Mellotronists

I think it's the same one.  Look at the smile.

On Wednesday, February 18, 2004, at 03:50  am, jonesalley wrote:

> I think it's the same one.  Look at the smile.
>
>


Don't think it is, but it may have had its teeth 'fixed' by the same 
dentist.........

Bad.

C

http://www.s-club.co.uk
        Sundae Club*
    [there ain't no party]

...flows through my mind...

But my eyes can only see an EBay listing that taunts me with the possibility
of supporting the lyrics mentioned.

I don't think that this is the same instrument that was retracted from ebay
this past weekend.  It appears to be in better order, is located on the
other side of the US, and includes a few extras that, I think, a Mellotron
fan would interest a true Mellotron fan.

I am concerned, however, that the seller has only 2 feedback responses -
both as a buyer.  On the other hand, the seller does have several other
items for sell, all of which are related to music production/recording.  By
the description, it sounds like the seller is legitamite.

I have some questions for you tron owners:

Do you need to de-magnetize the heads on a regular basis?  How about head
alignment - I'm sure that the azimuth has some effect on the high frequency
response (...woo hoo, don't we sound technical, now?...)

I am also curious, how do 3 sounds get stored on one tape?  Is the frame
shifted to accomodate each tone; one sound a bit to the left, another a bit
to the right, and the third is dead center?

Thanks, in advance

(Optimistically) Future Mellotron owner,

-John Hofmeyer

ps. Check out the new Metaphor CD!

pss.  If anyone has worked with Frank in Mellotron renovation, please send
me an email.  I think I may use his services and would like to know,
privately, about your experiences.  Thanks again - may the your (7th)
Sojourn to the Krimson Cing present you with Wonderous Stories.

[...I like Wonderous Stories just fine.  But I like the last track on that
disc, "Awaken", even better.  Sure, it is a bit over the top - but it is a
great listen on a calm, saturday afternoon - just before dusk when you're
about to meet up with your romantic interest and you've accomplished
something in the week prior that makes you proud and humble all at the same
time...]

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Crawford [mailto:g-colin.crawford@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:44 PM
To: mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] M400



On Wednesday, February 18, 2004, at 03:50  am, jonesalley wrote:

> I think it's the same one.  Look at the smile.
>
>


Don't think it is, but it may have had its teeth 'fixed' by the same
dentist.........

Bad.

C

http://www.s-club.co.uk
        Sundae Club*
    [there ain't no party]





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Hi John,
I've never demaged my heads - but that's only because I don't have 
a demagger, so I guess it's a useful thing to have. Frequency of 
demaging depends on how much you play the thing and how well 
you treat it. I wouldn't have thought more than once a year would be 
necessary unless of course you accidentally magnetise the heads 
by unplugging and replugging the headblock cable while it's 
switched on. If you do unplug the co-ax cable for any reason you 
should short out the centre pin to the outer casing on the socket 
before you plug back in. You can easily use the edge of the plug to 
do this.
Regarding head alignment - don't touch it! If you seriously think you 
heads do need adjusting (and I think this is fairly rare) send the 
whole headblock to Streetly and they'll do it properly.
The 3 sounds on M400s/MkII's are recorded on 3 tracks adjacent to 
each other and they are selected by moving the whole headblock 
left, centre or right via the linkage connected to the selector switch 
on the control panel. It's purely a mechanical thing.
Good luck
John
M300/005

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From:           	"John Hofmeyer" <j_hofmeyer@...>
Date sent:      	Wed, 18 Feb 2004 01:23:11 -0800
Subject:        	[Mellotronists] Ice blue, silver sky...
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> ...flows through my mind...
> 
> But my eyes can only see an EBay listing that taunts me with the possibility
> of supporting the lyrics mentioned.
> 
> I don't think that this is the same instrument that was retracted from ebay
> this past weekend.  It appears to be in better order, is located on the
> other side of the US, and includes a few extras that, I think, a Mellotron
> fan would interest a true Mellotron fan.
> 
> I am concerned, however, that the seller has only 2 feedback responses -
> both as a buyer.  On the other hand, the seller does have several other
> items for sell, all of which are related to music production/recording.  By
> the description, it sounds like the seller is legitamite.
> 
> I have some questions for you tron owners:
> 
> Do you need to de-magnetize the heads on a regular basis?  How about head
> alignment - I'm sure that the azimuth has some effect on the high frequency
> response (...woo hoo, don't we sound technical, now?...)
> 
> I am also curious, how do 3 sounds get stored on one tape?  Is the frame
> shifted to accomodate each tone; one sound a bit to the left, another a bit
> to the right, and the third is dead center?
> 
> Thanks, in advance
> 
> (Optimistically) Future Mellotron owner,
> 
> -John Hofmeyer
> 
> ps. Check out the new Metaphor CD!
> 
> pss.  If anyone has worked with Frank in Mellotron renovation, please send
> me an email.  I think I may use his services and would like to know,
> privately, about your experiences.  Thanks again - may the your (7th)
> Sojourn to the Krimson Cing present you with Wonderous Stories.
> 
> [...I like Wonderous Stories just fine.  But I like the last track on that
> disc, "Awaken", even better.  Sure, it is a bit over the top - but it is a
> great listen on a calm, saturday afternoon - just before dusk when you're
> about to meet up with your romantic interest and you've accomplished
> something in the week prior that makes you proud and humble all at the same
> time...]
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Colin Crawford [mailto:g-colin.crawford@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:44 PM
> To: mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] M400
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, February 18, 2004, at 03:50  am, jonesalley wrote:
> 
> > I think it's the same one.  Look at the smile.
> >
> >
> 
> 
> Don't think it is, but it may have had its teeth 'fixed' by the same
> dentist.........
> 
> Bad.
> 
> C
> 
> http://www.s-club.co.uk
>         Sundae Club*
>     [there ain't no party]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
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>

The last version of the sale plainly stated that the
guy didn't want to pay for straightening/replacing
those keys. Can we not abstain a bit from the cheap
shots?? It's getting pretty tiresome.

Mark

--- Colin Crawford <g-colin.crawford@...>
wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, February 18, 2004, at 03:50  am,
> jonesalley wrote:
> 
> > I think it's the same one.  Look at the smile.
> >
> >
> 
> 
> Don't think it is, but it may have had its teeth
> 'fixed' by the same 
> dentist.........
> 
> Bad.
> 
> C
> 
> http://www.s-club.co.uk
>         Sundae Club*
>     [there ain't no party]
> 
> 


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In a message dated 19/2/04 3:28:43 PM GMT Standard Time, easle12@... 
writes:


> The last version of the sale plainly stated that the
> guy didn't want to pay for straightening/replacing
> those keys. Can we not abstain a bit from the cheap
> shots?? It's getting pretty tiresome.
> 

Hang on.  This guy has thrown $3000 at this machine.  The keys should be 
levelled, the bearings should be changed, the thing should be like new including a 
cabinet respray at this price.  Cheap shots my arse.  Shoddy crap more like 
exposed for all the world to see.  There's another example of similar 
workmanship at an inflated price in the north of your fair continent which has just 
been tweaked effectively for free out of sympathy.  Don't tolerate less than 
excellent EVER.  

Martin
Streetly Electronics - all things MELLOTRONIC - click this link..........

US East Coast Agent: Jimmy Moore - JMoore6397@...

West Coast Service Agent:  Paul J Cox - pjc56@...

Another weak assumption. We don't (I will find out)
what was done and for how much by whom. Besides that,
he claims that it plays great...so SOMETHING must have
been done. You need a tranquilizer.


--- tronbros@... wrote:
> In a message dated 19/2/04 3:28:43 PM GMT Standard
> Time, easle12@... 
> writes:
> 
> 
> > The last version of the sale plainly stated that
> the
> > guy didn't want to pay for straightening/replacing
> > those keys. Can we not abstain a bit from the
> cheap
> > shots?? It's getting pretty tiresome.
> > 
> 
> Hang on.  This guy has thrown $3000 at this machine.
>  The keys should be 
> levelled, the bearings should be changed, the thing
> should be like new including a 
> cabinet respray at this price.  Cheap shots my arse.
>  Shoddy crap more like 
> exposed for all the world to see.  There's another
> example of similar 
> workmanship at an inflated price in the north of
> your fair continent which has just 
> been tweaked effectively for free out of sympathy. 
> Don't tolerate less than 
> excellent EVER.  
> 
> Martin
> Streetly Electronics - all things MELLOTRONIC -
> click this link..........
> 
> US East Coast Agent: Jimmy Moore -
> JMoore6397@...
> 
> West Coast Service Agent:  Paul J Cox -
> pjc56@...
> 


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I just contacted Kean about this and HE says that the
guy spent 1200.00 on tapes, SMS-5, a pre-amp repair
and some adjustment to a very warped keyboard that he
was NOT willing to spend the money on for replacemet.
As for the rest of the money spent; I quote- "The guy
spent 1200 with me and god knows how much with a local
tech before I got my hands on it. He did insist on
driving the instrument up here....so he probably spent
a fair amount on that part alone." 

You know, I am sick to death of being the messanger
here and will not be responsible any longer for
relaying messages. David says that he couldn't care
less WHAT streetly has to say....I don't blame
him...but it's just a shame that he isn't here to
defend these stupid accusations. I strongy suggest
that those who DO care, go to the source and get the
facts. This cheap shit propaganda makes the list so
much less palatable.

Mark.
--- tronbros@... wrote:
> In a message dated 19/2/04 3:28:43 PM GMT Standard
> Time, easle12@... 
> writes:
> 
> 
> > The last version of the sale plainly stated that
> the
> > guy didn't want to pay for straightening/replacing
> > those keys. Can we not abstain a bit from the
> cheap
> > shots?? It's getting pretty tiresome.
> > 
> 
> Hang on.  This guy has thrown $3000 at this machine.
>  The keys should be 
> levelled, the bearings should be changed, the thing
> should be like new including a 
> cabinet respray at this price.  Cheap shots my arse.
>  Shoddy crap more like 
> exposed for all the world to see.  There's another
> example of similar 
> workmanship at an inflated price in the north of
> your fair continent which has just 
> been tweaked effectively for free out of sympathy. 
> Don't tolerate less than 
> excellent EVER.  
> 
> Martin
> Streetly Electronics - all things MELLOTRONIC -
> click this link..........
> 
> US East Coast Agent: Jimmy Moore -
> JMoore6397@...
> 
> West Coast Service Agent:  Paul J Cox -
> pjc56@...
> 


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In a message dated 19/2/04 5:15:39 PM GMT Standard Time, kathnrich@... 
writes:


> SUUUUUUUUUCKKKKK

That's a very long word.  Don't get out of your depth.
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US East Coast Agent: Jimmy Moore - JMoore6397@...

West Coast Service Agent:  Paul J Cox - pjc56@...

In a message dated 19/2/04 4:57:22 PM GMT Standard Time, easle12@... 
writes:


> You know, I am sick to death of being the messanger

Well don't be then.  It's a role you've chosen so unchoose it.  Colin has 
succinctly stated the point at issue and we don't retract a word.  

Martin
Streetly Electronics - all things MELLOTRONIC - click this link..........

US East Coast Agent: Jimmy Moore - JMoore6397@...

West Coast Service Agent:  Paul J Cox - pjc56@...

In a message dated 19/2/04 8:38:26 PM GMT Standard Time, kathnrich@... 
writes:


>      It's not at all. I lowered my level down to you. Usually I deal with 
> much better and smarter business men than you so I don't normaly have to go 
> that low. I do have lower if you so require.
> 

Lack of wit and poor use of english.  Try again.
Streetly Electronics - all things MELLOTRONIC - click this link..........

US East Coast Agent: Jimmy Moore - JMoore6397@...

West Coast Service Agent:  Paul J Cox - pjc56@...

----- Original Message -----

From: TRONBROS@...

To: kathnrich@...

Cc: mellotronists@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] M400

In a message dated 19/2/04 8:38:26 PM GMT Standard Time, kathnrich@goes.com writes:

It's not at all. I lowered my level down to you. Usually I deal with much better and smarter business men than you so I don't normaly have to go that low. I do have lower if you so require.

----- Original Message -----

From: David Davis

To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 4:49 PM

Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] M400

I know about winglips and shit

'Smelltronth - the thlispers' insthrument.

Asth usthed by Quiss Eubankth

From: kathnrich

What do you know about English and wit?

Say What!!!

Now people are calling the Streetly guys "assholes?" Well, I for one will 
tell you that they ARE assholes. But they're my kind of assholes... the kind that 
care about first rate work and staunchly defend it. I have known those 
assholes for many years and they've always been straight up with me. I do a lot of 
work rehabbing 400s. I'll put my work up against anyone's. I will also tell you 
that without Martin's and John's support I would not be able to do the job 
that I do. I also pull money out of their pockets. They've sent me business (and 
continue to do so) when they probably could have kept it for themselves. They 
do so knowing that it would be better and more affordable for the Tron owner. 
So I think that makes them selfless assholes too.

They are working on improving the parts that go into these old beasts so that 
they will last many more years. So that makes them dedicated assholes. More 
than once I have called John Bradley in the middle of the night desperate for 
some insight when in a last minute crunch. He's an accessible asshole, that one.

They don't make very much money believe it or not, and they have poured much 
of what they have made into trying to bring entirely new trons to the market. 
I happen to know that Martin Smith is one frugal asshole.

A few months back I had a conversation with Dave Keane. He's a nice enough 
guy. I've had several conversations with him over the years. In the most recent 
one, he told me that he doesn't really care to be involved with the day to day 
operation of Mellotron Archives: it is mostly in Markus Resch's capable 
hands. Years ago he put a lot of himself into it but that time has passed. I know 
Markus. He is a great guy as well. He has also been very supportive of me and 
was of immense help preparing some of the tapes I needed for Anglagard's 
NEARfest show last year. He also is dedicated and builds a very nice Mark VI.

My suggestion to all is to think! We Tron lovers need all the help we can 
get. Mellotrons were made by John Bradley's father and uncles. Were it not for 
them this list would not exist. There is bad blood between the fellows at 
Streetly and Dave Keane. What is behind it is most likely unknown to most of you on 
this list. Leave them to their feelings and the freedom to express them, 
whether you agree or not. Be grateful that they are here for us. 

The bottom (so to speak) line is that to a substantial degree, these two 
assholes are going to determine the survival of the Mellotron. I have never heard 
one complaint about the quality of their work. I have never heard one 
complaint about the quality of their support.

They may be assholes, but they're really nice assholes. And like their 
Mellotron work, if they decide being assholes serves a purpose, you can be sure that 
they will strive to be the very best assholes that they can be.

Frank Stickle (loyal to the survival of the beloved beast)