Clay
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:46:09 -0800
> From: "David Jacques" <djacques@...>
> Subject: RE: Re: Great Crimson video
>
> Well, Chester's style is totally different from Michael Giles'. Both
are
> incredible musicians, but Chester is much harder and Michael is much
> jazzier.... I love Chester's work on the Genesis' great concert
video "The
> Way We Walk"...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ceccles_ca
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:23 PM
> To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Mellotronists] Re: Great Crimson video
>
>
> --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "David Jacques" <djacques@...>
> ... And even Chester does the great drum line under the later
> verses....
>
> At 'Tronto II, someone (Rick Blechta?) asked Ian about working with
> Chester T . He said "Pardon me.... Who? What? Sorry but I can't
> hear since working with Chester".
>
> I guess he's a loud drummer.
>
> Clay
>
>
>
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS Music instruments Instrument music online store
Online
> music instrument store
> Music instrument stores Keyboard instrument Music
instrument sale
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Re: [Mellotronists] Digest Number 1270

2006-03-01 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 3/1/2006 11:58:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, fdoddy@... writes:
It's like truffle
oil as opposed to real truffles.
No it's not. It's more like peanut M&Ms as opposed to Turtles. A little more substance make to whole experience better. So there.
Or it's like riding a Harley as opposes to getting on one of those motorcycle simulators at the arcade.
Frank

Re: [Mellotronists] Digest Number 1270

2006-03-02 by Steve Ball

I've used M-Tron for some time now and have been very satisfied with the
sounds and playability. I think it's silly to make comparisons to a real
'tron because it's just not, but to my ears M-Tron sounds wonderful; it
definitely satisfies my craving for "that sound". However, I don't gig (and
consequently have to carry a PC or laptop) and I have the "luxury" of not
having a real 'tron to A/B it next to. It's a combination of
advantages/alternatives with the sound being one of them.

Steve,
Cincinnati

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Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Digest Number 1270


> I realize this is probably sacrilege to bring up but I've never been
> known for my tact or sense of propriety: I am curious about the M-Tron
> software. Has anybody tried it? Perhaps in the privacy of their own
> homes (and washed their hands afterwards) and aren't embarrassed to
> admit it? I love the sound and feel of furniture and heft but don't have
> a roadie, tech, or enough spinal discs to continue to drag it around.
> I'm looking at having to alter the character of my songs by using a
> (retch) string synth on stage or quit touring to preserve the integrity
> of my music and get a real job. Mellotronists don't let Mellotronists
> get day jobs. Think of the children...
>
> Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > There are 3 messages in this issue.
> >
> > Topics in this digest:
> >
> > 1. Great Crimson video
> > From: "David Jacques" <djacques@...>
> > 2. Re: Great Crimson video
> > From: "ceccles_ca" <ecclesreinson@...>
> > 3. RE: Re: Great Crimson video
> > From: "David Jacques" <djacques@...>
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:26:57 -0800
> > From: "David Jacques" <djacques@...>
> > Subject: Great Crimson video
> >
> > I can't get over the excellent version of COTCK by Steve Hackett and Ian
> > McDonald. I believe that is Chester Thompson on drums too.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-SfljSjrAc&search=king%20crimson
> >
> >
> > Its interesting how both Ian McDonald and the other keyboardist play
both
> > Mellotron parts. You can see just enough of what they are doing... Nice
to
> > see how Ian double-tracked the original tron lines in the song.
> >
> > It is also interesting to hear all the parts being covered, including
the
> > little toy piano sound in the verses... And even Chester does the great
drum
> > line under the later verses....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:23:10 -0000
> > From: "ceccles_ca" <ecclesreinson@...>
> > Subject: Re: Great Crimson video
> >
> > --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "David Jacques" <djacques@...>
> > ... And even Chester does the great drum line under the later
> > verses....
> >
> > At 'Tronto II, someone (Rick Blechta?) asked Ian about working with
> > Chester T . He said "Pardon me.... Who? What? Sorry but I can't
> > hear since working with Chester".
> >
> > I guess he's a loud drummer.
> >
> > Clay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:46:09 -0800
> > From: "David Jacques" <djacques@...>
> > Subject: RE: Re: Great Crimson video
> >
> > Well, Chester's style is totally different from Michael Giles'. Both are
> > incredible musicians, but Chester is much harder and Michael is much
> > jazzier.... I love Chester's work on the Genesis' great concert video
"The
> > Way We Walk"...
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ceccles_ca
> > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:23 PM
> > To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Mellotronists] Re: Great Crimson video
> >
> >
> > --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "David Jacques" <djacques@...>
> > ... And even Chester does the great drum line under the later
> > verses....
> >
> > At 'Tronto II, someone (Rick Blechta?) asked Ian about working with
> > Chester T . He said "Pardon me.... Who? What? Sorry but I can't
> > hear since working with Chester".
> >
> > I guess he's a loud drummer.
> >
> > Clay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Online
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> > Music instrument stores Keyboard instrument Music instrument
sale
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