Mellotronists

jonesalley wrote:

> So, you M300 folks - do you have rhythm tapes or do you get full-range
> lead tape sets?  Are there leads with more than the three octaves?
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Hi Jon and gang,
>
> Orig.  "B" series tapes loaded within M300/037  have piano and organ
> across the entire keyboard (52 keys) at Station-6.
>
> Diminished chords (# 1-3), Rhythms (# 4-16) & percussion (# 17-19).
> Percussion keys also include the ending codas similar to  MK-II's.
> Leads from # 20-52 .    "A" Series tapes have 2 leads across the
> entire
> keyboard at different Stations. 2 and  3 , I believe .
>
> Most bespoke tapes for M300 series are span-limited. Only the
> piano,organ sounds are full-range. Too bad the violins aren't ....
> Please correct me  anyone, if I'm in error.
>
> Cheers, Jerry  Korb
>
> "B" series M300 Rhythms  :
>
> Viennese Waltz,Quickstep,Samba,Slow Waltz,6/8 Tempo, Dixie (not MK2),
> 60's pop Slow and Fast,Latin American , and Slow Foxtrot.

>> Most bespoke tapes for M300 series are span-limited. Only the
>> piano,organ sounds are full-range. Too bad the violins aren't ....
>> Please correct me \ufffdanyone, if I'm in error.
>>
>> Cheers, Jerry \ufffdKorb

Most instruments ( excluding keyboards, most modern fretted instruments) don't fair well at either ends of the instruments ranges. Violins for instance become more noticably strident and out of tune when played further up in the register. Only three violins way up there would be shriekfest unless they play harmonics or are VERY good players.  Usually the ensemble expands to compensate. Safety in numbers, if you will. Similar with the winds and brass. Rick can attest to that. Even tougher with those to play at the bottom of the register. 

Fritz

Jezzer writted:
 
<<Most bespoke tapes for M300 series are span-limited>>
 
We now offer blended choir(M/F/B), strings(Cello/Viola/Violin)  and 
saxes(Tenor/Alto/Soprano) that cover the entire keyboard 'cos  we're clever bastards.
 
Martin

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This is the solution.


In a message dated 2/26/2005 9:59:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, tronbros@... writes:

>Jezzer writted:
> 
><<Most bespoke tapes for M300 series are span-limited>>
> 
>We now offer blended choir(M/F/B), strings(Cello/Viola/Violin) \ufffdand 
>saxes(Tenor/Alto/Soprano) that cover the entire keyboard 'cos \ufffdwe're clever bastards.
> 
>Martin
>
>STREETLY ELECTRONICS - All things Mellotronic \ufffd
>www.mellotronics.com
>
>US East Coast Agent - Jimmy Moore 
>_JMoore6397_ (mailto:JMoore6397) 
>US West Coast \ufffdAgent - Paul Cox _pjc56@..._ 
>(mailto:pjc56@...) 
>

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, tronbros@a... wrote:
> Jezzer writted:
>  
> <<Most bespoke tapes for M300 series are span-limited>>
>  
> We now offer blended choir(M/F/B), strings(Cello/Viola/Violin)  
and 
> saxes(Tenor/Alto/Soprano) that cover the entire keyboard 'cos  
we're clever bastards.
>  
> Martin
> 

Martin,

Does this mean that, for instance with sax, only tenor is at the low 
end and only soprano is at the high end with a combination of 
tenor/alto, tenor/alto/soprano and alto/soprano in between?

Is this the same with two tenor/two alto and two trombone/two 
trumpet for non-M300 tapes?

Bernie

Hi Bernie,
 
With the blended M300 sounds it is a gradual fading out of the lower  
instrument and the fading in of the higher one to make the transition  smooth.  There 
are areas on the keyboard where both instruments are being  crossfaded as 
opposed to 2 Tenors and 2 Altos where everything is firing in  unison.
 
Best,
 
Martin

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www.mellotronics.com

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--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, tronbros@a... wrote:
> Hi Bernie,
>  
> With the blended M300 sounds it is a gradual fading out of the 
lower  
> instrument and the fading in of the higher one to make the 
transition  smooth.  There 
> are areas on the keyboard where both instruments are being  
crossfaded as 
> opposed to 2 Tenors and 2 Altos where everything is firing in  
unison.
>  
> Best,
>  
> Martin
> 

Martin,

Is the gradual fading the technique Les Bradley used for the Les 
Bradley Orchestra sound? Mike Dickson uses the term "weighted" on 
the Mellotron Tape Library. Same thing?

Bernie

On Feb 26, 2005, at 9:52 AM, fdoddy@... wrote:

> Most instruments ( excluding keyboards, most modern fretted 
> instruments) don't fair well at either ends of the instruments ranges. 
> Violins for instance become more noticably strident and out of tune 
> when played further up in the register. Only three violins way up 
> there would be shriekfest unless they play harmonics or are VERY good 
> players.  Usually the ensemble expands to compensate. Safety in 
> numbers, if you will. Similar with the winds and brass. Rick can 
> attest to that. Even tougher with those to play at the bottom of the 
> register.
>
> Fritz

I attest! I attest!

Rick

PS Fritz did you say violinists wouldn't sound good unless they played 
harmonicas? I attest to that, too...

In a message dated 26/02/2005 20:44:16 GMT Standard Time, kornowicz@...  
writes:

Is the  gradual fading the technique Les Bradley used for the Les 
Bradley  Orchestra sound? Mike Dickson uses the term "weighted" on 
the Mellotron  Tape Library. Same thing?







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www.mellotronics.com

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In a message dated 26/02/2005 20:44:16 GMT Standard Time, kornowicz@...  
writes:


Is  the gradual fading the technique Les Bradley used for the Les 
Bradley  Orchestra sound? Mike Dickson uses the term "weighted" on 
the Mellotron  Tape Library. Same thing?



Not quite.  In the case of the M300, the idea was to create one  continuous 
instrument from three sources.  With the M400 Orchestra, the  idea was to have 
a sound that had a balance and weight throughout the 35 note  scale.
 
Best,
 
Martin

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www.mellotronics.com

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jerry Korb

To: MELLOTRONISTS-LIST

Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 3:36 AM

Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] another one.....M300 Tapes

Dear all

OK, some confusion here - were there two different versions of the M300 tapeset? Is that what's meant by 'A' or 'B' violins? I've got a list of the M300 sounds in the same Word doc as the MkII, but it only lists one track of violins.

Andy T.

Orig. "B" series tapes loaded within M300/037 have piano and organ
across the entire keyboard (52 keys) at Station-6.

Diminished chords (# 1-3), Rhythms (# 4-16) & percussion (# 17-19).
Percussion keys also include the ending codas similar to MK-II's.
Leads from # 20-52 . "A" Series tapes have 2 leads across the entire
keyboard at different Stations. 2 and 3 , I believe .

Most bespoke tapes for M300 series are span-limited. Only the
piano,organ sounds are full-range. Too bad the violins aren't ....
Please correct me anyone, if I'm in error.

Hello,

Here is the list of the M300A sounds (from Martin) :

  Rhythm

         A                      B
  SAMBA             BOSSA NOVA 
  PIANO               DIXIELAND
  QUICKSTEP      MEDIUM FOXTROT
  LATIN                SLOW FOXTROT 
  SLOW WALTZ   VIENNESE WALTZ
  CELLO              ORGAN BASS

  Leads

         A                B                       
  FLUTE         TROMBONE
  PIANO         VIBES
  CLARINET      ORGAN
  SPANISH GTR   ORGAN
  ORGAN       CELESTE
  VIOLIN        HARPSICHORD



Here is the list of the M300B sounds :

Rhythm

         A                                  B
  VIENNESE WALTZ       QUICKSTEP 
  SAMBA                         SLOW WALTZ
  6/8 TEMPO                   DIXIELAND
  POP                              POP 
  LATIN                           SLOW FOXTROT
  PIANO                          ORGAN

  Leads

         A                B                       
  FLUTE         TROMBONE
  PIANO         VIBES
  CLARINET      ORGAN
  SPANISH GTR   ORGAN
  ORGAN       CELESTE
  VIOLIN        HARPSICHORD


The first M300s had the M300A sounds. Then, this tape set was replaced 
by the M300B.
The lead section seems identical between M300A and M300B but the 
Violins sound :
M300A violins is 2 violins in unison (used by Gentle Giant and Barclay 
James Harvest)
M300B violin is a solo violin (used by The Moody Blues)
I don't know  the other differences between M300A and M300B sounds. 
Martin ?

Cheers,

David
Egrefin Home Studio
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/egrefin

>  Dear all
>
> OK, some confusion here - were there two different versions of the 
> M300 tapeset? Is that what's meant by 'A' or 'B' violins? I've got a 
> list of the M300 sounds in the same Word doc as the MkII, but it only 
> lists one track of violins.
>
> Andy T.
>
> Orig.  "B" series tapes loaded within M300/037  have piano and organ
>  across the entire keyboard (52 keys) at Station-6.
>
>  Diminished chords (# 1-3), Rhythms (# 4-16) & percussion (# 17-19).
>  Percussion keys also include the ending codas similar to  MK-II's.
>  Leads from # 20-52 .    "A" Series tapes have 2 leads across the 
> entire
>  keyboard at different Stations. 2 and  3 , I believe .
>
>  Most bespoke tapes for M300 series are span-limited. Only the
>  piano,organ sounds are full-range. Too bad the violins aren't ....
>  Please correct me  anyone, if I'm in error.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: egrefin@...

To: MELLOTRONISTS-LIST

Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:29 PM

Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] another one.....M300 Tapes

David

Many thanks for setting me straight on that one!

Cheers,

Andy T.

Here is the list of the M300A sounds (from Martin)...