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Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-12 by bob_vandiver

Hi, my first post so please be gentle.

A couple of years ago (before I knew about this resource and others) I tried to duplicate 
Tuesday Afternoon using the M-Tron and other instruments (don't ask). Work ground to a 
stop when I tried to add the "oboe" sound. This was the Mellotron line that carried the 
melody of the song, the answer to Justin's singing.

The problem was I could find no M-Tron sound that sounded remotely close to what I hear 
on the record. The closest I could get was I think the sax patch, which makes some sense 
because in headphones there actually is a sax sound in the left channel and the "oboe" 
arises from that general part of the stereo spread. Does anybody know what Mike Pinder 
actually did to get that oboe sound? 

I can say that the M-Tron oboe sounds rather poor fidelity. Mike's sound did not sound 
like the M-Tron does. It sounds like the tape was waundering off the center of the tape 
head with dulling of the sound over the length of the note. The Moody oboe does not do 
this and it has a much more percussive attack.

Anyone?

Thanks,

Bob Vandiver

Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-12 by lsf5275@aol.com

It was MK II bass flugelhorn. Pinder used a special preamp that allowed him  
to manipulate the sound a bit. As I recall, he cut off everything under  8Mhz.
 
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Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-12 by lsf5275@aol.com

Bob.
Step # 1.
 
Toss M-tron in the trash.
 
Step # 2.
 
Ask someone else.
 
I recommend Markus Smith.
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Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-12 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 3/12/2007 3:01:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lsf5275@... writes:
It was MK II bass flugelhorn. Pinder used a special preamp that allowed him to manipulate the sound a bit. As I recall, he cut off everything under 8Mhz.
My bad... It was Mark II half speed flugelhorn.



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Re: Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-12 by David Davis

Hah ha, when I read this first, I thought the answer was "A Yamaha
DX7".... but then I realised we were talking about Tuesday, not
Thursday. :)

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "bob_vandiver"
<bob_vandiver@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, my first post so please be gentle.
> 
> A couple of years ago (before I knew about this resource and others)
I tried to duplicate 
> Tuesday Afternoon using the M-Tron and other instruments (don't
ask). Work ground to a 
> stop when I tried to add the "oboe" sound. This was the Mellotron
line that carried the 
> melody of the song, the answer to Justin's singing.
> 
> The problem was I could find no M-Tron sound that sounded remotely
close to what I hear 
> on the record. The closest I could get was I think the sax patch,
which makes some sense 
> because in headphones there actually is a sax sound in the left
channel and the "oboe" 
> arises from that general part of the stereo spread. Does anybody
know what Mike Pinder 
> actually did to get that oboe sound? 
> 
> I can say that the M-Tron oboe sounds rather poor fidelity. Mike's
sound did not sound 
> like the M-Tron does. It sounds like the tape was waundering off the
center of the tape 
> head with dulling of the sound over the length of the note. The
Moody oboe does not do
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> this and it has a much more percussive attack.
> 
> Anyone?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bob Vandiver
>

Re: Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-12 by charel196

seriously....the sound was a combo of MK2 violins and sax (with maybe a dash of trumpet). 
I don't believe the oboe tapes had been recorded yet when Tuesday Aft. was done. (didn't 
they come out much later for the 400?)
 You can go to mikepinder.com and post the question directly to him on the forums there





--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "bob_vandiver" <bob_vandiver@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, my first post so please be gentle.
> 
> A couple of years ago (before I knew about this resource and others) I tried to duplicate 
> Tuesday Afternoon using the M-Tron and other instruments (don't ask). Work ground to 
a 
> stop when I tried to add the "oboe" sound. This was the Mellotron line that carried the 
> melody of the song, the answer to Justin's singing.
> 
> The problem was I could find no M-Tron sound that sounded remotely close to what I 
hear 
> on the record. The closest I could get was I think the sax patch, which makes some 
sense
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> because in headphones there actually is a sax sound in the left channel and the "oboe" 
> arises from that general part of the stereo spread. Does anybody know what Mike Pinder 
> actually did to get that oboe sound? 
> 
> I can say that the M-Tron oboe sounds rather poor fidelity. Mike's sound did not sound 
> like the M-Tron does. It sounds like the tape was waundering off the center of the tape 
> head with dulling of the sound over the length of the note. The Moody oboe does not do 
> this and it has a much more percussive attack.
> 
> Anyone?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bob Vandiver
>

Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-14 by Rick Blechta

On Mar 12, 2007, at 2:51 AM, bob_vandiver wrote:
Hi, my first post so please be gentle.

A couple of years ago (before I knew about this resource and others) I tried to duplicate
Tuesday Afternoon using the M-Tron and other instruments (don't ask). Work ground to a
stop when I tried to add the "oboe" sound. This was the Mellotron line that carried the
melody of the song, the answer to Justin's singing.

The problem was I could find no M-Tron sound that sounded remotely close to what I hear
on the record. The closest I could get was I think the sax patch, which makes some sense
because in headphones there actually is a sax sound in the left channel and the "oboe"
arises from that general part of the stereo spread. Does anybody know what Mike Pinder
actually did to get that oboe sound?

I can say that the M-Tron oboe sounds rather poor fidelity. Mike's sound did not sound
like the M-Tron does. It sounds like the tape was waundering off the center of the tape
head with dulling of the sound over the length of the note. The Moody oboe does not do
this and it has a much more percussive attack.

Anyone?

Thanks,

Bob Vandiver

Hi Bob,

Welcome!

If memory and ears serves, that's a real oboe played by Mssr. Ray Thomas. There was no mellotron oboe at that point, and in listening to the recording, it sounds to me like the real deal. The percussive sound is "key clack" because he must be squeezing the hell out of the poor thing. The pinched quality of the tone also leads me to that conclusion.

Hope this helps.

Rick

PS Ray plays oboe even worse that he does the flute...

Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-14 by MAinPsych@aol.com

In a message dated 3/13/2007 6:01:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rick@... writes:

If memory and ears serves, that's a real oboe played by Mssr. Ray Thomas.  
There was no mellotron oboe at that point, and in listening to the recording,  
it sounds to me like the real deal. The percussive sound is "key clack"  
because he must be squeezing the hell out of the poor thing. The pinched  quality of 
the tone also leads me to that  conclusion.



 
Sorry, Rick, but I respectfully beg to differ, and I have an  orchestral 
background as well.  You are correct in that there was no Oboe  sound for the MkII 
at that time.  I think it's been long established that  the "other" Tuesday 
Afternoon sound is Tenor Sax (Station 2, Track 3 on Mike's  standard MkII tapes 
(although live recordings show that Mike only played 3  Violins despite 
having identical tapes on both keyboards -- go figure).   Check it out directly if 
you have both sounds in your SFX m/c.  I first  heard this sound alone playing 
Justin Mayer's MkII and was blown away at the  discovery, having originally 
thought that it was something like muted  trumpet.  I later recorded both 
sounds (the TA intro) when I got the Pinder  CD-ROM and THAT was the sound.  You 
can hear that it's the Tenor Sax  sound more prominently in later recordings 
(e.g., alternate takes, the MFSL  disk).  The new Classic Artists Moodies DVD and 
my interview with Tony  Clarke confirm that Ray's exposure to the oboe 
(bleeding lips and all) was not  until ISOTLC, where he dubbed them "the world's 
smallest orchestra".  Mike  also used the Tenor Sax sound on the break in 
"Evening (Time To Get Away)" on  DOFP, and on "Lazy Day" from OTTOAD.
 
Cheers,
Frank
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Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-14 by john barrick

Hi Bob,
I have no orchestral background at all, but I was going to ask where do 
you hear an oboe in Tuesday Afternoon?  It's one of my favorite Moodies 
tracks, but over the years I've never detected an oboe sound in there.  
Roughly how many seconds in does it appear?  There's a part that would 
be natural for oboe at the beginning of the verse after JH sings the 
word TUESDAY and Mike Pinder plays what sounds like C,D,C,Bb,A and then 
the word AFTERNOON which Pinder follows with C, D,C, Bb,G.  If that's 
what you're referring to, it still sounds like Tenor Sax and Three 
violins mixed to me.
curiously yours,
john b



MAinPsych@... wrote:
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> In a message dated 3/13/2007 6:01:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
> rick@... writes:
>
>     If memory and ears serves, that's a real oboe played by Mssr. Ray
>     Thomas. There was no mellotron oboe at that point, and in
>     listening to the recording, it sounds to me like the real deal.
>     The percussive sound is "key clack" because he must be squeezing
>     the hell out of the poor thing. The pinched quality of the tone
>     also leads me to that conclusion.
>
> ** 
> *Sorry, Rick, but I respectfully beg to differ, and I have an 
> orchestral background as well.  You are correct in that there was no 
> Oboe sound for the MkII at that time.  I think it's been long 
> established that the "other" Tuesday Afternoon sound is Tenor Sax 
> (Station 2, Track 3 on Mike's standard MkII tapes (although live 
> recordings show that Mike only played 3 Violins despite having 
> identical tapes on both keyboards -- go figure).  Check it out 
> directly if you have both sounds in your SFX m/c.  I first heard this 
> sound alone playing Justin Mayer's MkII and was blown away at the 
> discovery, having originally thought that it was something like muted 
> trumpet.  I later recorded both sounds (the TA intro) when I got the 
> Pinder CD-ROM and THAT was the sound.  You can hear that it's the 
> Tenor Sax sound more prominently in later recordings (e.g., alternate 
> takes, the MFSL disk).  The new Classic Artists Moodies DVD and my 
> interview with Tony Clarke confirm that Ray's exposure to the oboe 
> (bleeding lips and all) was not until ISOTLC, where he dubbed them 
> "the world's smallest orchestra".  Mike also used the Tenor Sax sound 
> on the break in "Evening (Time To Get Away)" on DOFP, and on "Lazy 
> Day" from OTTOAD.*
> ** 
> *Cheers,*
> *Frank*
>

Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-14 by The Franz Family

Wow, it took me a while to decipher the Moody albums and I'm as big a fan as most any, outside this list, of course. OK, fess up, how many of you are fans of the Mellotron because of the Moodies?
Jeff
PS Guilty as charged!
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In a message dated 3/13/2007 6:01:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rick@rickblechta.com writes:
If memory and ears serves, that's a real oboe played by Mssr. Ray Thomas. There was no mellotron oboe at that point, and in listening to the recording, it sounds to me like the real deal. The percussive sound is "key clack" because he must be squeezing the hell out of the poor thing. The pinched quality of the tone also leads me to that conclusion.
Sorry, Rick, but I respectfully beg to differ, and I have an orchestral background as well. You are correct in that there was no Oboe sound for the MkII at that time. I think it's been long established that the "other" Tuesday Afternoon sound is Tenor Sax (Station 2, Track 3 on Mike's standard MkII tapes (although live recordings show that Mike only played 3 Violins despite having identical tapes on both keyboards -- go figure). Check it out directly if you have both sounds in your SFX m/c. I first heard this sound alone playing Justin Mayer's MkII and was blown away at the discovery, having originally thought that it was something like muted trumpet. I later recorded both sounds (the TA intro) when I got the Pinder CD-ROM and THAT was the sound. You can hear that it's the Tenor Sax sound more prominently in later recordings (e.g., alternate takes, the MFSL disk). The new Classic Artists Moodies DVD and my interview with Tony Clarke confirm that Ray's exposure to the oboe (bleeding lips and all) was not until ISOTLC, where he dubbed them "the world's smallest orchestra". Mike also used the Tenor Sax sound on the break in "Evening (Time To Get Away)" on DOFP, and on "Lazy Day" from OTTOAD.
Cheers,
Frank



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RE: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-14 by David Jacques

In the 60's I had no idea that the Moodies used a Tron. I always thought
that it was an orchestra. 

 

It was when I saw King Crimson in 1969 at the West Palm Beach Rock festival
did I realize what this was all about. It was Crimson who turned me on to
the magic of the Tron..

 

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Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:18 PM
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com; MAinPsych@...
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

 

Wow, it took me a while to decipher the Moody albums and I'm as big a fan as
most any, outside this list, of course.  OK, fess up, how many of you are
fans of the Mellotron because of the Moodies?

 

Jeff

 

PS Guilty as charged!

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Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:20 PM

Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

 

In a message dated 3/13/2007 6:01:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
rick@rickblechta. <mailto:rick@...> com writes:

If memory and ears serves, that's a real oboe played by Mssr. Ray Thomas.
There was no mellotron oboe at that point, and in listening to the
recording, it sounds to me like the real deal. The percussive sound is "key
clack" because he must be squeezing the hell out of the poor thing. The
pinched quality of the tone also leads me to that conclusion.

 

Sorry, Rick, but I respectfully beg to differ, and I have an orchestral
background as well.  You are correct in that there was no Oboe sound for the
MkII at that time.  I think it's been long established that the "other"
Tuesday Afternoon sound is Tenor Sax (Station 2, Track 3 on Mike's standard
MkII tapes (although live recordings show that Mike only played 3 Violins
despite having identical tapes on both keyboards -- go figure).  Check it
out directly if you have both sounds in your SFX m/c.  I first heard this
sound alone playing Justin Mayer's MkII and was blown away at the discovery,
having originally thought that it was something like muted trumpet.  I later
recorded both sounds (the TA intro) when I got the Pinder CD-ROM and THAT
was the sound.  You can hear that it's the Tenor Sax sound more prominently
in later recordings (e.g., alternate takes, the MFSL disk).  The new Classic
Artists Moodies DVD and my interview with Tony Clarke confirm that Ray's
exposure to the oboe (bleeding lips and all) was not until ISOTLC, where he
dubbed them "the world's smallest orchestra".  Mike also used the Tenor Sax
sound on the break in "Evening (Time To Get Away)" on DOFP, and on "Lazy
Day" from OTTOAD.

 

Cheers,

Frank






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Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-14 by Bob Vandiver

> Hi Bob,
> I have no orchestral background at all, but I was going to ask where do
> you hear an oboe in Tuesday Afternoon?  It's one of my favorite Moodies
> tracks, but over the years I've never detected an oboe sound in there.
> Roughly how many seconds in does it appear?  There's a part that would
> be natural for oboe at the beginning of the verse after JH sings the
> word TUESDAY and Mike Pinder plays what sounds like C,D,C,Bb,A and then
> the word AFTERNOON which Pinder follows with C, D,C, Bb,G.  If that's
> what you're referring to, it still sounds like Tenor Sax and Three
> violins mixed to me.
> curiously yours,
> john b


Well, it sounds oboe-esque to me and it is heard pretty much from the start.
Bear in mind that I first heard Tuesday Afternoon when I was in the 5th
grade and the sound as far as I could tell was that of an oboe and that is
the concept that stayed locked in what passes for my brain. I wouldn't learn
about the Mellotron for another seven years.

Anyways, the suggestion that the sound is actually that of a sax makes good
sense, especially as the sound seems to be played a little north of its
natural range.

I want to thank everybody for your replies,

Bob Vandiver

-- 

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asks, that's big government."

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> 
> MAinPsych@... wrote:
>> In a message dated 3/13/2007 6:01:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>> rick@... writes:
>> 
>>     If memory and ears serves, that's a real oboe played by Mssr. Ray
>>     Thomas. There was no mellotron oboe at that point, and in
>>     listening to the recording, it sounds to me like the real deal.
>>     The percussive sound is "key clack" because he must be squeezing
>>     the hell out of the poor thing. The pinched quality of the tone
>>     also leads me to that conclusion.
>> 
>> ** 
>> *Sorry, Rick, but I respectfully beg to differ, and I have an
>> orchestral background as well.  You are correct in that there was no
>> Oboe sound for the MkII at that time.  I think it's been long
>> established that the "other" Tuesday Afternoon sound is Tenor Sax
>> (Station 2, Track 3 on Mike's standard MkII tapes (although live
>> recordings show that Mike only played 3 Violins despite having
>> identical tapes on both keyboards -- go figure).  Check it out
>> directly if you have both sounds in your SFX m/c.  I first heard this
>> sound alone playing Justin Mayer's MkII and was blown away at the
>> discovery, having originally thought that it was something like muted
>> trumpet.  I later recorded both sounds (the TA intro) when I got the
>> Pinder CD-ROM and THAT was the sound.  You can hear that it's the
>> Tenor Sax sound more prominently in later recordings (e.g., alternate
>> takes, the MFSL disk).  The new Classic Artists Moodies DVD and my
>> interview with Tony Clarke confirm that Ray's exposure to the oboe
>> (bleeding lips and all) was not until ISOTLC, where he dubbed them
>> "the world's smallest orchestra".  Mike also used the Tenor Sax sound
>> on the break in "Evening (Time To Get Away)" on DOFP, and on "Lazy
>> Day" from OTTOAD.*
>> ** 
>> *Cheers,*
>> *Frank*
>>

Re: Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-14 by geee_bizzle

Why all the fuss about that song anyway?! There are a MILLION lesser
known pych and prog records that are SMASHING this song to pieces,
straight up. I could fill a book with examples, dont make me!

Am I the only one who thinks Moody Blues were just OK in retrospect?
Or could it be that Pinder is getting bonus points from you guys just
because he had a tron? Imagine if someone like Stevie Wonder was using
a mellotron with T.O.N.T.O. Hmm...

Bazz

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, Bob Vandiver <bob_vandiver@...>
wrote:
>
> > Hi Bob,
> > I have no orchestral background at all, but I was going to ask
where do
> > you hear an oboe in Tuesday Afternoon?  It's one of my favorite
Moodies
> > tracks, but over the years I've never detected an oboe sound in there.
> > Roughly how many seconds in does it appear?  There's a part that would
> > be natural for oboe at the beginning of the verse after JH sings the
> > word TUESDAY and Mike Pinder plays what sounds like C,D,C,Bb,A and
then
> > the word AFTERNOON which Pinder follows with C, D,C, Bb,G.  If that's
> > what you're referring to, it still sounds like Tenor Sax and Three
> > violins mixed to me.
> > curiously yours,
> > john b
> 
> 
> Well, it sounds oboe-esque to me and it is heard pretty much from
the start.
> Bear in mind that I first heard Tuesday Afternoon when I was in the 5th
> grade and the sound as far as I could tell was that of an oboe and
that is
> the concept that stayed locked in what passes for my brain. I
wouldn't learn
> about the Mellotron for another seven years.
> 
> Anyways, the suggestion that the sound is actually that of a sax
makes good
> sense, especially as the sound seems to be played a little north of its
> natural range.
> 
> I want to thank everybody for your replies,
> 
> Bob Vandiver
> 
> -- 
> 
> "Mentioning Jesus in your speech, that's small government. Doing
what Jesus
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> asks, that's big government."
> 
> Stephen Colbert, 6/20/06
> 
> > 
> > MAinPsych@... wrote:
> >> In a message dated 3/13/2007 6:01:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> >> rick@... writes:
> >> 
> >>     If memory and ears serves, that's a real oboe played by Mssr. Ray
> >>     Thomas. There was no mellotron oboe at that point, and in
> >>     listening to the recording, it sounds to me like the real deal.
> >>     The percussive sound is "key clack" because he must be squeezing
> >>     the hell out of the poor thing. The pinched quality of the tone
> >>     also leads me to that conclusion.
> >> 
> >> ** 
> >> *Sorry, Rick, but I respectfully beg to differ, and I have an
> >> orchestral background as well.  You are correct in that there was no
> >> Oboe sound for the MkII at that time.  I think it's been long
> >> established that the "other" Tuesday Afternoon sound is Tenor Sax
> >> (Station 2, Track 3 on Mike's standard MkII tapes (although live
> >> recordings show that Mike only played 3 Violins despite having
> >> identical tapes on both keyboards -- go figure).  Check it out
> >> directly if you have both sounds in your SFX m/c.  I first heard this
> >> sound alone playing Justin Mayer's MkII and was blown away at the
> >> discovery, having originally thought that it was something like muted
> >> trumpet.  I later recorded both sounds (the TA intro) when I got the
> >> Pinder CD-ROM and THAT was the sound.  You can hear that it's the
> >> Tenor Sax sound more prominently in later recordings (e.g., alternate
> >> takes, the MFSL disk).  The new Classic Artists Moodies DVD and my
> >> interview with Tony Clarke confirm that Ray's exposure to the oboe
> >> (bleeding lips and all) was not until ISOTLC, where he dubbed them
> >> "the world's smallest orchestra".  Mike also used the Tenor Sax sound
> >> on the break in "Evening (Time To Get Away)" on DOFP, and on "Lazy
> >> Day" from OTTOAD.*
> >> ** 
> >> *Cheers,*
> >> *Frank*
> >>
>

Re: Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-14 by Doug Berg

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "geee_bizzle" <thisisgb@...> 
wrote:
>
> Why all the fuss about that song anyway?! There are a MILLION lesser
> known pych and prog records that are SMASHING this song to pieces,
> straight up. I could fill a book with examples, dont make me!
> 
> Am I the only one who thinks Moody Blues were just OK in retrospect?
> Or could it be that Pinder is getting bonus points from you guys just
> because he had a tron? Imagine if someone like Stevie Wonder was 
using
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> a mellotron with T.O.N.T.O. Hmm...
> 
> Bazz
> 
> 

> What a shame that youth is wasted on the young!  Doug

Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-14 by fdoddy@aol.com

I have a Slovak background.
 
 
 
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        In a message dated 3/13/2007 6:01:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rick@... writes:  If memory and ears serves, that's a real oboe played by Mssr. Ray Thomas. There was no mellotron oboe at that point, and in listening to the recording, it sounds to me like the real deal. The percussive sound is "key clack" because he must be squeezing the hell out of the poor thing. The pinched quality of the tone also leads me to that conclusion.     Sorry, Rick, but I respectfully beg to differ, and I have an orchestral background as well. You are correct in that there was no Oboe sound for the MkII at that time. I think it's been long established that the "other" Tuesday Afternoon sound is Tenor Sax (Station 2, Track 3 on Mike's standard MkII tapes (although live recordings show that Mike only played 3 Violins despite having identical tapes on both keyboards -- go figure). Check it out directly if you have both sounds in your SFX m/c. I first heard this sound alone playing Justin Mayer's MkII and was blown away at the discovery, having originally thought that it was something like muted trumpet. I later recorded both sounds (the TA intro) when I got the Pinder CD-ROM and THAT was the sound. You can hear that it's the Tenor Sax sound more prominently in later recordings (e.g., alternate takes, the MFSL disk). The new Classic Artists Moodies DVD and my interview with Tony Clarke confirm that Ray's exposure to the oboe (bleeding lips and all) was not until ISOTLC, where he dubbed them "the world's smallest orchestra". Mike also used the Tenor Sax sound on the break in "Evening (Time To Get Away)" on DOFP, and on "Lazy Day" from OTTOAD.   Cheers, Frank 
 
 
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Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-14 by tronbros@aol.com

In a message dated 14/03/2007 13:49:38 GMT Standard Time, fdoddy@...  
writes:

I have  a Slovak background


And I'm standing in front of one showing a rain washed valley in  Norway.  
How many others have personal backgrounds to enhance their stature  and impress 
friends? Mine's on glides but castors would do.
 
M
   
 
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Re: Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-14 by john barrick

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, tronbros@... wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 14/03/2007 13:49:38 GMT Standard Time, fdoddy@...  
> writes:
> 
> I have  a Slovak background
> 
> 
> And I'm standing in front of one showing a rain washed valley in 
Norway.  
> How many others have personal backgrounds to enhance their stature 
and impress 
> friends? Mine's on glides but castors would do.
>  
> M
>    
>  
Martin,
any tips on what I should look out for when attempting to purchase a
background of my own on ebay?  I'm willing to do my own restoration work.

john

Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-14 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 3/14/2007 10:08:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
tronbros@... writes:

 
I  have a Slovak background


And I'm standing in front of one showing a rain washed valley in  Norway.  
How many others have personal backgrounds to enhance their  stature and impress 
friends? Mine's on glides but castors would  do.



I've been to a campground... that's close,  right?
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Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-14 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 3/14/2007 3:14:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, thisisgb@... writes:
Why all the fuss about that song anyway?! There are a MILLION lesser
known pych and prog records that are SMASHING this song to pieces,
straight up. I could fill a book with examples, dont make me!
How about a dozen or so, just so that we know you're not bluffing.



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Re: Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-14 by geee_bizzle

Thats funny, what a shame that mellotrons have been wasted on the
not-so-talented (and that the not-so-soulful listeners cant tell the
difference)


--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Berg" <caddyfam@...> wrote:
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> --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "geee_bizzle" <thisisgb@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Why all the fuss about that song anyway?! There are a MILLION lesser
> > known pych and prog records that are SMASHING this song to pieces,
> > straight up. I could fill a book with examples, dont make me!
> > 
> > Am I the only one who thinks Moody Blues were just OK in retrospect?
> > Or could it be that Pinder is getting bonus points from you guys just
> > because he had a tron? Imagine if someone like Stevie Wonder was 
> using
> > a mellotron with T.O.N.T.O. Hmm...
> > 
> > Bazz
> > 
> > 
> 
> > What a shame that youth is wasted on the young!  Doug
>

Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-15 by Paul Tillotson

Count me as a Mellotron fan in spite of the Moodies. Crimson, Yes, Genesis, Stones, Beatles? You betcha. Moodies? No thank you.
PT M400 #1226
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Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:34 PM
Subject: RE: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

In the 60’s I had no idea that the Moodies used a Tron. I always thought that it was an orchestra.

It was when I saw King Crimson in 1969 at the West Palm Beach Rock festival did I realize what this was all about. It was Crimson who turned me on to the magic of the Tron….

From: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of The Franz Family
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:18 PM
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com; MAinPsych@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

Wow, it took me a while to decipher the Moody albums and I'm as big a fan as most any, outside this list, of course. OK, fess up, how many of you are fans of the Mellotron because of the Moodies?

Jeff

PS Guilty as charged!

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Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:20 PM

Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

In a message dated 3/13/2007 6:01:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rick@rickblechta.com writes:

If memory and ears serves, that's a real oboe played by Mssr. Ray Thomas. There was no mellotron oboe at that point, and in listening to the recording, it sounds to me like the real deal. The percussive sound is "key clack" because he must be squeezing the hell out of the poor thing. The pinched quality of the tone also leads me to that conclusion.

Sorry, Rick, but I respectfully beg to differ, and I have an orchestral background as well. You are correct in that there was no Oboe sound for the MkII at that time. I think it's been long established that the "other" Tuesday Afternoon sound is Tenor Sax (Station 2, Track 3 on Mike's standard MkII tapes (although live recordings show that Mike only played 3 Violins despite having identical tapes on both keyboards -- go figure). Check it out directly if you have both sounds in your SFX m/c. I first heard this sound alone playing Justin Mayer's MkII and was blown away at the discovery, having originally thought that it was something like muted trumpet. I later recorded both sounds (the TA intro) when I got the Pinder CD-ROM and THAT was the sound. You can hear that it's the Tenor Sax sound ;more prominently in later recordings (e.g., alternate takes, the MFSL disk). The new Classic Artists Moodies DVD and my interview with Tony Clarke confirm that Ray's exposure to the oboe (bleeding lips and all) was not until ISOTLC, where he dubbed them "the world's smallest orchestra". Mike also used the Tenor Sax sound on the break in "Evening (Time To Get Away)" on DOFP, and on "Lazy Day" from OTTOAD.

Cheers,

Frank



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Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-15 by Jim & Janet Strauss

""

Jeff

PS Guilty as charged!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Well, ........................if the shoe fits.

I'm in.

Jim

PS: was that Cloned or Clowned?

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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

Count me as a Mellotron fan in spite of the Moodies. Crimson, Yes, Genesis, Stones, Beatles? You betcha. Moodies? No thank you.
PT M400 #1226
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:34 PM
Subject: RE: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

In the 60’s I had no idea that the Moodies used a Tron. I always thought that it was an orchestra.

It was when I saw King Crimson in 1969 at the West Palm Beach Rock festival did I realize what this was all about. It was Crimson who turned me on to the magic of the Tron….

From: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of The Franz Family
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:18 PM
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com; MAinPsych@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

Wow, it took me a while to decipher the Moody albums and I'm as big a fan as most any, outside this list, of course. OK, fess up, how many of you are fans of the Mellotron because of the Moodies?

Jeff

PS Guilty as charged!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:20 PM

Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

In a message dated 3/13/2007 6:01:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rick@rickblechta.com writes:

If memory and ears serves, that's a real oboe played by Mssr. Ray Thomas. There was no mellotron oboe at that point, and in listening to the recording, it sounds to me like the real deal. The percussive sound is "key clack" because he must be squeezing the hell out of the poor thing. The pinched quality of the tone also leads me to that conclusion.

Sorry, Rick, but I respectfully beg to differ, and I have an orchestral background as well. You are correct in that there was no Oboe sound for the MkII at that time. I think it's been long established that the "other" Tuesday Afternoon sound is Tenor Sax (Station 2, Track 3 on Mike's standard MkII tapes (although live recordings show that Mike only played 3 Violins despite having identical tapes on both keyboards -- go figure). Check it out directly if you have both sounds in your SFX m/c. I first heard this sound alone playing Justin Mayer's MkII and was blown away at the discovery, having originally thought that it was something like muted trumpet. I later recorded both sounds (the TA intro) when I got the Pinder CD-ROM and THAT was the sound. You can hear that it's the Tenor Sax sound more prominently in later recordings (e.g., alternate takes, the MFSL disk). The new Classic Artists Moodies DVD and my interview with Tony Clarke confirm that Ray's exposure to the oboe (bleeding lips and all) was not until ISOTLC, where he dubbed them "the world's smallest orchestra". Mike also used the Tenor Sax sound on the break in "Evening (Time To Get Away)" on DOFP, and on "Lazy Day" from OTTOAD.

Cheers,

Frank



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Re: [Mellotronists] Sound used in Tuesday Afternoon was...?

2007-03-15 by john barrick

I'm guilty too.  Love the Moodies - until 1978, at least.  But I hate 
Graham's embarrassing poetry that they forced Mike to recite...  They 
were certainly my first exposure to Mellotron (though I didn't know it 
at the time)

I love King Crimson, too.  And Yes, well, I want to like Yes, but 
Anderson's vocals are kind of a deal breaker for me...otherwise they're 
great musicians.
john b

Jim & Janet Strauss wrote:
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> "<Wow, it took me a while to decipher the Moody albums and I'm as big 
> a fan as most any, outside this list, of course.  OK, fess up, how 
> many of you are fans of the Mellotron because of the Moodies?>"
>
> Jeff
>
> PS Guilty as charged!
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Well, ........................if the shoe fits.
>
> I'm in.
>
> Jim
>
>  
>
> PS: was that Cloned or Clowned?
>

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