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What printer to use for Toner Transfer.

What printer to use for Toner Transfer.

2004-02-27 by Daryl Owen

I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer.
I am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results.
The toner will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or
pressure is used.

So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful.

Thanks

Daryl Owen

Re: What printer to use for Toner Transfer.

2004-02-27 by Phil

If its just for putting down the resist patterns for transfer to
copper via heat/pressure, just about any laser printer will work.
People have reported good results with various HP LJs and I've had
good results with a Canon from work. I'd go for reasonably high
resolution, 1200 DPI would be good. Personally, I'd skip the LJIIs
and IIIs since they are low res.

Another option is to look at used computer places, they often have
similar deals as ebay and you can try the printer out right there.

One thing to consider is the cost of cartridges - they aint cheap and
looking at ebay, they are often more than they cost of the used
printer. the more life there is in the one you get, the better the
deal. I'm not sure how to tell, though.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Daryl Owen" <picstuff@m...>
wrote:
> I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer.
> I am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results.
> The toner will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or
> pressure is used.
>
> So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful.
>
> Thanks
>
> Daryl Owen

Re: What printer to use for Toner Transfer.

2004-02-27 by Steve

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Daryl Owen" <picstuff@m...> wrote:
> I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer.
> I am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results.
> The toner will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or
> pressure is used.

I had very poor results with an Okidata 400e. Heck, that printer
didn't even adhere the toner to plain paper very well, it was a total
bust doing PCB TT.

> So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful.

Check the Database section of the group.

I tried a Lexmark 4029, with mixed results. However, I think the
cartridge that was in it was a 3rd party refill so not OEM toner. I do
know that before I changed cartridges it had OEM in it and the print
on paper was much denser, but never tried it for toner transfer with
the OEM cartridge. Wish I had, it died and is now in a landfill.

Steve

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer.

2004-02-27 by Stefan Trethan

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:46:29 -0000, Daryl Owen <picstuff@...>
wrote:

> I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer.
> I am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results.
> The toner will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or
> pressure is used.
>
> So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful.
>
> Thanks
>
> Daryl Owen
>

i agree with what was suggested already.
to tell how much toner is left:
buy one with a spare cartridge which is still sealed.

the older the printer the cheaper the toner. i get them for under eur 10
for my IIID, but as said, the 300DPI are really not very much.
the toners for newer printers are expensive at ebay (50% of shop prices)

ST

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer.

2004-02-27 by Bob & Linda Gardner

I picked up an HP Laset Jet 4 Plus off Ebay and have been satisfied
with the results.

Bob

> I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer. I
> am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results. The toner
> will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or pressure is
> used.
>
> So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful.
>
> Thanks
>
> Daryl Owen
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer.

2004-02-27 by Leon Heller

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daryl Owen" <picstuff@...>
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Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 4:46 PM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer.


> I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer.
> I am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results.
> The toner will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or
> pressure is used.
>
> So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful.

I don't use TT any more, but my old LaserJet IIIp used to work quite well.

Leon
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer.

2004-02-27 by Alan King

Daryl Owen wrote:
> I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer.
> I am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results.
> The toner will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or
> pressure is used.
>
> So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful.
>
> Thanks
>
> Daryl Owen


I've had excellent results for both normal and toner transfer with my HP
LaserJet 6L. It's 600 DPI, a few models back so reasonably cheap, and has been
a good little printer for the past couple of years for me. They have a
multiple sheet feed problem from the vertical architecture and a rubber part
wearing out, so you may even get one for a song. HP has a simple user installed
fix kit for it, was free not sure if it still is, but even if not it'd only be
like $5 or $10. Fixed mine right up, but since I print PCB transfers and normal
paper stuff mixed, I rarely stock the paper tray anyway since I don't know
what's next, only when I have a few documents to get printed at once. Still,
I've gotten TSOP level PCBs out of it, although that's near the limits from
other factors so I'm not sure I'd guarantee that on large boards etc.
Definitely enough for small prototypes etc TSOP, and certainly normal surface
mount on larger boards. TSOP on a large board may be difficult or take notable
cleanup, may work perfectly, most lower level TSOP boards end up being small so
haven't tried a big one. Near the limits of what you can deal with soldering
anyway.

If we can get it printing well straight to copper I'll test a large TSOP
board, I'd expect it to be very close to perfect without the transfer step.

Just my own results, but for sure if mine dies I'll buy another just like it.
I still want to find a good vertical square one for the straight paper path
for doing a direct to board printer, but unless I find one of those that works
perfectly for both plain paper and PCB's I will not be without a 6L. Try and
find one where the memory is already up to 9 megs, it helps a lot for graphics
printing and the 8 MB expansion card likely costs 1/2 or 1/3 the cost of a used
printer.

All depends heavily on the exact printer you get though, since of course the
condition of the drum is critical for any laser. Best if you can check it out
yourself or at least get a good shot of a test page if off Ebay etc. And as the
others have said, earlier LJets are good too. But it's nice to have the 600
DPI, and I think the finer toner may be part of why good results seem to be a
bit easier for me sometimes. Even though I do the ironing by hand so I'm sure I
have a wide variation of pressure I get almost no smashing of the traces etc.
Difference between the 5L and 6L cost wise is very low too, get the 6L..

I think the 6P (I think thats the other HP 6 LJ) may be even better, but
don't have much direct experience with it. Vertical stack type and different
print engine, so be aware it's a very different animal from the 6L even though
it may be comparable in quality.

Alan

RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer.

2004-02-28 by nuno-t

Hi,

I'm also doing TT with an Oki printer. Is a OKIPAGE 8w lite (600dpi).
Very cheap printer with even cheaper toner.
The results are astounding with inkjet glossy/mate paper printed on the back
side. 8 mil tracks and large areas are not a problem.

Best,

Nuno T.

-----Original Message-----
From: Daryl Owen [mailto:picstuff@...]
Sent: sexta-feira, 27 de Fevereiro de 2004 16:46
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer.


I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer.
I am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results.
The toner will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or
pressure is used.

So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful.

Thanks

Daryl Owen

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RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer.

2004-02-28 by Daryl Owen

Are you using Oki toner or aftermarket toner?

Thanks
Daryl Owen

-----Original Message-----
From: nuno-t [mailto:nuno-t@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 4:40 AM
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer.


Hi,

I'm also doing TT with an Oki printer. Is a OKIPAGE 8w lite (600dpi).
Very cheap printer with even cheaper toner.
The results are astounding with inkjet glossy/mate paper printed on the back
side. 8 mil tracks and large areas are not a problem.

Best,

Nuno T.

-----Original Message-----
From: Daryl Owen [mailto:picstuff@...]
Sent: sexta-feira, 27 de Fevereiro de 2004 16:46
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer.


I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer.
I am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results.
The toner will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or
pressure is used.

So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful.

Thanks

Daryl Owen

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RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer.

2004-02-28 by nuno-t

Original OKI toner (OKI type 6 Toner)
Costs about 22Euros here...
Makes about 1500 normal pages

Nuno T.

-----Original Message-----
From: Daryl Owen [mailto:picstuff@...]
Sent: sábado, 28 de Fevereiro de 2004 15:56
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer.


Are you using Oki toner or aftermarket toner?

Thanks
Daryl Owen

-----Original Message-----
From: nuno-t [mailto:nuno-t@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 4:40 AM
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer.


Hi,

I'm also doing TT with an Oki printer. Is a OKIPAGE 8w lite (600dpi).
Very cheap printer with even cheaper toner.
The results are astounding with inkjet glossy/mate paper printed on the back
side. 8 mil tracks and large areas are not a problem.

Best,

Nuno T.

-----Original Message-----
From: Daryl Owen [mailto:picstuff@...]
Sent: sexta-feira, 27 de Fevereiro de 2004 16:46
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] What printer to use for Toner Transfer.


I planning on purchasing a used printer on Ebay for toner transfer.
I am currently using an Okidata 10EX with very poor results.
The toner will not adhere to the PCB regardless of how much heat or
pressure is used.

So any feedback on printers for this application would be useful.

Thanks

Daryl Owen

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