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2004-02-27 by Daryl Owen
I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer. I am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results. The toner will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or pressure is used. So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful. Thanks Daryl Owen
2004-02-27 by Phil
If its just for putting down the resist patterns for transfer to copper via heat/pressure, just about any laser printer will work. People have reported good results with various HP LJs and I've had good results with a Canon from work. I'd go for reasonably high resolution, 1200 DPI would be good. Personally, I'd skip the LJIIs and IIIs since they are low res. Another option is to look at used computer places, they often have similar deals as ebay and you can try the printer out right there. One thing to consider is the cost of cartridges - they aint cheap and looking at ebay, they are often more than they cost of the used printer. the more life there is in the one you get, the better the deal. I'm not sure how to tell, though. --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Daryl Owen" <picstuff@m...> wrote:
> I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer. > I am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results. > The toner will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or > pressure is used. > > So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful. > > Thanks > > Daryl Owen
2004-02-27 by Steve
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Daryl Owen" <picstuff@m...> wrote: > I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer. > I am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results. > The toner will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or > pressure is used. I had very poor results with an Okidata 400e. Heck, that printer didn't even adhere the toner to plain paper very well, it was a total bust doing PCB TT. > So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful. Check the Database section of the group. I tried a Lexmark 4029, with mixed results. However, I think the cartridge that was in it was a 3rd party refill so not OEM toner. I do know that before I changed cartridges it had OEM in it and the print on paper was much denser, but never tried it for toner transfer with the OEM cartridge. Wish I had, it died and is now in a landfill. Steve
2004-02-27 by Stefan Trethan
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:46:29 -0000, Daryl Owen <picstuff@...> wrote: > I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer. > I am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results. > The toner will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or > pressure is used. > > So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful. > > Thanks > > Daryl Owen > i agree with what was suggested already. to tell how much toner is left: buy one with a spare cartridge which is still sealed. the older the printer the cheaper the toner. i get them for under eur 10 for my IIID, but as said, the 300DPI are really not very much. the toners for newer printers are expensive at ebay (50% of shop prices) ST
2004-02-27 by Bob & Linda Gardner
I picked up an HP Laset Jet 4 Plus off Ebay and have been satisfied with the results. Bob
> I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer. I > am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results. The toner > will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or pressure is > used. > > So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful. > > Thanks > > Daryl Owen > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your > HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders > $50 or more to the US & Canada. > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/bGYolB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~ > -> > > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Bookmarks and files: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2004-02-27 by Leon Heller
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From: "Daryl Owen" <picstuff@...> To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 4:46 PM Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer. > I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer. > I am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results. > The toner will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or > pressure is used. > > So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful. I don't use TT any more, but my old LaserJet IIIp used to work quite well. Leon -- Leon Heller, G1HSM Email: aqzf13@... My low-cost Philips LPC210x ARM development system: http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller/lpc2104.html
2004-02-27 by Alan King
Daryl Owen wrote: > I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer. > I am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results. > The toner will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or > pressure is used. > > So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful. > > Thanks > > Daryl Owen I've had excellent results for both normal and toner transfer with my HP LaserJet 6L. It's 600 DPI, a few models back so reasonably cheap, and has been a good little printer for the past couple of years for me. They have a multiple sheet feed problem from the vertical architecture and a rubber part wearing out, so you may even get one for a song. HP has a simple user installed fix kit for it, was free not sure if it still is, but even if not it'd only be like $5 or $10. Fixed mine right up, but since I print PCB transfers and normal paper stuff mixed, I rarely stock the paper tray anyway since I don't know what's next, only when I have a few documents to get printed at once. Still, I've gotten TSOP level PCBs out of it, although that's near the limits from other factors so I'm not sure I'd guarantee that on large boards etc. Definitely enough for small prototypes etc TSOP, and certainly normal surface mount on larger boards. TSOP on a large board may be difficult or take notable cleanup, may work perfectly, most lower level TSOP boards end up being small so haven't tried a big one. Near the limits of what you can deal with soldering anyway. If we can get it printing well straight to copper I'll test a large TSOP board, I'd expect it to be very close to perfect without the transfer step. Just my own results, but for sure if mine dies I'll buy another just like it. I still want to find a good vertical square one for the straight paper path for doing a direct to board printer, but unless I find one of those that works perfectly for both plain paper and PCB's I will not be without a 6L. Try and find one where the memory is already up to 9 megs, it helps a lot for graphics printing and the 8 MB expansion card likely costs 1/2 or 1/3 the cost of a used printer. All depends heavily on the exact printer you get though, since of course the condition of the drum is critical for any laser. Best if you can check it out yourself or at least get a good shot of a test page if off Ebay etc. And as the others have said, earlier LJets are good too. But it's nice to have the 600 DPI, and I think the finer toner may be part of why good results seem to be a bit easier for me sometimes. Even though I do the ironing by hand so I'm sure I have a wide variation of pressure I get almost no smashing of the traces etc. Difference between the 5L and 6L cost wise is very low too, get the 6L.. I think the 6P (I think thats the other HP 6 LJ) may be even better, but don't have much direct experience with it. Vertical stack type and different print engine, so be aware it's a very different animal from the 6L even though it may be comparable in quality. Alan
2004-02-28 by nuno-t
Hi, I'm also doing TT with an Oki printer. Is a OKIPAGE 8w lite (600dpi). Very cheap printer with even cheaper toner. The results are astounding with inkjet glossy/mate paper printed on the back side. 8 mil tracks and large areas are not a problem. Best, Nuno T.
-----Original Message----- From: Daryl Owen [mailto:picstuff@...] Sent: sexta-feira, 27 de Fevereiro de 2004 16:46 To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer. I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer. I am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results. The toner will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or pressure is used. So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful. Thanks Daryl Owen --- Outgoing mail is AVG certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 20-02-2004
2004-02-28 by Daryl Owen
Are you using Oki toner or aftermarket toner? Thanks Daryl Owen
-----Original Message----- From: nuno-t [mailto:nuno-t@...] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 4:40 AM To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer. Hi, I'm also doing TT with an Oki printer. Is a OKIPAGE 8w lite (600dpi). Very cheap printer with even cheaper toner. The results are astounding with inkjet glossy/mate paper printed on the back side. 8 mil tracks and large areas are not a problem. Best, Nuno T. -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Owen [mailto:picstuff@...] Sent: sexta-feira, 27 de Fevereiro de 2004 16:46 To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer. I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer. I am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results. The toner will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or pressure is used. So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful. Thanks Daryl Owen --- Outgoing mail is AVG certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 20-02-2004 Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Bookmarks and files: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs Yahoo! Groups Links
2004-02-28 by nuno-t
Original OKI toner (OKI type 6 Toner) Costs about 22Euros here... Makes about 1500 normal pages Nuno T.
-----Original Message----- From: Daryl Owen [mailto:picstuff@...] Sent: s\ufffdbado, 28 de Fevereiro de 2004 15:56 To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer. Are you using Oki toner or aftermarket toner? Thanks Daryl Owen -----Original Message----- From: nuno-t [mailto:nuno-t@...] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 4:40 AM To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer. Hi, I'm also doing TT with an Oki printer. Is a OKIPAGE 8w lite (600dpi). Very cheap printer with even cheaper toner. The results are astounding with inkjet glossy/mate paper printed on the back side. 8 mil tracks and large areas are not a problem. Best, Nuno T. -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Owen [mailto:picstuff@...] Sent: sexta-feira, 27 de Fevereiro de 2004 16:46 To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer. I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer. I am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results. The toner will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or pressure is used. So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful. Thanks Daryl Owen --- Outgoing mail is AVG certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 20-02-2004 Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Bookmarks and files: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs Yahoo! Groups Links Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Bookmarks and files: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs Yahoo! Groups Links --- Outgoing mail is AVG certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 20-02-2004